Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We do
get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows on
three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their window
technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I want
to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient windows
- wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding is
either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum guy
says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and joined
aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl because it
doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl guys say that
the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the paint on the
aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC. So
we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect, etc -
with some real experience with more than one type of window who can tell
me the real life pros and cons of the different types of windows for
sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

USENET READER wrote:

Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We do
get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows on
three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their window
technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I want
to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient windows
- wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding is
either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum guy
says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and joined
aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl because it
doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl guys say that
the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the paint on the
aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC. So
we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect, etc -
with some real experience with more than one type of window who can tell
me the real life pros and cons of the different types of windows for
sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.


Don't get the baked-on enamel covering. It does look good, but if a
contractor drops a hammer on the window sill while installing it and
cracks the covering, the window is done for. A neighbor of mine learned
this the hard way.

I had my windows replaced a year ago. Went with Aluminum-clad Pellas,
mainly because we wanted the integral blinds and rollup screens and they
were the only decent manufacturer offering what we wanted. There may be
more competition now. I highly recommend Windows, Doors, and More, in
Chapel Hill. They really did an excellent job. They are so good that
there is a several month wait for their services, but it's worth it IMO.

xyzzy wrote:

USENET READER wrote:

Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We
do get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows
on three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their
window technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I
want to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient
windows - wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the
outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding
is either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum
guy says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and
joined aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl
because it doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl
guys say that the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the
paint on the aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC.
So we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect,
etc - with some real experience with more than one type of window who
can tell me the real life pros and cons of the different types of
windows for sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.


Don't get the baked-on enamel covering. It does look good, but if a
contractor drops a hammer on the window sill while installing it and
cracks the covering, the window is done for. A neighbor of mine learned
this the hard way.

is that enamel baked onto aluminum, vinyl or plastic?

I had my windows replaced a year ago. Went with Aluminum-clad Pellas,
mainly because we wanted the integral blinds and rollup screens and they
were the only decent manufacturer offering what we wanted. There may be
more competition now. I highly recommend Windows, Doors, and More, in
Chapel Hill. They really did an excellent job. They are so good that
there is a several month wait for their services, but it's worth it IMO.

I am looking to buy the windows and install them myself, so I don't need
to wait on the installation.

I don't need the fancy screens and blinds - I simply want to know which
finish will weather the best around here - you know what sort of exremes
we have.

"xyzzy" wrote in message
...
USENET READER wrote:

I had my windows replaced a year ago. Went with Aluminum-clad Pellas,
mainly because we wanted the integral blinds and rollup screens and they
were the only decent manufacturer offering what we wanted

I also went with the Pella product. After doing the research my two
finalists were Andersen and Pella. Bought Pellas and don't have any regrets.

--
Morris Dovey
DeSoto Solar
DeSoto, Iowa USA
www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html

In article . net,
USENET READER wrote:



I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their window
technology was better than the other guys.

When at the show, did you preface your request with the same: " Looking
for recommendations/actual experiences with new windows - please no
stupid questions!" line as you did here?

or did you use this little heart-warmer?

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

I was going to tell you that Fine Home Building did a recent comparison
and what the results were.... but that tone of yours... YOU go find the
issue and the results, okay?

*shaking my head in disbelief*

On Mon, 02 May 2005 15:38:31 -0400, Robatoy
wrote:

In article . net,
USENET READER wrote:



I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their window
technology was better than the other guys.

When at the show, did you preface your request with the same: " Looking
for recommendations/actual experiences with new windows - please no
stupid questions!" line as you did here?

or did you use this little heart-warmer?

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

I was going to tell you that Fine Home Building did a recent comparison
and what the results were.... but that tone of yours... YOU go find the
issue and the results, okay?

*shaking my head in disbelief*

Yep. What a putz ....


Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

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'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

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Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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USENET READER wrote:
Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We
do get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows
on three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the
windows.
I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their
window technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I
want to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient
windows - wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the
outside.
The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding
is either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum
guy says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and
joined aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl
because it doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl
guys say that the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the
paint on the aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC. So we
are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect,
etc - with some real experience with more than one type of window who
can tell me the real life pros and cons of the different types of
windows for sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

The simple answer is not that simple. There are many good designs of
windows. What is best is generally the best designed and made, not any one
specific type of materials. The installation is also a very important part
of the whole.

