This is a question for professional plumbers.

I had a problem with a kitchen drain that was ultimately diagnosed as a
separation of the drain from the sewer beneath the house. The conclusion
was to reroute the 2" kitchen drain into a 4" (I think) metal drainpipe in
the basement. The estimate was for some amount of labor plus $200 in parts.
I agreed, so he came back a couple of days later to do the job.

When we opened the wall, we saw that there was another 2" drain already
built in (apparently for a future bathroom) and was merely capped off. The
decision was made to route the kitchen drain into that drain, which was a
much simpler job.

I noted the parts that were used for the job. He used about 12 to 15 PVC
elbows, and 4 rubber junctions (not sure what they are really called) to
connect the old copper pipe to the new PVC replacement pipe. The plumber
also used about 12 feet of 2" PVC pipe.

When he wrote the bill, he used the $200 figure for the parts. I was
certain that the task was easier than originally though, as it did not
require cutting into the existing 4" pipe nor require whatever parts were
needed to hook that all up again. In fact, the 12 to 15 elbows, at Home
Depot's retail price, are about 80 cents each. The rubber junctions were
about $2.50 each. This adds up to about $22.00, plus whatever 12 feet of
2" PVC costs. which I think is not that much. I did not feel that the labor
charges were unfair, but the price for the parts left me feeling a bit
ripped off.

Should I feel that way, or are plumbing parts typically priced with a 600 to
800 percent markup? I complained to the plumber, but he essentially said
that since I had agreed to pay $200 for parts, I have to pay it. (I asked,
does this mean if he discovered that all he had to do was replace a washer,
that it would've been $200 because I had agreed to it? He refused to answer
that question.)

Of course, I am quite thankful the job didn't cost thousands, as one plumber
had estimated (he was going to dig up the basement, destroying a finished
bathroom in the process). But I still would like to pay a fair price for
what I got. Should I feel ripped off?

"H" wrote in message
news:Xnxae.112$zv1.48@lakeread07...
This is a question for professional plumbers.

I had a problem with a kitchen drain that was ultimately diagnosed as a
separation of the drain from the sewer beneath the house. The conclusion
was to reroute the 2" kitchen drain into a 4" (I think) metal drainpipe in
the basement. The estimate was for some amount of labor plus $200 in
parts.
I agreed, so he came back a couple of days later to do the job.

When we opened the wall, we saw that there was another 2" drain already
built in (apparently for a future bathroom) and was merely capped off.
The
decision was made to route the kitchen drain into that drain, which was a
much simpler job.

I noted the parts that were used for the job. He used about 12 to 15 PVC
elbows, and 4 rubber junctions (not sure what they are really called) to
connect the old copper pipe to the new PVC replacement pipe. The plumber
also used about 12 feet of 2" PVC pipe.

When he wrote the bill, he used the $200 figure for the parts. I was
certain that the task was easier than originally though, as it did not
require cutting into the existing 4" pipe nor require whatever parts were
needed to hook that all up again. In fact, the 12 to 15 elbows, at Home
Depot's retail price, are about 80 cents each. The rubber junctions were
about $2.50 each. This adds up to about $22.00, plus whatever 12 feet of
2" PVC costs. which I think is not that much. I did not feel that the
labor
charges were unfair, but the price for the parts left me feeling a bit
ripped off.

Should I feel that way, or are plumbing parts typically priced with a 600
to
800 percent markup? I complained to the plumber, but he essentially said
that since I had agreed to pay $200 for parts, I have to pay it. (I
asked,
does this mean if he discovered that all he had to do was replace a
washer,
that it would've been $200 because I had agreed to it? He refused to
answer
that question.)

Of course, I am quite thankful the job didn't cost thousands, as one
plumber
had estimated (he was going to dig up the basement, destroying a finished
bathroom in the process). But I still would like to pay a fair price for
what I got. Should I feel ripped off?



