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Interesting that your builder is charging extra for the gas line. Is he
including a circuit for an electric dryer in for free? I've been offered one or the other at no charge with the 2 houses I've had built. The person who suggested putting in both had a pretty good suggestion. Relatively inexpensive, when you consider the price of your townhouse, the monthly payment you make will change by only pennies, probably. Keep in mind that if gas prices go up, electric rates may rise right along with them. Many utilities burn natural gas to generate electricity. Some may switch to another fuel if they can, but that fuel would likely rise as well. That said, when we switched from an electric dryer to natural gas a decade ago, we noticed a several dollar per month drop in our electric bill. Maybe $75 per year. We did not notice much of an increase at all in our gas bill. So call it maybe $65 per year, so total payback in less than 3 years. Your results will vary based on the utility rates in your area. In this area, electricity is relatively inexpensive $0.07 per kwh. and gas is about 77 per therm. I've had to replace one timer on my electric dryer in the 5 years I've owned it (Kenmore) In the 12 years I've owned 2 gas dryers, both Maytags, no repairs needed. Hardly representative, I know, but that's my experience. HTH Dave "BrianEWilliams" wrote in message om... We are buying a new construction townhouse. Installing a gas line to the laundry area will be $100. A gas dryer cost $53 more than the same model in electric. I have seen headlines saying gas prices are going up. My question is this. Does anyone have a opinion on how long it will take me to save back my extra $153 in upfront costs for the gas dryer? Obviously this depends on the relative price of gas vs. electricity in the future which no one can predict, but opinions are welcome. Also, are there any maintenance issues with gas vs. electric dryers? This is the gas model we are thinking of getting: |
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The Advantage of a house with all electric appliances instead of gas
is that you don't have to run natural gas lines through the home. For those of you who are safety oriented this can be important if you are concerned about gas building up inside the house and a huge explosion leveling the whole property afterwards. Some apartments and condos don't have any gas at all in the for that very same reason because the risk is greater. If not in explosion then the residents can get gassed out and killed while they are sleeping. There was a time long ago when lighting fixtures were not electric but has gas coming through them and burned gas to create light. I don't think it's even documented how many people died from being gassed out from the gas itself or from the buildup or carbon dioxide or from being burned. For those of you who live in earthquake country your better off not having gas if you want to be safe. This is why it is mandatory to know exactly where is the main gas shut off valve for your house so that you can immediately secure your residence by getting a wrench and turning the valve closed so that your house won't explode. There is one other thing, I don't know if Gas lines can freeze up the way water lines do. You can't know everything and I wish somebody would pitch in on the matter. Scour the Internet for the situation where a gas main exploded and burned a whole community somewhere in California. There was a situation once where a train derailed at a bedroom community. Two houses were leveled I believe because they were by the tracks that was a sharp turn. (stupid place to build a house in my opinion) Silently underground there was a serious problem being a fracture in the main gas line. Days later after the train derailment the line burst and gas was shot up hundreds of feet into the air. Minutes later the worst imaginable had happened once all of that fuel ignited. It was such a great tragedy indeed and I still remember watching it on a documentary as if it were only yesterday. Some of those poor people who were still alive to talk about it, it was tragic. |
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My, what amazing fear-mongering about natural gas. Are you paid by
the electric company, or what? Here's a different point of view, from http://utilities.dteenergy.com/infoZone/safety/gasSafety.html: The Facts Natural gas is one of the safest energy sources available to homeowners and businesses alike. By itself, natural gas will not ignite. For ignition to occur, a mixture of gas between four and 14 percent must combine with air. Also, gas must have an ignition source with a temperature of 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit or more before it will ignite. Because gas is lighter than air, it will rise and disperse. That's why you should open windows and doors if you smell gas. I suspect that if you research the subject, you will find that more people are injured or killed and more property is damaged as a result of electrical fires than as a result of gas leaks. You mentioned, without any details, a gas main explosion which "burned a whole community somewhere in California." If that really happened, then sure, it's a terrible tragedy. But the fact that it happened doesn't really prove much about the safety of natural gas, any more than Boston's great molasses flood of 1919 proves anything about the safety of molasses. |