I suggest you start asking questions closer to home. Get a list of past
customers, both recent and some who have had their windows for five or more
years. Then go out and talk to the customers, don't on testimonials. Best
yet is to check with your friends and neighbors who may have had windows
installed.

Information here may be good, but someone here who had a good experience
with XYZ windows is good, but your XYZ distributor could be the pits and you
will get windows improperly installed and never be happy with them.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

It's so nice to know that there are rods on the net as well as in real
life.

Opening like that I'm sure the contractors were thrilled to death to
deal with ya. ;-)

My daddy always said something about more Bee's with honey.........

On Mon, 02 May 2005 18:52:57 GMT, USENET READER
wrote:

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

You mean like this, moron ?


Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

Consumer reports has a good article, find it. For sun-heat there is SHG
to consider Solar Heat Gain. Windows have different ratings for this and
other ratings Shg Vlt, R value, you need to learn about them. Hurd has
a line for low solar heat gain which may be better than Anderson or
Pella, which I have.

PJM - you already ruined hvac group. Please keep you fingers away from this
newsgroup. What, line 'ruined alt.hvac newsgroup' on you resume is not
enough for you?

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 02 May 2005 18:52:57 GMT, USENET READER
wrote:

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

You mean like this, moron ?


Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's
http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

You should get glass windows (the more panes the better), with either aluminum, vinyl or other plastic coverings over
wood. The aluminum is better than the vinyl, or the other way around (I can't remember). Go with either white or
off-white, with internal shades and screens if you want them. If you don't want shades and screens, get the windows
that don't have them. I'd look for something that needs minimal maintenance. Your best bet would be to talk to an
architect, building contractor, etc. I'd also suggest you don't use that same condescending, arrogant, demanding tone
that you used here.
Hope this helps.

USENET READER wrote:
Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We do
get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows on
three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their window
technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I want
to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient windows
- wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding is
either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum guy
says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and joined
aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl because it
doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl guys say that
the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the paint on the
aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC. So
we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect, etc -
with some real experience with more than one type of window who can tell
me the real life pros and cons of the different types of windows for
sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

enjoying your answers so far?

randy

It used to be called "ugly-Americanism"- that sort of me-first/only
attitude. Especially a non-starter on demanding freebies.

TTFN

Robatoy wrote:
In article . net,
USENET READER wrote:



I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their window
technology was better than the other guys.


When at the show, did you preface your request with the same: " Looking
for recommendations/actual experiences with new windows - please no
stupid questions!" line as you did here?

No dickhead - I asked them about their windows

or did you use this little heart-warmer?

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!


I was going to tell you that Fine Home Building did a recent comparison
and what the results were.... but that tone of yours... YOU go find the
issue and the results, okay?

*shaking my head in disbelief*

Sorry - I get so many shut-ins who ask me stupid questions, like do I
want screens on my windows - that I had to qualify my posting with that
- I wish you would have kept your stupid comments to yourself - but
you must like seeing your postings on line.

bremen68 wrote:

It's so nice to know that there are rods on the net as well as in real
life.

Opening like that I'm sure the contractors were thrilled to death to
deal with ya. ;-)

My daddy always said something about more Bee's with honey.........


Yes - I like to be polite too, but when there are too many dingleberries
out there who can't answer a simple direct question - like "does the
truck you are selling have air conditioning?", I have to qualify my
questions and if the dingleberries chose to take offense, then this will
waste less of my time.

wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 18:52:57 GMT, USENET READER
wrote:


Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!


You mean like this, moron ?

Yes - exactly like what you did, you ****ing asshole - you fit the bill
for BS comments. What is it like being a shut-in with no life?



Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/

wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 18:52:57 GMT, USENET READER
wrote:

.


Looking for recommendations/actual experiences with new windows


I guess I qualify -- I'm a renovations contractor.



- please no stupid questions!
Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!


Oops. Guess you don't qualify.

Ken

You do qualify as a shut-in who has no valuable comments to make, just
BS to post.

Bite me loser asshole - do you have any idea how many times I have
posted questions and the only responses I get are stupid off-topic
comments that have nothing to do with the original question - like your
posting today?