I am not a professional plumber but am in the trades. Off the truck parts
should run about 2-3 times what you can buy the same part for at HD.
Reason: the cash and time invested in the purchasing and hauling. Some
things actually sell for less at HD than the trades pay for the same part at
the supply house. The difference is that the supply always has the part,
others that HD does not stock and gets the contractor in and out quickly.

The only way this persons attitude could be fair is if he pre-purchased the
parts specifically for your job before he came to your home. Even then it
is not something I would do to a customer.

Colbyt

"Colbyt" wrote in message
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"H" wrote in message
news:Xnxae.112$zv1.48@lakeread07...
This is a question for professional plumbers.

I had a problem with a kitchen drain that was ultimately diagnosed as a
separation of the drain from the sewer beneath the house. The
conclusion
was to reroute the 2" kitchen drain into a 4" (I think) metal drainpipe
in
the basement. The estimate was for some amount of labor plus $200 in
parts.
I agreed, so he came back a couple of days later to do the job.

When we opened the wall, we saw that there was another 2" drain already
built in (apparently for a future bathroom) and was merely capped off.
The
decision was made to route the kitchen drain into that drain, which was
a
much simpler job.

I noted the parts that were used for the job. He used about 12 to 15
PVC
elbows, and 4 rubber junctions (not sure what they are really called) to
connect the old copper pipe to the new PVC replacement pipe. The
plumber
also used about 12 feet of 2" PVC pipe.

When he wrote the bill, he used the $200 figure for the parts. I was
certain that the task was easier than originally though, as it did not
require cutting into the existing 4" pipe nor require whatever parts
were
needed to hook that all up again. In fact, the 12 to 15 elbows, at Home
Depot's retail price, are about 80 cents each. The rubber junctions
were
about $2.50 each. This adds up to about $22.00, plus whatever 12 feet
of
2" PVC costs. which I think is not that much. I did not feel that the
labor
charges were unfair, but the price for the parts left me feeling a bit
ripped off.

Should I feel that way, or are plumbing parts typically priced with a
600
to
800 percent markup? I complained to the plumber, but he essentially
said
that since I had agreed to pay $200 for parts, I have to pay it. (I
asked,
does this mean if he discovered that all he had to do was replace a
washer,
that it would've been $200 because I had agreed to it? He refused to
answer
that question.)

Of course, I am quite thankful the job didn't cost thousands, as one
plumber
had estimated (he was going to dig up the basement, destroying a
finished
bathroom in the process). But I still would like to pay a fair price
for
what I got. Should I feel ripped off?



I am not a professional plumber but am in the trades. Off the truck parts
should run about 2-3 times what you can buy the same part for at HD.
Reason: the cash and time invested in the purchasing and hauling. Some
things actually sell for less at HD than the trades pay for the same part
at
the supply house. The difference is that the supply always has the part,
others that HD does not stock and gets the contractor in and out quickly.

The only way this persons attitude could be fair is if he pre-purchased
the
parts specifically for your job before he came to your home. Even then it
is not something I would do to a customer.

Colbyt


I figured a 100% to 200% markup would've been ok. In fact, he did buy
specific parts for the job, but the parts required for the original job
still only added up to about $10 more at retail prices.

I appreciate the reply. Thanks.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:56:37 -0400, "H" wrote:


"Colbyt" wrote in message
...

"H" wrote in message
news:Xnxae.112$zv1.48@lakeread07...
This is a question for professional plumbers.

I had a problem with a kitchen drain that was ultimately diagnosed as a
separation of the drain from the sewer beneath the house. The
conclusion
was to reroute the 2" kitchen drain into a 4" (I think) metal drainpipe
in
the basement. The estimate was for some amount of labor plus $200 in
parts.
I agreed, so he came back a couple of days later to do the job.

When we opened the wall, we saw that there was another 2" drain already
built in (apparently for a future bathroom) and was merely capped off.
The
decision was made to route the kitchen drain into that drain, which was
a
much simpler job.

