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Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??

TIA,
Puddin'

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A lot depends on the humidity in your area. If it's dry, the roof wet will
help a lot.

Might also want to consider a sprayer to spray cold water on the outdoor AC
(get your AC guy in on the plans). If there is little evaporation, that
might lower the temp of the outdoor unit, and help system that way.

White curtains in the south and side windows to help block out the
"greenhouse effect". White exterior paint. Well, maybe not for brick but....

Wish I was closer, I'd offer to come out and look at the system for you.

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Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??

TIA,
Puddin'

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Why not just fix the leak in the A/C.?


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On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 00:52:48 GMT, "Phil Yarbrough"
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Why not just fix the leak in the A/C.?


1.) It's a Carrier, circa 1984, with long lines
from the A-coil. I tried for years: it don't
fix.
2.) Can't afford the elec. bill. I can run it
a tiny bit, but now way all day/evening.

Puddin'

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On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 23:49:27 GMT, "Stormin Mormon"
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A lot depends on the humidity in your area. If it's dry, the roof wet will
help a lot.
Might also want to consider a sprayer to spray cold water on the outdoor AC
(get your AC guy in on the plans). If there is little evaporation, that
might lower the temp of the outdoor unit, and help system that way.

White curtains in the south and side windows to help block out the
"greenhouse effect". White exterior paint. Well, maybe not for brick but....


The house fries mostly 'cause of the sun on the dark-brown shingles.

Wish I was closer, I'd offer to come out and look at the system for you.


Thanks, but there's not much to it. Just a little brick
bungalow in the sun.

Puddin'

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Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??

TIA,
Puddin'

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In some cases spraying water on your a/c will benefit performance
however it can cause the system to over condense resulting in low head
pressure causing evaporator to frost over doing more harm than good.



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Shut off power supply to condenser and try washing out coil carefully
not to bend coil fins

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Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


Lack of a hose or sprinkler? Can you shade the condenser? How about a fine
mist on the condenser to remove more heat from the condenser? Do you have a
basement? One tirck I use is to put the fan in the "ON" position and I also
have cold air returns in the basement. This helps bring the cool basement
air upstairs. If you're outa work, how about spending the day at Walmart?

TIA,
Puddin'

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On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:34:39 -0500, "Mike Dobony"
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Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


Lack of a hose or sprinkler?


More like I haven't figgered how to mount sprinklers/hose
on the roof.

Can you shade the condenser? How about a fine
mist on the condenser to remove more heat from the condenser?


Wouldn't hep' that much. Can't afford to run the AC much ...

Do you have a
basement?


Si, senor.

One tirck I use is to put the fan in the "ON" position and I also
have cold air returns in the basement. This helps bring the cool basement
air upstairs.


Interesting. I don't have any returns in the bsmt, but I
'spose I could cut some.

If you're outa work, how about spending the day at Walmart?


Tell the truth: are those folks human?? :-)

Seriously, I'm pushing 60 and have some physical problems.
Can no way stay on my feet all day.

Puddin'

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Puddin' Man wrote:
Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


It don't cost nothin' to try...




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It will work just fine, spray the roof till they come and install a meter!
With fine thinking like that, Bush is gonna come knockin at your door when
Greenspan retires but you'll be watchin stolen cable tv or too drunk to
answer the door and accept the appointment.
I love the comment about spending the day at wallmart but he prob already
does, as an employee get paid next to nothing in sinking american dollars.
This guys represents all that is great about americans! Lazy, broke,
cunning. Anyone want to ad to the list?

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Puddin' Man wrote:
Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


It don't cost nothin' to try...




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"ConcreteFinishing&StuccoGuy" wrote in
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It will work just fine, spray the roof till they come and install a meter!
With fine thinking like that, Bush is gonna come knockin at your door when
Greenspan retires but you'll be watchin stolen cable tv or too drunk to
answer the door and accept the appointment.
I love the comment about spending the day at wallmart but he prob already
does, as an employee get paid next to nothing in sinking american dollars.
This guys represents all that is great about americans! Lazy, broke,
cunning. Anyone want to ad to the list?


How about too generous at allowing foreigners into our country to share our
horrible life.



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This guys represents all that is great about americans! Lazy, broke,
cunning. Anyone want to ad to the list?


He kinda sounds like those fine Canadian Indians I see when I'm up in
Ontario fishing....only they're too drunk all the time to be cunning.