Jonah wrote:

You should get glass windows (the more panes the better), with either
aluminum, vinyl or other plastic coverings over wood. The aluminum is
better than the vinyl, or the other way around (I can't remember). Go
with either white or off-white, with internal shades and screens if you
want them. If you don't want shades and screens, get the windows that
don't have them. I'd look for something that needs minimal
maintenance. Your best bet would be to talk to an architect, building
contractor, etc. I'd also suggest you don't use that same
condescending, arrogant, demanding tone that you used here.
Hope this helps.

USENET READER wrote:

Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We
do get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows
on three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their
window technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I
want to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient
windows - wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the
outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding
is either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum
guy says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and
joined aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl
because it doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl
guys say that the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the
paint on the aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC.
So we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect,
etc - with some real experience with more than one type of window who
can tell me the real life pros and cons of the different types of
windows for sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

In article . net,
USENET READER wrote:

You are pretty mouthy for a guy who needs help from dickheads, eh?

Oh, and while you're at it, go **** yourself.

PLONK

"USENET READER" wrote in message
ink.net...


wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 18:52:57 GMT, USENET READER
wrote:

.


Looking for recommendations/actual experiences with new windows


I guess I qualify -- I'm a renovations contractor.



- please no stupid questions!
Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the question.
Please respond through the group. Thanks!


Oops. Guess you don't qualify.

Ken

You do qualify as a shut-in who has no valuable comments to make, just BS
to post.

I do not want to get involved in any kind of flamewar.

But if you want sincere answers, you will do a lot better than to offend
other people. I have to deal with people all the time who are rude to me
because they are "being careful". Which is retarded. How does ****ing
people off help you with your personal safety?

It is like the new mother who drives everywhere at half the speed that
everybody else drives. Supposedly because she is "being careful" And
exposing her newborn to much more danger than if she just drove normally.

The type of question that you asked does get discussed here from time to
time. Many people are happy to respond to such practical and reasonable
questions. And generally folks don't get riled up. Unless you accuse us of
being assholes. Which riles up folks big time. Every time. Without fail.

Congratulations. You not only ****ed a lot of folks off, but many who have
something to contribute are staying away. They don't need the aggravation.

In article . net,
USENET READER wrote:

is that enamel baked onto aluminum, vinyl or plastic?

He is as stupid as he is arrogant.

LOL..Then the ****wit calls people shut-ins while his time-line of
replies clearly indicates he hasn't been away from his computer all
day.... looooooserrrr.

I find it hard to believe he would even have the money for windows....

I bought and installed myself Pella's ProLine aluminum-clad double-hung wood
windows. They are about 5 years old now. I am pleased with them but if I
ever remodel another house I would probably consider vinyl windows that
don't have to be painted. I bought my windows from the Pella store in Cary
but I think they can also be ordered through Home Depot.


"USENET READER" wrote in message
ink.net...
Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

"USENET READER" wrote
Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We do
get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows on
three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their window
technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I want
to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient windows
- wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding is
either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum guy
says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and joined
aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl because it
doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl guys say that
the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the paint on the
aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC. So
we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect, etc -
with some real experience with more than one type of window who can tell
me the real life pros and cons of the different types of windows for
sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

What's the question? Are you looking for an architect to consult you, or?
I didn't see one "?"

Robatoy wrote:

In article . net,
USENET READER wrote:

is that enamel baked onto aluminum, vinyl or plastic?

He is as stupid as he is arrogant.

LOL..Then the ****wit calls people shut-ins while his time-line of
replies clearly indicates he hasn't been away from his computer all
day.... looooooserrrr.

I find it hard to believe he would even have the money for windows....

Sure he does... *Microsoft* Windows.

"USENET READER" wrote in message
The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other molded
plastic coverings over a wooden window.

Yep.


So we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect,
etc - with some real experience with more than one type of window who can
tell me the real life pros and cons of the different types of windows for
sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the question.
Please respond through the group. Thanks!

I've had my own window and door business so I'm qualified to give you a good
answer. Sold and installed most every type at one time or another. OTOH, I
don't like people telling me what I can and cannot say so I'm not going to
waste my time with an arrogant putz like you.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

Will you be needing screens, too?

rusty redcloud

Do you need them to open, too?