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"Eastward Bound" wrote in message om... The Advantage of a house with all electric appliances instead of gas is that you don't have to run natural gas lines through the home. i looked specifically for a place with natural gas appliances, and heating. in so cal, gas is cheaper than electricity. For those of you who are safety oriented this can be important if you are concerned about gas building up inside the house and a huge explosion leveling the whole property afterwards. Some apartments and condos don't have any gas at all in the for that very same reason because the risk is greater. my condo was built in 81 and has a gas stove, water heater, clothes dryer, and central heat. i like it. it also meets all earthquake codes and has apparently been thru a few of em since it was built with no damage at all. If not in explosion then the residents can get gassed out and killed while they are sleeping. There was a time long ago when lighting fixtures were not electric but has gas coming through them and burned gas to create light. I don't think it's even documented how many people died from being gassed out from the gas itself or from the buildup or carbon dioxide or from being burned. might not be documented because it wasnt a big issue. how many gas station fires are documented? i rarely hear of one, yet we all pump flammable liquid fuel in our vehicles regularly. For those of you who live in earthquake country your better off not having gas if you want to be safe. This is why it is mandatory to know exactly where is the main gas shut off valve for your house so that you can immediately secure your residence by getting a wrench and turning the valve closed so that your house won't explode. true. its also nice to be able to shut off your power in case of short circuits, and water in case of ruptured pipes. There is one other thing, I don't know if Gas lines can freeze up the way water lines do. You can't know everything and I wish somebody would pitch in on the matter. Scour the Internet for the situation where a gas main exploded and burned a whole community somewhere in California. There was a situation once where a train derailed at a bedroom community. Two houses were leveled I believe because they were by the tracks that was a sharp turn. (stupid place to build a house in my opinion) Silently underground there was a serious problem being a fracture in the main gas line. Days later after the train derailment the line burst and gas was shot up hundreds of feet into the air. Minutes later the worst imaginable had happened once all of that fuel ignited. It was such a great tragedy indeed and I still remember watching it on a documentary as if it were only yesterday. Some of those poor people who were still alive to talk about it, it was tragic. **** happens. powerlines fall and kill people too. you work for So Cal edison, doncha? |
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In Rochester, NY, with winter months routinely experiencing long periods of freezing temperatures, gas lines do not freeze up. True, but houses do blow up there. 40 years ago a whole street blew up. I don't remember what it was; a big surge in pressure or something like that. |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:27:07 -0500
Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote: Albert Wagner wrote: It is harder to outrun an explosion than a fire. Let me guess, you don't wear a seat belt in case your car catches fire and the seat belt jams, right? Huh? |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:43:36 -0500
Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote: snip You don't consider the "odds" when rating personal risk, only spectacular occurances. Fires due to electric heaters are much more common but less spectacular than gas explosions. My point was that escaping a fire is easier than escaping an explosion. Do you have any reliable statistics otherwise? |
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Albert Wagner writes:
Like a pilot light? One of the neat things about pilot lights and gas leaks is that since the pilot light is always burning, it is always burning off any gas in its vicinity. So no, a pilot light is unlikely to ignite an explosion as a result of a small gas leak. As for large gas leaks, they just don't happen that often, and as I said before, I'm fairly certain that more people are injured by electricity-related accidents than gas-related accidents. It is harder to outrun an explosion than a fire. Irrelevant if the fires happen much more often than the explosions. I submit that the reason why every pretty much gas leak and explosion is reported in the media is because they happen so rarely. |
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Albert Wagner wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 10:27:07 -0500 Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote: Albert Wagner wrote: It is harder to outrun an explosion than a fire. Let me guess, you don't wear a seat belt in case your car catches fire and the seat belt jams, right? Huh? You don't consider the "odds" when rating personal risk, only spectacular occurances. Fires due to electric heaters are much more common but less spectacular than gas explosions. |
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"Wade Lippman" wrote in message et.net...