I noted the parts that were used for the job. He used about 12 to 15
PVC
elbows, and 4 rubber junctions (not sure what they are really called) to
connect the old copper pipe to the new PVC replacement pipe. The
plumber
also used about 12 feet of 2" PVC pipe.

When he wrote the bill, he used the $200 figure for the parts. I was
certain that the task was easier than originally though, as it did not
require cutting into the existing 4" pipe nor require whatever parts
were
needed to hook that all up again. In fact, the 12 to 15 elbows, at Home
Depot's retail price, are about 80 cents each. The rubber junctions
were
about $2.50 each. This adds up to about $22.00, plus whatever 12 feet
of
2" PVC costs. which I think is not that much. I did not feel that the
labor
charges were unfair, but the price for the parts left me feeling a bit
ripped off.

Should I feel that way, or are plumbing parts typically priced with a
600
to
800 percent markup? I complained to the plumber, but he essentially
said
that since I had agreed to pay $200 for parts, I have to pay it. (I
asked,
does this mean if he discovered that all he had to do was replace a
washer,
that it would've been $200 because I had agreed to it? He refused to
answer
that question.)

Of course, I am quite thankful the job didn't cost thousands, as one
plumber
had estimated (he was going to dig up the basement, destroying a
finished
bathroom in the process). But I still would like to pay a fair price
for
what I got. Should I feel ripped off?



I am not a professional plumber but am in the trades. Off the truck parts
should run about 2-3 times what you can buy the same part for at HD.
Reason: the cash and time invested in the purchasing and hauling. Some
things actually sell for less at HD than the trades pay for the same part
at
the supply house. The difference is that the supply always has the part,
others that HD does not stock and gets the contractor in and out quickly.

The only way this persons attitude could be fair is if he pre-purchased
the
parts specifically for your job before he came to your home. Even then it
is not something I would do to a customer.

Colbyt


I figured a 100% to 200% markup would've been ok. In fact, he did buy
specific parts for the job, but the parts required for the original job
still only added up to about $10 more at retail prices.

I appreciate the reply. Thanks.


I suggest that you do the next job yourself and pocket all that
cash.

i agree with JimL. PVC drain pipe install is easy enough to train a chimp to
do it. plumbers arent exactly rocket scientists. go spend your 30$ in pvc
and glue/primer n go to town.

"JimL" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 16:56:37 -0400, "H" wrote:


"Colbyt" wrote in message
...

"H" wrote in message
news:Xnxae.112$zv1.48@lakeread07...
This is a question for professional plumbers.

I had a problem with a kitchen drain that was ultimately diagnosed as
a
separation of the drain from the sewer beneath the house. The
conclusion
was to reroute the 2" kitchen drain into a 4" (I think) metal
drainpipe
in
the basement. The estimate was for some amount of labor plus $200 in
parts.
I agreed, so he came back a couple of days later to do the job.

When we opened the wall, we saw that there was another 2" drain
already
built in (apparently for a future bathroom) and was merely capped
off.
The
decision was made to route the kitchen drain into that drain, which
was
a
much simpler job.

I noted the parts that were used for the job. He used about 12 to 15
PVC
elbows, and 4 rubber junctions (not sure what they are really called)
to
connect the old copper pipe to the new PVC replacement pipe. The
plumber
also used about 12 feet of 2" PVC pipe.

When he wrote the bill, he used the $200 figure for the parts. I was
certain that the task was easier than originally though, as it did
not
require cutting into the existing 4" pipe nor require whatever parts
were
needed to hook that all up again. In fact, the 12 to 15 elbows, at
Home
Depot's retail price, are about 80 cents each. The rubber junctions
were
about $2.50 each. This adds up to about $22.00, plus whatever 12
feet
of
2" PVC costs. which I think is not that much. I did not feel that
the
labor
charges were unfair, but the price for the parts left me feeling a
bit
ripped off.

