I had a question i wondered if anyone could answer. If you take a pipe and
hammer it into the ground in your yard and connect a wire to it,,and use
that as the negative wire,,then connect a wire to your ac outlet to the hot
wire. It reads on a meter around 110 volts but at a lower amperage. So if
you used that to say charge batteries would it bypass your house meter and
its working hall effect principal?? Would this be almost like free power if
it dont register on the meter,,even if its at a lower amperage? Any comments
appreciated..

On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:19:24 -0500, "steve"
wrote:

I had a question i wondered if anyone could answer. If you take a pipe and
hammer it into the ground in your yard and connect a wire to it,,and use
that as the negative wire,,then connect a wire to your ac outlet to the hot
wire. It reads on a meter around 110 volts but at a lower amperage. So if
you used that to say charge batteries would it bypass your house meter and
its working hall effect principal?? Would this be almost like free power if
it dont register on the meter,,even if its at a lower amperage? Any comments
appreciated..


1. Hall effect? g

2. Let's say it would work (it won't). The power company would quickly
catch on (they have ways, many times checked each tiem the meter is
read..)

3. Won't work. The hot side will still go through the meter. The cold
side doesn't (other than a jumper wire, but the meter doesn't measure
the cold side currnet). This is why millions of people don't already
do this! (think about it...)

4. Want free power? Try:

a. Wind.
b. Geo-thermal (where you have it)
c. Solar (expensive, pays for itself in only 20 years or so).
d. Water... If you have moving water, and no regulations on what
you can do iwth it, water powered generators are very feasible. For
both Wind and water, use an automotive alternator/storage battery
configuration, then a power inverter to create your 120 volt AC. There
are thousands who do this today, and if you have water or wind on a
steady basis you may be able to generate a substantial portion of your
needs.

But as to bypassing the meter... No, you can't do it that way.

thanks for your reply, actually the questions came out wrong, I was not
trying to steal power, would do a better job and not speak of it if I was
lol, but many of my questions sometimes come out wrong, but at least you
responded in a not so harsh manner. Posted the same question on
aus.electronics,,and they seemed to freak and come down on my question a bit
harsh, so thanks for the reply, steve

"PeterD" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:19:24 -0500, "steve"
wrote:

I had a question i wondered if anyone could answer. If you take a pipe
and
hammer it into the ground in your yard and connect a wire to it,,and use
that as the negative wire,,then connect a wire to your ac outlet to the
hot
wire. It reads on a meter around 110 volts but at a lower amperage. So if
you used that to say charge batteries would it bypass your house meter
and
its working hall effect principal?? Would this be almost like free power
if
it dont register on the meter,,even if its at a lower amperage? Any
comments
appreciated..


1. Hall effect? g

2. Let's say it would work (it won't). The power company would quickly
catch on (they have ways, many times checked each tiem the meter is
read..)

3. Won't work. The hot side will still go through the meter. The cold
side doesn't (other than a jumper wire, but the meter doesn't measure
the cold side currnet). This is why millions of people don't already
do this! (think about it...)

4. Want free power? Try:

a. Wind.
b. Geo-thermal (where you have it)
c. Solar (expensive, pays for itself in only 20 years or so).
d. Water... If you have moving water, and no regulations on what
you can do iwth it, water powered generators are very feasible. For
both Wind and water, use an automotive alternator/storage battery
configuration, then a power inverter to create your 120 volt AC. There
are thousands who do this today, and if you have water or wind on a
steady basis you may be able to generate a substantial portion of your
needs.

But as to bypassing the meter... No, you can't do it that way.

On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:38:34 -0500, "steve"
wrote:

thanks for your reply, actually the questions came out wrong, I was not
trying to steal power, would do a better job and not speak of it if I was
lol, but many of my questions sometimes come out wrong, but at least you
responded in a not so harsh manner. Posted the same question on
aus.electronics,,and they seemed to freak and come down on my question a bit
harsh, so thanks for the reply, steve


I did leave out one thing (not intentionally) that being that there is
already *exactly* what you describe at your meter now! There *must* be
a ground rod (to meet code, for safety) that is pernamently bound to
the neutral conductor of the power system.