True, but houses do blow up there. 40 years ago a whole street blew up. I don't remember what it was; a big surge in pressure or something like that. You know what Mr. Lippman. What you have heard of is by no means an isolated occurrence. Houses explode from gas leaks all the time. The biggest gas line danger in a home are the flexible gas lines that connect the clothes dryer to the gas line along with the stove and the water heater that use the flexible connection as well. DANGEROUS! Here in Cali at least I know that it is illegal for anyone to install a new gas appliance without putting in a new flexible metal gas line. Also what if nobody is home to smell the gas leak? (Vacation most likely, most home owners are not smart enough to shut off the main gas valve before they leave the house) Then it just keeps building up more and more until all 4 houses the 3 surrounding houses included are blown up. There was once incident somewhere in North America where an Elderly couple were getting more and more sick and they would sleep for the whole day through and would have to use crutches. They felt tired all the time and would vomit and they didn't know why. Eventually the house cat (cats have an acute sense of smell) was seen digging in the side of the house. The Lady went up to her cat and noticed that there was a bad odor and a hissing sound from the gas leaking out into the ground. The gas company came with one of those testers that can sense how strong the gas concentration is and it was off the scale. That very same couple are a lot better now but are extremely lucky to be alive. They were suffering from the poisoning and their house was filling up with gas without them knowing. They are lucky that they didn't quite literally blow up. Sure there is a danger using electric appliances as well. The difference is when you introduce gas appliances into the house, you and your loved ones are now more at risk. Every house would have electricity anyway. Having a gas appliance only adds more risks along with a lot more things that can go wrong. Remember, "What ever can go wrong will go wrong." Murphys law... I'm not trying to by like Ralph Nader here going overboard. I'm just saying that now that I am aware of all of the possible dangers involved and the smart thing to do would be to make wise decisions to keep you and your loved ones safe. Wouldn't you want to keep your loved ones safe? There is nothing worse then a parent outliving a child. If for whatever impossible reason I were forced to use gas appliances I would have them all inspected annually and would replace all the flexible gas lines every year. Now if you had to inspect all of your gas equipment and infrastructure annually how is that more frugal then just using the more maintenance free electric appliances in the first place? A burn victim from flash burnings can be the most tragic accidents to live through. I have seen burn victims and it is not pretty seeing them like that uncomfortable no matter what they do. They don't even look human anymore. Being a burn victim is no different then loosing your hearing, loosing your vision or becoming a cripple. It's sad, it's tragic and it's most unfortunate. The worst part about it is that it would have been avoided if only one took the necessary precautions. |
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Pat Meadows wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 11:56:40 GMT, wrote: On 23 Jun 2003 23:02:52 -0700, (Eastward Bound) wrote: There is one other thing, I don't know if Gas lines can freeze up the way water lines do. You can't know everything and I wish somebody would pitch in on the matter. In Rochester, NY, with winter months routinely experiencing long periods of freezing temperatures, gas lines do not freeze up. Not here in northern PA either - our climate is similar to yours. For that matter, I used to live in very seriously cold country - Edmonton, Alberta, CA. Gas lines there didn't freeze up either. Night-time temps of -30 to -40 (F or C - take your pick, it's not much different in that range) were common in Edmonton when we lived there. Oh for heaven's sake. Natural gas is a mixture of compounds, (methane, ethane, propane, isobutane, etc.). Natural gas boils at minus 263 degrees F. Methane, the principle component of natural gas (around 94% of the total by volume), freezes at minus 296.5 degrees F. Precise temperatures will vary with the proportions of the various components. Can natural gas lines freeze? Not in any climate found on Earth. |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:16:12 -0500, Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net
wrote: Eastward Bound wrote: Houses explode from gas leaks all the time. No they don't. Where do you get crap like this? Search www.cnn.com for 'gas leak house explode' found over 5000 hits. Here are 3 examples... http://wcpo.com/news/butlerwarren/oct232002.html http://www.eagletribune.com/news/sto...225/LN_002.htm http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/fires/page3.html |
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n.o@spam writes:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:16:12 -0500, Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote: Eastward Bound wrote: Houses explode from gas leaks all the time. No they don't. Where do you get crap like this? Search www.cnn.com for 'gas leak house explode' found over 5000 hits. Here are 3 examples... First of all, when you type a query into the search box on the www.cnn.com home page and click Search, you aren't actually searching www.cnn.com, you're searching the entire Web. Notice that there are two radio buttons next to the search box with the words "The Web" and "CNN.com" next to them and the one that's checked by default is "The Web". Second, when you search for "gas leak house explode" you're telling Google to find pages that match *any* of those words, not pages that match *all* of them. Third, since you're searching the entire Web, you're finding many pages reporting on the same events, and many other pages talking about the topic without actually mentioning specific events. If you go to www.cnn.com, select the "CNN.com" search rather than searching "The Web", and search for "gas leak house explode", you find only three matches, which is not quite the same as "over 5000". If you search for "gas leak house explosion" instead, you find 68 matches. In contrast, if you search for "electrical fire house", you find 468 matches. I'm not trying to claim that any of this is particularly scientific; I'm merely trying to illustrate that your "over 5000" citation is completely bogus. |
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n.o@spam wrote:
.... Search www.cnn.com for 'gas leak house explode' found over 5000 hits. ..... Try a search for 'electric dryer fire' and you'll get 80,000 hits. Try a search for 'flying saucers abduct cheerleader' and you'll still get at least 2 hits. Can houses with natural gas appliances explode? Yes. Does it happen very often? No. Can houses with electrical appliances burn down and kill everyone? Yes. Does it happen very often? More often than gas leak explosions. If one were really concerned with the safety aspect of natural gas then it would be appropriate to get the correct explosive gas and carbon monoxide alarms installed. These are common in RV's. Anthony |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:11:52 -0400, n.o@spam wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 16:16:12 -0500, Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote: Eastward Bound wrote: Houses explode from gas leaks all the time. No they don't. Where do you get crap like this? Search www.cnn.com for 'gas leak house explode' found over 5000 hits. Here are 3 examples... So did searching for 'gas leak house not explode'... perhaps you need to refine your searching technique. |
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Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote in message ...