"Jonah" wrote in message
...
You should get glass windows (the more panes the better), with either
aluminum, vinyl or other plastic coverings over wood. The aluminum is
better than the vinyl, or the other way around (I can't remember). Go
with either white or off-white, with internal shades and screens if you
want them. If you don't want shades and screens, get the windows that
don't have them. I'd look for something that needs minimal maintenance.
Your best bet would be to talk to an architect, building contractor, etc.
I'd also suggest you don't use that same condescending, arrogant,
demanding tone that you used here.
Hope this helps.


I just pee'd.

Do you want these windows wired for 110 or 220?

"Jonah" wrote in message
...
You should get glass windows (the more panes the better), with either
aluminum, vinyl or other plastic coverings over wood. The aluminum is
better than the vinyl, or the other way around (I can't remember). Go
with either white or off-white, with internal shades and screens if you
want them. If you don't want shades and screens, get the windows that
don't have them. I'd look for something that needs minimal maintenance.
Your best bet would be to talk to an architect, building contractor, etc.
I'd also suggest you don't use that same condescending, arrogant,
demanding tone that you used here.
Hope this helps.

I just pee'd.

"USENET READER" wrote in message
ink.net...
Bite me loser asshole - do you have any idea how many times I have
posted questions and the only responses I get are stupid off-topic
comments that have nothing to do with the original question - like your
posting today?



Perfect example of someone that needs there Paxil medication changed...up
the dosage

Plonk

Tina


Jonah wrote:

You should get glass windows (the more panes the better), with either
aluminum, vinyl or other plastic coverings over wood. The aluminum is
better than the vinyl, or the other way around (I can't remember). Go
with either white or off-white, with internal shades and screens if you
want them. If you don't want shades and screens, get the windows that
don't have them. I'd look for something that needs minimal
maintenance. Your best bet would be to talk to an architect, building
contractor, etc. I'd also suggest you don't use that same
condescending, arrogant, demanding tone that you used here.
Hope this helps.

USENET READER wrote:

Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We
do get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows
on three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the
windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their
window technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I
want to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient
windows - wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the
outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding
is either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum
guy says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and
joined aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl
because it doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl
guys say that the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the
paint on the aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC.
So we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect,
etc - with some real experience with more than one type of window who
can tell me the real life pros and cons of the different types of
windows for sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

Joseph Meehan wrote:
USENET READER wrote:
Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some
new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina.
We
do get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the
windows
on three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new
shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up
Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the
windows.
I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their
window technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I
want to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy
efficient
windows - wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on
the
outside.
The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum
cladding
is either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One
aluminum
guy says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and
joined aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl
because it doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl
guys say that the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the
paint on the aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in
NC. So we
are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect,
etc - with some real experience with more than one type of window
who
can tell me the real life pros and cons of the different types of
windows for sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

The simple answer is not that simple. There are many good
designs of
windows. What is best is generally the best designed and made, not
any one
specific type of materials. The installation is also a very
important part
of the whole.

I suggest you start asking questions closer to home. Get a list
of past
customers, both recent and some who have had their windows for five
or more
years. Then go out and talk to the customers, don't on testimonials.
Best
yet is to check with your friends and neighbors who may have had
windows
installed.

Information here may be good, but someone here who had a good
experience
with XYZ windows is good, but your XYZ distributor could be the pits
and you
will get windows improperly installed and never be happy with them.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

I agree with Mr. Meehan there is no simple answer as to one is the best
of all. Many have features and merits worth considering. I have Hurd
and some Marvin windows mixed both have lasted me over 20 years without
a single problem. I have Anderson patio doors and bay windows which are
5 years old and cannot regeret installling. Certainly Anderson and
Pella you can't go wrong, both are excellent quality and are warrantee
remain the best. For your area definately tinted double pane type are a
must then just look at features and quality. As I said if you cannot
decide on which default to Anderson or Pella you cannot go wrong but at
least consider others for price and features you may want.

On Mon, 02 May 2005 22:32:05 GMT, USENET READER
wrote:



bremen68 wrote:

It's so nice to know that there are rods on the net as well as in real
life.

Opening like that I'm sure the contractors were thrilled to death to
deal with ya. ;-)

My daddy always said something about more Bee's with honey.........


Yes - I like to be polite too, but when there are too many dingleberries
out there who can't answer a simple direct question - like "does the
truck you are selling have air conditioning?", I have to qualify my
questions and if the dingleberries chose to take offense, then this will
waste less of my time.