"steve" wrote in message
...
I had a question i wondered if anyone could answer. If you take a pipe and
hammer it into the ground in your yard and connect a wire to it,,and use
that as the negative wire,,then connect a wire to your ac outlet to the
hot
wire. It reads on a meter around 110 volts but at a lower amperage. So if
you used that to say charge batteries would it bypass your house meter and
its working hall effect principal?? Would this be almost like free power
if
it dont register on the meter,,even if its at a lower amperage? Any
comments
appreciated..

Trying to keep it not too technical ... suppose you have a VCR with a 2
prong AC plug and the negative wire in that plug was open ... the VCR still
turns on because the negative side is feeding thru the negative input and/or
output phono cable (shock potential, does happen), are you getting free
power for your VCR?

Cordially,
west

"PeterD" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:19:24 -0500, "steve"
wrote:

I had a question i wondered if anyone could answer. If you take a pipe
and
hammer it into the ground in your yard and connect a wire to it,,and use
that as the negative wire,,then connect a wire to your ac outlet to the
hot
wire. It reads on a meter around 110 volts but at a lower amperage. So if
you used that to say charge batteries would it bypass your house meter
and
its working hall effect principal?? Would this be almost like free power
if
it dont register on the meter,,even if its at a lower amperage? Any
comments
appreciated..


1. Hall effect? g

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_Effect

agreed g!

2. Let's say it would work (it won't). The power company would quickly
catch on (they have ways, many times checked each tiem the meter is
read..)

3. Won't work. The hot side will still go through the meter. The cold
side doesn't (other than a jumper wire, but the meter doesn't measure
the cold side currnet). This is why millions of people don't already
do this! (think about it...)

4. Want free power? Try:

a. Wind.
b. Geo-thermal (where you have it)
c. Solar (expensive, pays for itself in only 20 years or so).
d. Water... If you have moving water, and no regulations on what
you can do iwth it, water powered generators are very feasible. For
both Wind and water, use an automotive alternator/storage battery
configuration, then a power inverter to create your 120 volt AC. There
are thousands who do this today, and if you have water or wind on a
steady basis you may be able to generate a substantial portion of your
needs.

But as to bypassing the meter... No, you can't do it that way.

A *really* powerful magnet like out of a Magnetron valve in a micrwave oven
might slow down the rotating aluminium disc in the meter a bit and save you
*some* cash, but if it's a modern electronic meter, you're stuffed.

Simple answer: Turn off your MAIN Breaker so there is nothing "on" and the
meter stops. Connect your load as envisioned to the mains before the
breakers and watch the meter. If it moves, you're getting charged. If not,
its Free power.


"steve" wrote in message
...
I had a question i wondered if anyone could answer. If you take a pipe and
hammer it into the ground in your yard and connect a wire to it,,and use
that as the negative wire,,then connect a wire to your ac outlet to the
hot
wire. It reads on a meter around 110 volts but at a lower amperage. So if
you used that to say charge batteries would it bypass your house meter and
its working hall effect principal?? Would this be almost like free power
if
it dont register on the meter,,even if its at a lower amperage? Any
comments
appreciated..

A 60hz phased mag fld will slow the meter down , but Teslas maybe
very high , deminishing returns ....

___________________________________________
PeterD wrote:
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 12:19:24 -0500, "steve"
wrote:

I had a question i wondered if anyone could answer. If you take a pipe and
hammer it into the ground in your yard and connect a wire to it,,and use
that as the negative wire,,then connect a wire to your ac outlet to the hot
wire. It reads on a meter around 110 volts but at a lower amperage. So if
you used that to say charge batteries would it bypass your house meter and
its working hall effect principal?? Would this be almost like free power if
it dont register on the meter,,even if its at a lower amperage? Any comments
appreciated..


1. Hall effect? g

2. Let's say it would work (it won't). The power company would quickly
catch on (they have ways, many times checked each tiem the meter is
read..)

3. Won't work. The hot side will still go through the meter. The cold
side doesn't (other than a jumper wire, but the meter doesn't measure
the cold side currnet). This is why millions of people don't already
do this! (think about it...)

4. Want free power? Try:

a. Wind.
b. Geo-thermal (where you have it)
c. Solar (expensive, pays for itself in only 20 years or so).
d. Water... If you have moving water, and no regulations on what
you can do iwth it, water powered generators are very feasible. For
both Wind and water, use an automotive alternator/storage battery
configuration, then a power inverter to create your 120 volt AC. There
are thousands who do this today, and if you have water or wind on a
steady basis you may be able to generate a substantial portion of your
needs.

But as to bypassing the meter... No, you can't do it that way.