Wade Lippman wrote: In Rochester, NY, with winter months routinely experiencing long periods of freezing temperatures, gas lines do not freeze up. True, but houses do blow up there. 40 years ago a whole street blew up. I don't remember what it was; a big surge in pressure or something like that. Yeah, so? I bet you think that travel by car is safer than travel by airplane because when cars crash only a few people (usually) are killed yet when planes crash sometimes hundreds are killed. Bill, back in the mid 90s England was building a bunch of flats (apartments/condos) that were about 30 floors high 50 max. They were based off of a type of construction technology that originated from a northern part of Europe that DID NOT use natural gas. But the most important thing is that they were so cheap to build and they went up rapidly with the cranes because they were so simple in construction. Big mistake. Even though it was a great idea to solve much of England's housing shortage problems, all of these high rises were flawed. They were built like a house of cards because every section of wall and floor all comes together like a puzzle, and gravity plays a big role in keeping it all together. (Some of these buildings were spared when they updated them with reinforces to hold the sections of walls and floors together) This works differently then what is common in north America where we use big columns that are the main support for the building. The outer shell would be to keep out the elements only and didn't support themselves. So The British went ahead and built all of these high rises and were very exited about it because now they had cheap affordable housing for many. The big mistake is that they also installed gas lines and gas appliances into these buildings. About a month after construction of some of the first buildings all hell broke loose when one of the residence left their stove running with no flame (told ya so). The single apartment at the mid section of the building exploded. Because the place was built like a house of cards there was a domino effect. Not the whole building fell down on itself but 1/4 of it was missing in the corner where the apartment had exploded. There was a bunch of deaths and fatalities. They made another wrong decision when they decided to simply shrug it off as an accident as if it couldn't happen again. They couldn't be more wrong. Some time later it happened again (natural gas explosion), this time a lot worse. And I can still see in my head a poor couple who lived to tell about it when their apartment fell down from the rest of the building. "My husband jumped on top of me and said I love you and that the flat (apartment) was falling." After that they started making some big changes. Most of the new apartment buildings where torn down deemed as unsafe. Only one or two of them that weren't built that tall were spared. All they had to do was put in reinforces or fasteners that held each wall and floor section together instead of just relying on gravity to do the job. And of course in the end they ended up removing all gas appliances and infrastructure and installed all electric's in it's place. This was a most unfortunate incident. Two incidents that didn't have to happen. If it's comforting to anyone, at least we might learn from these horrific experiences. The company that built the buildings went belly under and is still in debt till this day. |
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Eastward Bound wrote:
Like what one of the previous posters said, "It's undocumented because it's so frequent." You are so full of bull**** that it's funny. |
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n.o@spam wrote:
Search www.cnn.com for 'gas leak house explode' found over 5000 hits. Here are 3 examples... Learn to do a web search properly, your search is meaningless as others point out. From the Consumer Product Safety Commmission and National Fire Protection Association: quotes Most home fires start in living rooms. Second is bedrooms, third is kitchens. The leading cause of fatal home fire is smoking, followed by: arson, heating equipment, electrical distribution equipment, and then children playing with fire. The number one cause in home fire resulting in injury, however, is cooking equipment. Cooking is the leading cause of home fires in the U.S. It is also the leading cause of fire injuries. Cooking fires often result from unattended cooking and human error, rather than mechanical failure of stoves or ovens. Two of every three home heating fires in the U.S. in 1998, and three of every four related deaths, were attributed to space heating equipment. /quotes So, let's see. Most fires start in the living room and bedroom where you are extremely unlikely to find any natural gas equipment. The fires that start in the 3rd most likely place, the kitchen, aren't caused by equipment failure. Of the fires caused by heating equipment most of the fires and even more of the deaths are due to space heaters. I've never seen a space heater that was run by natural gas, most of them are electric. |
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Eastward Bound wrote:
Same thing with commercial airliners. As I thought, you don't understand how to evaluate personal risk. I bet you fear tornados more than lightning, too, right? |
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 15:02:49 +0000 (UTC),