Sorry to interrupt the flamefest with an actual answer. This response
may not qualify anyway, because I think you said you want to install
them yourself, but here goes!

When I moved into my current home in October 2000, the windows were
single pane glass that did little to insulate. I started shopping for
new windows and settled on Window World, although the Aluminum Company
of NC came in a very close second. WW had the bast price
($300/window); as far as quality they all seemed equivalent. The
difference in insulating capacity was incredible (they're double
paned, argon filled), and easily made up the $60/mo. that the CP&L
energy loan costs. They are easy to clean, and I've had no problem
with them.

In article 1115091707.93d5950b9aa86a90e3beb51ced7babb8@teran ews,
"Mark Cooper" wrote:

Do you want these windows wired for 110 or 220?

you bad! g

I wanted to only see responses that were on topic - I included the
qualifier that I didn't want to read the off-topic crap that didn't
address the quesions.

Notice that I was asking which windows are the most durable and
maintenence-free, and someone came back and asked me whether or not I
want screens included. You would think that would be a good question,
but every single window manufcturer makes screens for their windows, so
how would screens factor into the maintenence issues? Therefore, that
is an example of the type of stupid, off-topic post that I sought to
avoid.

Lee Michaels wrote:

"USENET READER" wrote in message
ink.net...


wrote:


On Mon, 02 May 2005 18:52:57 GMT, USENET READER
wrote:

.



Looking for recommendations/actual experiences with new windows


I guess I qualify -- I'm a renovations contractor.




- please no stupid questions!
Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the question.
Please respond through the group. Thanks!


Oops. Guess you don't qualify.

Ken

You do qualify as a shut-in who has no valuable comments to make, just BS
to post.


I do not want to get involved in any kind of flamewar.

But if you want sincere answers, you will do a lot better than to offend
other people. I have to deal with people all the time who are rude to me
because they are "being careful". Which is retarded. How does ****ing
people off help you with your personal safety?

Why should I worry about offending people who have nothing of value to
offer me?

It is like the new mother who drives everywhere at half the speed that
everybody else drives. Supposedly because she is "being careful" And
exposing her newborn to much more danger than if she just drove normally.

The type of question that you asked does get discussed here from time to
time. Many people are happy to respond to such practical and reasonable
questions. And generally folks don't get riled up. Unless you accuse us of
being assholes. Which riles up folks big time. Every time. Without fail.

NO - the only people who should get riled up by my comments about not
wanting any stupid repsonses are the people who only make stupid
resonses in the first place. People who can't stay on topic, people who
like to weigh in on a subject they have no real information about, they
just like to hear themselves talk or like to see their posts on line.

Congratulations. You not only ****ed a lot of folks off, but many who have
something to contribute are staying away. They don't need the aggravation.

I doubt that - when I put up a posting asking a real question without
the dingleberry disqualifier, I don't get any more real answers to my
question - I just get fewer assholes who post off-topic comments.

Which sort of proved my point - and gave me a new source of e-mail addys
to add to my kill file - entitled "useless usenet assholes who have
nothing of substance to contribute"

Tina wrote:

"USENET READER" wrote in message
ink.net...

Bite me loser asshole - do you have any idea how many times I have
posted questions and the only responses I get are stupid off-topic
comments that have nothing to do with the original question - like your
posting today?




Perfect example of someone that needs there Paxil medication changed...up
the dosage

Plonk

Tina

Perfect example of omeone in great need of a good "rogering", so she
won't respond with another off-topic comment.

How do you know so much about Paxil meds - they interfere with your
ability to get a good "rogering"?




Jonah wrote:


You should get glass windows (the more panes the better), with either
aluminum, vinyl or other plastic coverings over wood. The aluminum is
better than the vinyl, or the other way around (I can't remember). Go
with either white or off-white, with internal shades and screens if you
want them. If you don't want shades and screens, get the windows that
don't have them. I'd look for something that needs minimal
maintenance. Your best bet would be to talk to an architect, building
contractor, etc. I'd also suggest you don't use that same
condescending, arrogant, demanding tone that you used here.
Hope this helps.

