I had requested a Honeywell (or American Standard branded equivalent)
Two stage / 7 day programmable thermostat for my 2 stage furnace.
Instead the professional HVAC company installed a "Braeburn" two stage /
7 day (model 5100). I've never heard of Braeburn and indeed the
trademark office says it has only been used in commerce since 2002,
strangely registered to an individual not a company.

Besides being a pain to program, are there any disadvantages to having
this thermostat instead of the Honeywell? I'm a bit disappointed but
really can't hold their feet to the fire since the contract didn't
explicitly say "Honeywell." I really liked my Honeywell 3500, but that
is only 1 stage 'stat. Thanks!

Lynn O'Day wrote:

I had requested a Honeywell (or American Standard branded equivalent)
Two stage / 7 day programmable thermostat for my 2 stage furnace.
Instead the professional HVAC company installed a "Braeburn" two stage /
7 day (model 5100). I've never heard of Braeburn and indeed the
trademark office says it has only been used in commerce since 2002,
strangely registered to an individual not a company.

Besides being a pain to program, are there any disadvantages to having
this thermostat instead of the Honeywell? I'm a bit disappointed but
really can't hold their feet to the fire since the contract didn't
explicitly say "Honeywell." I really liked my Honeywell 3500, but that
is only 1 stage 'stat. Thanks!

PS. This was for a new furnace installation, so the thermostat was a pretty
small piece of the job.

The contract said Honeywell.


"Lynn O'Day" wrote in message
...
Lynn O'Day wrote:

I had requested a Honeywell (or American Standard branded equivalent)
Two stage / 7 day programmable thermostat for my 2 stage furnace.
Instead the professional HVAC company installed a "Braeburn" two stage /
7 day (model 5100). I've never heard of Braeburn and indeed the
trademark office says it has only been used in commerce since 2002,
strangely registered to an individual not a company.

Besides being a pain to program, are there any disadvantages to having
this thermostat instead of the Honeywell? I'm a bit disappointed but
really can't hold their feet to the fire since the contract didn't
explicitly say "Honeywell." I really liked my Honeywell 3500, but that
is only 1 stage 'stat. Thanks!

PS. This was for a new furnace installation, so the thermostat was a
pretty
small piece of the job.

On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:12:09 -0500, someone wrote:

The contract said Honeywell.

No, it did NOT. According to OP, the written contract merely said "a"
2-stage prgrammable stat. He made an oral request to modify a written
contract. He seems to recognize the problem with that.

Unless they explicitly agreed to the upgrade, there is nothing to
enforce, and if they did how do you prove it since the written record
says otherwise.

Formally, this should have been done in writing: "How much extra for a
Honeywell Model _____ ". At this point its "oh well". I don't see at
all that he "deserves" a replacement stat for free, maybe he can work
out a deal if he asks nice, but why bother. How often does he
program it? Use this one, and if he doesn't get used to it change it
next year.

I don't see it being a big deal.

-v.


Reply to NG only - this e.mail address goes to a kill file.

"v" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:12:09 -0500, someone wrote:

The contract said Honeywell.

No, it did NOT. According to OP, the written contract merely said "a"
2-stage prgrammable stat. He made an oral request to modify a written
contract. He seems to recognize the problem with that.


As I remember it, the _first_ post in this thread didn't say anything about
the contracted tstat. This showed up in a later post...

Replacing it with a programmable thermostat of your choice is easy and not
that expensive. What would really concern me is what else wasn't done
according to the contract?

"Lynn O'Day" wrote in message
...
Lynn O'Day wrote:

I had requested a Honeywell (or American Standard branded equivalent)
Two stage / 7 day programmable thermostat for my 2 stage furnace.
Instead the professional HVAC company installed a "Braeburn" two stage /
7 day (model 5100). I've never heard of Braeburn and indeed the
trademark office says it has only been used in commerce since 2002,
strangely registered to an individual not a company.

Besides being a pain to program, are there any disadvantages to having
this thermostat instead of the Honeywell? I'm a bit disappointed but
really can't hold their feet to the fire since the contract didn't
explicitly say "Honeywell." I really liked my Honeywell 3500, but that
is only 1 stage 'stat. Thanks!

PS. This was for a new furnace installation, so the thermostat was a
pretty
small piece of the job.

Jane wrote:

Replacing it with a programmable thermostat of your choice is easy and not
that expensive. What would really concern me is what else wasn't done
according to the contract?

To clarify, I requested Honeywell verbally although the written contract does
just say programmable 7 day 2 stage (no brand mentioned), so I'm afraid I
can't hold them to the fire for that. Now I am just wondering if the Braeburn
is a decent 'stat or if it's cheap rip off. One little thing I like about the
Honeywell (besides the easy to use buttons and programming) is the indication
that the 'stat is calling for heat.

Never heard of it(Braeburn). Does it come with a warranty?


"Lynn O'Day" wrote in message
...
Jane wrote:

Replacing it with a programmable thermostat of your choice is easy and
not
that expensive. What would really concern me is what else wasn't done
according to the contract?