(Jonathan Kamens) wrote: As for large gas leaks, they just don't happen that often, and as I said before, I'm fairly certain that more people are injured by electricity-related accidents than gas-related accidents. Death caused by electricity (both directly via electrocution, and by short-circuit induced fire) is at least several magnitudes more a concern than the dangers involved with natural gas leaks. It's funny how in the earthquake capitol of the USA, Gas is king, by far. Propane is more of a concern than natural gas, being heavier than air. -- BRENT - The Usenet typo king. :) Fast Times At Ridgemont High Info http://www.FastTimesAtRidgemontHigh.org Voted #87 - American Film Institute's Top 100 Funniest American Films |
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On 23 Jun 2003 23:02:52 -0700, (Eastward
Bound) wrote: The Advantage of a house with all electric appliances instead of gas is that you don't have to run natural gas lines through the home. fear-monger much? -- BRENT - The Usenet typo king. :) Fast Times At Ridgemont High Info http://www.FastTimesAtRidgemontHigh.org Voted #87 - American Film Institute's Top 100 Funniest American Films |
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"Eastward Bound" wrote in message
om... The wrong lesson was learned. The correct lesson is to build high-rise apartments in such a manner that isolated damage will not result in the failure of the entire structure. Oh but the fact remains that Natural gas is risky business. It was, is and always will be more dangerous and it will put more at risk when things go wrong. Maybe you would be singing a different tune if your house was pulverized from a gas leak? Or maybe you would see things more clearly if only you could have seen those scorched bodies personally so that you can get a whiff of the sell of cooked/burned human flesh. There is no *running away* from a gas explosion. It's all or nothing, you either get burned/killed or your survive it as a burn victim. Same thing with commercial airliners. You either make it to your destination, or everyone on board dies. That is the trade off for economy and convenience. The trade off is risks and danger. Lots of it. There is no running from a gas explosion. There are no fender-benders thousands of feet up in the air. Relax. You're not going to make it out of here alive anyway. Since you are obviously a fearful sort of person, I sure hope you don't ever drive or ride in a car. Checked the stats on that lately? |
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Bill Seurer wrote in message ... Of the fires caused by heating equipment most of the fires and even more of the deaths are due to space heaters. I've never seen a space heater that was run by natural gas, most of them are electric. Where I grew up, in western New England, gas space heaters were (and are) quite common. A lot of the housing stock was built before central heating was the norm, so places had no ductwork. Putting in a gas line was a relatively cheap retrofit - the line would feed a "gas and gas" stove (gas cooking and gas space heating) in the kitchen, probably a gas hot water heater also in a corner of the kitchen, and a gas space heater in the living room. The kitchen stove space heater wouldn't have a fan to distribute the heat, but the living room space heater usually did. If you wanted heat in the bedrooms, you left the bedroom doors open so that warm(er) air could drift in from one of the heated rooms. The heaters were thermostatically controlled but you couldn't set a temperature - settings were marked Off, 1, 2, 3...,9, Max. The spiffier models had a glass panel in front so you could see the fire. While visually somewhat obtrusive, they're pretty cosy. |
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Albert Wagner wrote in message ... On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 10:34:12 -0500 Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote: snip Of the fires caused by heating equipment most of the fires and even more of the deaths are due to space heaters. I've never seen a space heater that was run by natural gas, most of them are electric. When I was growing up each room in a house had a valve in the wall for natural gas space heaters. This was before central or wall heaters became common. I imagine that many of the old houses still have such valves and many probably still use natural gas space heaters. I have no doubt that the causes of fire due to electrical problems, which you point out, are true. But as a previous poster pointed out: there is no such thing as an all gas house; Even gas appliances require electricity; So that even with gas appliances you have the same risk of fire due to electrical problems; when you add gas appliances to the mix, you add additional sources of fire on top of electrical sources. I've had two gas stoves (both in rented apartments) and an aunt had one for her whole adult life, that had no need of electricity. You lit the burners and the oven with a pilot light, or a match. No oven light bulb, no clock on the stove, nothing electrical at all. Not all gas appliances require electricity. Or at least, not all gas appliances always did. |
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Same thing with commercial airliners. You either make it to your destination, or everyone on board dies. *coff*(bull****) *coff* |
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Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote in message ...