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He kinda sounds like those fine Canadian Indians I see when I'm up in
Ontario fishing....only they're too drunk all the time to be cunning.

You mean we let you in to Canada? After all those things being said about
'furriners' and 'illegal migrants'. I guess we must like you spending those
strong (i.e. expensive) US dollars. Fishing must be better up here?

However; springing to the defence of any/all Canadians, since we ARE a
multicultural/multi-ethic country; that comment could be construed as
racist; on two counts.

At very least iyt is not nice and stereotypes a whole group.

It does not belong on this 'Home repair group' any more than a Canadian
commenting, here, on say Iraq or Viet Nam. There other more suitable forums
for that.

Unfortunately we are, on occasion, being told how to think by our more
numerous cousins in that smaller country to our south! No; not Mexico,
amigo. How would Americans like it if other nations used an expression such
as, "Those know it all Yanks"?

With the present air of protectionism and being in a state of siege within
the borders of the USA we understand that you must make sure you have your
American passport to get back into the "Good O'l US of A"?

Warm regards: Northern neighbour.

PS. If your friends can't make a comment who can? No ill will intended.



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Bishoop wrote:
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This guys represents all that is great about americans! Lazy, broke,
cunning. Anyone want to ad to the list?


He kinda sounds like those fine Canadian Indians I see when I'm up in
Ontario fishing....only they're too drunk all the time to be cunning.


you **** head



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you might try finding insulating materials to stuff in your attic ( any
excess could be stuffed up Raid's "grand canyon". Also you might
attack a pinhole orafice ( trying different sizes till you get good
cooling with a minium af water ) to a hose and put it on the suction
side of a fan, it takes alot of heat energy to change liquid water to
gaseous water, much more than you might think. Or you might use a
wetted cloth, but it would reduce airflow and might be hard to keep
properly wetted. There are commercial units like for industrial spaces
that that make great claims. good luck

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Puddin' Man writes:

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


Physics.
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In article , Richard J Kinch wrote:
Puddin' Man writes:

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


Physics.


I guess evaporative cooling doesn't work on your planet.

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Doug Miller writes:

I guess ...


Begone, inimical troll.
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It would be easier for you to live in your basement during the summer.



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"Puddin' Man" wrote in message
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Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??



Couple thoughts: Why bother cooling off the whole house when the only thing
that really needs cooling is _you_? With that in mind, leave the cold water
running in the shower and stay in there during the hottest part of the day.

Or - a looping configuration of copper pipes encircling the La-Z-Boy with
constant cool water circulation?

Just brainstorming here.


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Couple thoughts: Why bother cooling off the whole house when the only thing
that really needs cooling is _you_? With that in mind, leave the cold water
running in the shower and stay in there during the hottest part of the day.


Or - a looping configuration of copper pipes encircling the La-Z-Boy with
constant cool water circulation?



Just brainstorming here.


Why not combine these two ideas? Strap the wookie
(http://www.passedoutwookies.com/) down in his la z boy, and connect
one copper tube to his neck, another one at his foot. Route the one
coming out his foot to a floor drain, and the one going in his neck to
the water supply; turn water on.

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"Matt" wrote in message
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Couple thoughts: Why bother cooling off the whole house when the only

thing
that really needs cooling is _you_? With that in mind, leave the cold

water
running in the shower and stay in there during the hottest part of the

day.

Or - a looping configuration of copper pipes encircling the La-Z-Boy with
constant cool water circulation?



Just brainstorming here.


Why not combine these two ideas? Strap the wookie
(http://www.passedoutwookies.com/) down in his la z boy, and connect
one copper tube to his neck, another one at his foot. Route the one
coming out his foot to a floor drain, and the one going in his neck to
the water supply; turn water on.


Actually, just coiling the copper pipe around Puddin's neck - much like the
rings worn by certain African tribeswomen- would probably keep him cool.
Fitting the copper to a lengthy flexible hose would also allow him the
mobility to leave his La-Z-Boy to make sandwiches and such.

Drainage may be problematic, though.


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Puddin' Man wrote:
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What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


Nothing, but don't expect much.

It's a strong function of the temperature of your
water coming out of the hose, which is probably a
bit under 70F if your lucky. But it will take ALOT
of water, and flowing pretty quickly. It will
also tend to cool the peak of the roof the most.
It's also hard as heck on the shingles. Do you
have any roof ventilation? That's gonna help
the most.