USENET READER wrote:


Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We
do get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows
on three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the

windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their
window technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I
want to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient
windows - wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the
outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding
is either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum
guy says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and
joined aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl
because it doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl
guys say that the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the
paint on the aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC.
So we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect,
etc - with some real experience with more than one type of window who
can tell me the real life pros and cons of the different types of
windows for sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!

Red Cloud® wrote:

On Mon, 02 May 2005 22:38:07 GMT, USENET READER
wrote:


Bite me loser asshole - do you have any idea how many times I have
posted questions and the only responses I get are stupid off-topic
comments that have nothing to do with the original question - like your
posting today?




Gee, I wonder why you get all those stupid answers. I don't suppose you deserve
it for asking for help and insulting people in the same breath?

rusty redcloud

Sorry - the only people who should feel insulted are the people who feel
the need to post a repsonse to a question that they have no real
information to offer up - they just like to hear themselves talk or see
their postins up on line - it makes them feel better about their
otherwise useless lives and lack of education, and inability to get it
up (on in Tina's case, find a guy to scare it up).

Matt - why would you consider vinyl over aluminum-clad windows? This is
an example of the type of on-topic response I was seeking when I posted
the original question. Thank you for staying on topic.

Matt L. wrote:

I bought and installed myself Pella's ProLine aluminum-clad double-hung wood
windows. They are about 5 years old now. I am pleased with them but if I
ever remodel another house I would probably consider vinyl windows that
don't have to be painted. I bought my windows from the Pella store in Cary
but I think they can also be ordered through Home Depot.


"USENET READER" wrote in message
ink.net...

Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

Jeff G. wrote:

"USENET READER" wrote

Greetings - I am looking specifically for recommendations on some new
windows for my home.

It's a 35 YO split level in the Piedmont area of North Carolina. We do
get cold weather but mostly hot weather, direct sun on the windows on
three sides of the house.

The house is going to be remodeled from the roof down - new shingles,
fascia and soffits, as well as siding. Gonna be putting up Hardiplank
siding, and AZEK trim boards and possibly brick mold around the windows.

I went to a home show a few weeks ago, and heard some wild and
contradictory claims from window company reps who said that their window
technology was better than the other guys.

Basially I have old single-pane wooden windows on the house now. I want
to replace them with more maintenence-free and energy efficient windows
- wooden on the inside, and they can be whatever works on the outside.

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other
molded plastic coverings over a wooden window. The aluminum cladding is
either extruded or pressed and joined over the wood. One aluminum guy
says that the extruded aluminum is superior to the pressed and joined
aluminum covering and that aluminum is better than vinyl because it
doesn't expand and contract as much as vinyl The Vinyl guys say that
the coloring on the exteriors won't wear out like the paint on the
aluminum.

We simply want white or off-white windows for the house that need a
minimum of maintenence given the weather conditions down here in NC. So
we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect, etc -
with some real experience with more than one type of window who can tell
me the real life pros and cons of the different types of windows for
sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the
question. Please respond through the group. Thanks!


What's the question? Are you looking for an architect to consult you, or?
I didn't see one "?"

It isn't really a question - we are looking for someone with some real
experience with more than one type of window who can tell me the real
life pros and cons of the different types of windows and make some
recommendations.

This isn't a question other than to ask others out there if they either
have that experience or can identify someone who does have that
experience and provide some contact info.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

"USENET READER" wrote in message

The current technology seems to be either aluminum, vinyl or other molded
plastic coverings over a wooden window.


Yep.



So we are looking for someone - a building contractor, an architect,
etc - with some real experience with more than one type of window who can
tell me the real life pros and cons of the different types of windows for
sale in the RTP NC area and make some recommendations.

Please - no BS comments from people who really can't answer the question.
Please respond through the group. Thanks!


I've had my own window and door business so I'm qualified to give you a good
answer. Sold and installed most every type at one time or another. OTOH, I
don't like people telling me what I can and cannot say so I'm not going to
waste my time with an arrogant putz like you.

Isn't the customer always right? Even the potential customer? Sorry if
I don't want some readneck asshole with Bush stickers on his truck
coming into my yard and unleashing a bunch of illegal mexicans to wreak
havoc on my yard, and taking 15 minutes to tell me some cracker-barrel
story to answer a question that should have been answered with a simple
"yes" or "no".

No wonder you "had" a window and door business. Time is money Bubba!