Should I feel that way, or are plumbing parts typically priced with a
600
to
800 percent markup? I complained to the plumber, but he essentially
said
that since I had agreed to pay $200 for parts, I have to pay it. (I
asked,
does this mean if he discovered that all he had to do was replace a
washer,
that it would've been $200 because I had agreed to it? He refused to
answer
that question.)

Of course, I am quite thankful the job didn't cost thousands, as one
plumber
had estimated (he was going to dig up the basement, destroying a
finished
bathroom in the process). But I still would like to pay a fair price
for
what I got. Should I feel ripped off?



I am not a professional plumber but am in the trades. Off the truck
parts
should run about 2-3 times what you can buy the same part for at HD.
Reason: the cash and time invested in the purchasing and hauling. Some
things actually sell for less at HD than the trades pay for the same
part
at
the supply house. The difference is that the supply always has the
part,
others that HD does not stock and gets the contractor in and out
quickly.

The only way this persons attitude could be fair is if he pre-purchased
the
parts specifically for your job before he came to your home. Even then
it
is not something I would do to a customer.

Colbyt


I figured a 100% to 200% markup would've been ok. In fact, he did buy
specific parts for the job, but the parts required for the original job
still only added up to about $10 more at retail prices.

I appreciate the reply. Thanks.


I suggest that you do the next job yourself and pocket all that
cash.

12 to 15 elbows and a couple of mission couplings with 12 feet of pipe....


PLEASE POST A LINK TO A PICTURE...


"H" wrote in message
news:Xnxae.112$zv1.48@lakeread07...
This is a question for professional plumbers.

I had a problem with a kitchen drain that was ultimately diagnosed as a
separation of the drain from the sewer beneath the house. The conclusion
was to reroute the 2" kitchen drain into a 4" (I think) metal drainpipe in
the basement. The estimate was for some amount of labor plus $200 in
parts.
I agreed, so he came back a couple of days later to do the job.

When we opened the wall, we saw that there was another 2" drain already
built in (apparently for a future bathroom) and was merely capped off.
The
decision was made to route the kitchen drain into that drain, which was a
much simpler job.

I noted the parts that were used for the job. He used about 12 to 15 PVC
elbows, and 4 rubber junctions (not sure what they are really called) to
connect the old copper pipe to the new PVC replacement pipe. The plumber
also used about 12 feet of 2" PVC pipe.

When he wrote the bill, he used the $200 figure for the parts. I was
certain that the task was easier than originally though, as it did not
require cutting into the existing 4" pipe nor require whatever parts were
needed to hook that all up again. In fact, the 12 to 15 elbows, at Home
Depot's retail price, are about 80 cents each. The rubber junctions were
about $2.50 each. This adds up to about $22.00, plus whatever 12 feet of
2" PVC costs. which I think is not that much. I did not feel that the
labor
charges were unfair, but the price for the parts left me feeling a bit
ripped off.

Should I feel that way, or are plumbing parts typically priced with a 600
to
800 percent markup? I complained to the plumber, but he essentially said
that since I had agreed to pay $200 for parts, I have to pay it. (I
asked,
does this mean if he discovered that all he had to do was replace a
washer,
that it would've been $200 because I had agreed to it? He refused to
answer
that question.)

Of course, I am quite thankful the job didn't cost thousands, as one
plumber
had estimated (he was going to dig up the basement, destroying a finished
bathroom in the process). But I still would like to pay a fair price for
what I got. Should I feel ripped off?

Funny how we know when we have been taken but always try and see how it
might be that it really isn't so. The guy simply took advantage of you and
knows he can get away with it. You just need to yell louder. People who
are honest in a situation like you described will take the time to explain
it to your satisfaction. A dishonest person will always be evasive and try
and throw it back on you. You shouldn't have to feel bad about a situation
like that. That's how you know when you are getting screwed, you feel
uncomfortable, akward and uneasy.

Doug


"H" wrote in message
news:Xnxae.112$zv1.48@lakeread07...
This is a question for professional plumbers.