To clarify, I requested Honeywell verbally although the written contract
does
just say programmable 7 day 2 stage (no brand mentioned), so I'm afraid I
can't hold them to the fire for that. Now I am just wondering if the
Braeburn
is a decent 'stat or if it's cheap rip off. One little thing I like about
the
Honeywell (besides the easy to use buttons and programming) is the
indication
that the 'stat is calling for heat.

HeatMan wrote:
Never heard of it(Braeburn). Does it come with a warranty?


"Lynn O'Day" wrote in message
...
Jane wrote:

Replacing it with a programmable thermostat of your choice is
easy and not that expensive. What would really concern me is
what else wasn't done according to the contract?

To clarify, I requested Honeywell verbally although the written
contract does just say programmable 7 day 2 stage (no brand
mentioned), so I'm afraid I can't hold them to the fire for that.
Now I am just wondering if the Braeburn is a decent 'stat or if
it's cheap rip off. One little thing I like about the Honeywell
(besides the easy to use buttons and programming) is the indication
that the 'stat is calling for heat.

Braeburn is a fairly new company. It remains to be seen how their products
fair against the likes of Honeywell.

http://www.braeburnonline.com/history.html

Braeburn Systems LLC is the fastest growing wholesale thermostat
manufacturer in the United States. Founded in 2001, Braeburn Systems
manufactures digital electronic thermostats and controls for installation by
professional contractors.
Braeburn® controls are manufactured in our state-of-the-art manufacturing
facility in China which is ISO 9001 and QS 9000 rated for the highest
assurance of quality. Our modern distribution center is located at the UPS
Supply Chain Solutions Logistics Center in Louisville, Kentucky and serves
all of our customers worldwide. Braeburn System's corporate office is
located in Montgomery, Illinois.

Braeburn® products are available to professional contractors through our
network of HVACR and Plumbing distributors throughout North America. For
more information on Braeburn® products, the name of a local sales
representative or a distributor in your area you can contact our sales
department at 1-866-268-5599.

Lynn O'Day wrote:
I had requested a Honeywell (or American Standard branded equivalent)
Two stage / 7 day programmable thermostat for my 2 stage furnace.
Instead the professional HVAC company installed a "Braeburn" two
stage / 7 day (model 5100). I've never heard of Braeburn and indeed
the trademark office says it has only been used in commerce since
2002, strangely registered to an individual not a company.

Besides being a pain to program, are there any disadvantages to having
this thermostat instead of the Honeywell? I'm a bit disappointed but
really can't hold their feet to the fire since the contract didn't
explicitly say "Honeywell." I really liked my Honeywell 3500, but
that is only 1 stage 'stat. Thanks!

http://www.honeywellcannon.com/Desig...te%20Paper.pdf

Executive summary
=============
There is a common misperception that all electronic thermostats offer the
same level of comfort. To dispel this misperception,
Honeywell1 conducted what is believed to be the industry's most
comprehensive comparison testing ever on the performance
of residential electronic thermostats. Twelve thermostat models (with three
thermostats from each model) were tested from
Honeywell, Totaline, White-Rodgers, Lux, Invensys and Braeburn.

The testing, conducted in accordance with National Electrical Manufacturers
Association (NEMA) standards, revealed
major differences in electronic thermostat performance and the ability to
provide consistent, reliable comfort. The testing
looked at temperature swing and droop.

Honeywell thermostats allowed the least amount of temperature swing and
temperature droop of any manufacturer tested.
Honeywell permitted, at the most, a 0.5 degree F temperature swing. The
competition allowed, at the most, a temperature
swing of 1.9 degrees F (White-Rodgers), 3.2 degrees F (Totaline), 4.1
degrees F (Lux), 4.4 degrees F (Invensys), and 6.7
degrees F (Braeburn).

Honeywell permitted, at the most, a temperature droop of 0.2 degrees F. The
competition allowed, at the most, a temperature
droop of 0.4 degrees F (White-Rodgers), 0.5 degrees F (Lux), 1.2 degrees F
(Invensys), 1.4 degrees F (Braeburn), and
1.6 degrees F (Totaline).

Lynn O'Day wrote:
I had requested a Honeywell (or American Standard branded equivalent)
Two stage / 7 day programmable thermostat for my 2 stage furnace.
Instead the professional HVAC company installed a "Braeburn" two stage /
7 day (model 5100). I've never heard of Braeburn and indeed the
trademark office says it has only been used in commerce since 2002,
strangely registered to an individual not a company.

Besides being a pain to program, are there any disadvantages to having
this thermostat instead of the Honeywell? I'm a bit disappointed but
really can't hold their feet to the fire since the contract didn't
explicitly say "Honeywell." I really liked my Honeywell 3500, but that
is only 1 stage 'stat. Thanks!

They haven't been around that long, so no track record. Strike One.
You already find it a pain to program. Strike Two.
You asked for a Honeywell unit, and you're familiar with Honeywell units.
Strike Three

IMHO, you should ask politely that the unit be changed out for a Honeywell
(there are lots of models, so I'd recommend being pretty specific so you don't
get some low-end model). If they balk (a decent operation shouldn't, but you
never know) offer to change the unit out yourself, or maybe sweeten the pot to
help offset the labor (after all, the hardware cost ain't the issue, but the
additional truck roll costs 'em money).