Planting grass up there would probably do more,
but the roof probably can't take the weight.

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Puddin' Man wrote:
Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

[snip]
What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


Nothing, but don't expect much.

It's a strong function of the temperature of your
water coming out of the hose, which is probably a
bit under 70F if your lucky. But it will take ALOT
of water, and flowing pretty quickly. It will
also tend to cool the peak of the roof the most.
It's also hard as heck on the shingles. Do you
have any roof ventilation? That's gonna help
the most.


Yeah, there's an exhaust fan up there ...

I dunno anybody understands. On a clear 90+ degree
day, the shingles get more-or-less too hot to touch.
I can direct the garden hose on 'em and the steam
just rolls off ...

I think it's the extreme heat that fries the shingles
(dries 'em out, curls 'em, etc). Will assume that they'd
last longer 'till I have evidence to the contrary.

Still haven't figgered how to rig a cheap system.
Can't be too obvious or expensive: water dept. may
well shut me down.

Puddin'

Planting grass up there would probably do more,
but the roof probably can't take the weight.



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Plant trees around the house. In 10 years from now when you go insane
from the heat the house will have lots of shade.

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"Puddin' Man" wrote in message
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Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??

Here in Florida your roof would be covered with an ugly thick coat of gunky,
slippery green slime (mildew? algae?) in about a month.

JustDave


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Puddin' Man wrote:
Insane House Cool-Down Scheme

'allo,

I belong to little brick bungalow in a midwest city,
built in 1954. Shingled roof.

It gets hot as hell here in the summertime (it's already
here). Sun pounds down on little house unmercifully.

Outa work for years, I gotta budget so tight it makes
the proverbial cat's arse ('scuse my French) look
like the Grand Canyon.

I just put my last 3 lbs of R-22 in my 21-year-old
condensing unit (which is about to roll over and die
a horrible, horrible death).

They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??

TIA,
Puddin'

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They don't meter the water supply here.

What (aside from sanity, which I do not possess) would
keep po' me from somehow mounting a sprinkler or 2
on the roof, running them with a garden hose, say,
from 11 AM to 7 PM (to cool the house, which retains
heat like crazy)??


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Well can you get an old automobile radiator? If the water is
cool enough you can run hoses to the radiator, (inlet at the
bottom, outlet at the top)run water through it and put a
fan behind it to recirculate the air in the room through the
radiator cooling it.

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I folllow your argument. But to use colder water from the house
supply to circulate through the car radiator gizmo where will this
water go to? Certainly potable water is too precious to let it run to
waste or even to over water the lawn. A simpler and more effective
patch would be to put a block of ice infront of the fan.


OP claimed that his water was not metered, and there's apparently
enough of it so that he was considering dumping it on his roof,
to cool that off. (which he could still do, actually...)

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if a vortex-tube
will work on water, or does it only work on gasses?




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PaPaPeng wrote:
On 18 Jun 2005 15:19:31 -0700, wrote:

I don't know where you live but nowhere that I ever lived had
cold tapwater that was 90 degrees F. You do understand he
would only be recirculating the air, not the water, right?



I folllow your argument. But to use colder water from the house
supply to circulate through the car radiator gizmo where will this
water go to? Certainly potable water is too precious to let it run to
waste or even to over water the lawn. A simpler and more effective
patch would be to put a block of ice infront of the fan.


It's not simpler if you include the process of making the ice.

As he said, the water is free.

Just how expensive and precisou potable water is depends on location.
My water comes from the Potomac River upstream from Washington DC
and the effluent goes to the Pautuxent river. Both flow into the
Chesapeak Bay. So if I were to do this, the net effect on the Bay
would be zilch. Since my water does not come from a resevoir,
I would not be depleting any resources either. Most people in the
US water their law with potable water. Most building codes don't
allow any BUT potable water to enter a house though some will use
grey water (like bathwater) to water their lawns and gardens.

If his city doesn't even charge for potable water then there is a
good chance that potable water is plentiful locally.

Also consider that the flowrate would be small because the specific
heat of water is much higher than air. A trickly would suffice.

Heck, he could trickle it over his roof, as he first suggested, a
double whammy but it would not be enough to keep his whole roof wet.

BTW, a 'soaker hose' laid along the ridge line would probably be
able to wet the roof evenly.

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