I had a problem with a kitchen drain that was ultimately diagnosed as a
separation of the drain from the sewer beneath the house. The conclusion
was to reroute the 2" kitchen drain into a 4" (I think) metal drainpipe in
the basement. The estimate was for some amount of labor plus $200 in
parts.
I agreed, so he came back a couple of days later to do the job.

When we opened the wall, we saw that there was another 2" drain already
built in (apparently for a future bathroom) and was merely capped off.
The
decision was made to route the kitchen drain into that drain, which was a
much simpler job.

I noted the parts that were used for the job. He used about 12 to 15 PVC
elbows, and 4 rubber junctions (not sure what they are really called) to
connect the old copper pipe to the new PVC replacement pipe. The plumber
also used about 12 feet of 2" PVC pipe.

When he wrote the bill, he used the $200 figure for the parts. I was
certain that the task was easier than originally though, as it did not
require cutting into the existing 4" pipe nor require whatever parts were
needed to hook that all up again. In fact, the 12 to 15 elbows, at Home
Depot's retail price, are about 80 cents each. The rubber junctions were
about $2.50 each. This adds up to about $22.00, plus whatever 12 feet of
2" PVC costs. which I think is not that much. I did not feel that the
labor
charges were unfair, but the price for the parts left me feeling a bit
ripped off.

Should I feel that way, or are plumbing parts typically priced with a 600
to
800 percent markup? I complained to the plumber, but he essentially said
that since I had agreed to pay $200 for parts, I have to pay it. (I
asked,
does this mean if he discovered that all he had to do was replace a
washer,
that it would've been $200 because I had agreed to it? He refused to
answer
that question.)

Of course, I am quite thankful the job didn't cost thousands, as one
plumber
had estimated (he was going to dig up the basement, destroying a finished
bathroom in the process). But I still would like to pay a fair price for
what I got. Should I feel ripped off?

"H" wrote in message
news:Xnxae.112$zv1.48@lakeread07...
This is a question for professional plumbers.

I had a problem with a kitchen drain that was ultimately diagnosed as a
separation of the drain from the sewer beneath the house. The conclusion
was to reroute the 2" kitchen drain into a 4" (I think) metal drainpipe in
the basement. The estimate was for some amount of labor plus $200 in
parts.
I agreed, so he came back a couple of days later to do the job.

When we opened the wall, we saw that there was another 2" drain already
built in (apparently for a future bathroom) and was merely capped off.
The
decision was made to route the kitchen drain into that drain, which was a
much simpler job.

I noted the parts that were used for the job. He used about 12 to 15 PVC
elbows, and 4 rubber junctions (not sure what they are really called) to
connect the old copper pipe to the new PVC replacement pipe. The plumber
also used about 12 feet of 2" PVC pipe.

When he wrote the bill, he used the $200 figure for the parts. I was
certain that the task was easier than originally though, as it did not
require cutting into the existing 4" pipe nor require whatever parts were
needed to hook that all up again. In fact, the 12 to 15 elbows, at Home
Depot's retail price, are about 80 cents each. The rubber junctions were
about $2.50 each. This adds up to about $22.00, plus whatever 12 feet of
2" PVC costs. which I think is not that much. I did not feel that the
labor
charges were unfair, but the price for the parts left me feeling a bit
ripped off.

Should I feel that way, or are plumbing parts typically priced with a 600
to
800 percent markup? I complained to the plumber, but he essentially said
that since I had agreed to pay $200 for parts, I have to pay it. (I
asked,
does this mean if he discovered that all he had to do was replace a
washer,
that it would've been $200 because I had agreed to it? He refused to
answer
that question.)

Of course, I am quite thankful the job didn't cost thousands, as one
plumber
had estimated (he was going to dig up the basement, destroying a finished
bathroom in the process). But I still would like to pay a fair price for
what I got. Should I feel ripped off?



His mistake was separating a labor and parts charge. Basically, he fixed
your problem at a price you found agreeable and he did it within a couple
days. Had he not broken out 200. for parts and just gave you a lump sum
price, you wouldn't have the bad taste in your mouth.