Eastward Bound wrote: Like what one of the previous posters said, "It's undocumented because it's so frequent." You are so full of bull**** that it's funny. Oh so now little Billy has resorted to name calling. Fact of life kid: if you are going to act like a child then you are going to be treated like a child. |
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Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote in message ...
Oh Billy boooooyyyyyyyyyyyy... http://www.angelfire.com/ri2/fires/images/exp2.jpg See what happened to your house that you were still struggling to pay the rent for? Too bad you were using Gas Appliances. So sad Billy boy so sad. If only you were listening, this unfortunate event could have been avoided. What a waste, this didn't have to happen. Too bad Billy boy, much too bad... |
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Chloe wrote:
"Eastward Bound" wrote in message om... There is no running from a gas explosion. There are no fender-benders thousands of feet up in the air. Since you are obviously a fearful sort of person, I sure hope you don't ever drive or ride in a car. Checked the stats on that lately? I wonder if EB realizes that gasoline is much more explosive than natural gas? Poor guy won't want to go anywhere any more with all those bombs driving around out there just waiting to blow up! |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:25:43 -0500
Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net wrote: snip The destruction from any sort of fire is memorable too. I saw a grain elevator explode once. The fireball shot hundreds of feet up into the air and completely destroyed the huge building. That doesn't stop me from eating cereal and pasta, though. But I bet you think twice before building next to a grain elevator. |
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On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 09:49:39 -0500, Bill Seurer Bill_AT_seurer.net
wrote: Chloe wrote: "Eastward Bound" wrote in message om... There is no running from a gas explosion. There are no fender-benders thousands of feet up in the air. Since you are obviously a fearful sort of person, I sure hope you don't ever drive or ride in a car. Checked the stats on that lately? I wonder if EB realizes that gasoline is much more explosive than natural gas? Poor guy won't want to go anywhere any more with all those bombs driving around out there just waiting to blow up! No kidding. I bet he mows his one-acre yard with a B&D electric mower, too. Or perhaps even a push reel one! |
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Chloe wrote:
With all due respect, EB writes like someone who has suffered a personal loss due to a home gas explosion. Personal loss is no excuse for fear mongering and outright lies. I know of two that have happened in areas near where I live over the last 8 or 10 years or so. The destruction, when viewed, is memorable. The destruction from any sort of fire is memorable too. I saw a grain elevator explode once. The fireball shot hundreds of feet up into the air and completely destroyed the huge building. That doesn't stop me from eating cereal and pasta, though. |
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begin On 25 Jun 2003 13:17:50 -0700, Eastward Bound wrote: The wrong lesson was learned. The correct lesson is to build high-rise apartments in such a manner that isolated damage will not result in the failure of the entire structure. Oh but the fact remains that Natural gas is risky business. It was, is and always will be more dangerous and it will put more at risk when things go wrong. so is living Maybe you would be singing a different tune if your house was pulverized from a gas leak? Or maybe you would see things more clearly if only you could have seen those scorched bodies personally so that you can get a whiff of the ....insane rant snipped There is no running from a gas explosion. There are no fender-benders thousands of feet up in the air. You use electric heat and an electric car? If you use a lawn mower, it's electric too, right? Do you ever enter residences using gas? They have drugs nowadays that can help you. |
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Albert Wagner wrote in message .. .
On 24 Jun 2003 21:14:43 -0700 (Eastward Bound) wrote: snip The single apartment at the mid section of the building exploded. Because the place was built like a house of cards there was a domino effect. Not the whole building fell down on itself but 1/4 of it was missing in the corner where the apartment had exploded. snip I saw that on TV. Really peculiar looking; all the apartments on one corner neatly sheared off. This only goes to show just how dangerous Gas used in the home can be. EastBound- |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:41:25 GMT
Jeff Cochran wrote: snip ...that's over four tons. Even as dead weight, that's a fair load, not to mention movement. Nobody would think of parking two compact cars on that porch and expect it to stand up. children would |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:41:25 GMT
Jeff Cochran wrote: snip ...that's over four tons. Even as dead weight, that's a fair load, not to mention movement. Nobody would think of parking two compact cars on that porch and expect it to stand up. children would |
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On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 01:41:25 GMT
Jeff Cochran wrote: snip ...that's over four tons. Even as dead weight, that's a fair load, not to mention movement. Nobody would think of parking two compact cars on that porch and expect it to stand up. children would |
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