Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

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most cost-effective service?
SynKore is your perfect option!
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www.idealpcb.com,
www.advpcb.com,

On 17 Apr 2006 23:32:38 -0700, wrote:

Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

---
Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in
China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full
retail price of the item in the injured party's currency.

Either that, or kill the pirates.


--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

John Fields wrote:
On 17 Apr 2006 23:32:38 -0700, wrote:

Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre
Dame. Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design
software company. He asked me about the electronic design industry
in China. He told me that everyone knows that China is a huge
market
but most company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the
high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10
yrs, I understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government
has realized this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy
in a country like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best
way to solve the piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

---
Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in
China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full
retail price of the item in the injured party's currency.

Either that, or kill the pirates.

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

--


Alexander

_______________________________________
We are what we repeatedly do. - Aristotle,

"Alexander" wrote in message
...
If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

If you make everything at Wal*Mart free there is no need for shoplifting.

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.


Um, so how would a software business function.
Maybe software should be resonably priced.

Regards
Dave

--


Alexander

_______________________________________
We are what we repeatedly do. - Aristotle,



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On 2006-04-18, Dave wrote:

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

Um, so how would a software business function.

people would pay it money to write software.

Bye.
Jasen

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:38:44 +0200, "Alexander"
wrote:

John Fields wrote:

---
Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in
China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full
retail price of the item in the injured party's currency.

Either that, or kill the pirates.

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

---
You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in
the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which
considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of
recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be
not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from
a dog who dug it up and is playing with it.

Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
you ****ing asshole.

Grrrrr....

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:38:50 -0500, John Fields
wrote:

On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:38:44 +0200, "Alexander"
wrote:

John Fields wrote:

---
Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in
China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full
retail price of the item in the injured party's currency.

Either that, or kill the pirates.

If you make the software free there is no need for piracy.

---
You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in
the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which
considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of
recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be
not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from
a dog who dug it up and is playing with it.

Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
you ****ing asshole.

Grrrrr....

Dammit, John! Could you be more direct? I'm having trouble figuring
out what you mean ;-)

...Jim Thompson
--
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona Voice480)460-2350 | |
| E-mail Address at Website Fax480)460-2142 | Brass Rat |
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Old Latin teachers never die...they just decline

On 2006-04-18, John Fields wrote:

You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

Theft is theft

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

Bye.
Jasen

"Jasen Betts" wrote in message
...
On 2006-04-18, John Fields wrote:

You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

Theft is theft

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

Bye.
Jasen

That's an opinion at odds with the masses (of non-thieves, anyway).

Ken

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:41:42 -0000, Jasen Betts
wrote:

On 2006-04-18, John Fields wrote:

You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults
that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in
the first place.

Theft is theft

Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft.

---
Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws,
would there?

Taking something written by someone else and using it without the
author's permission is theft.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

John Fields wrote:

Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
you ****ing asshole.

Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there.

'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots
on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as
many copies as you like for little or no cost.

If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy.

It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from
someone.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:46:41 +0800, Simon Scott
wrote:

John Fields wrote:

Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,
you ****ing asshole.

Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there.

'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots
on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as
many copies as you like for little or no cost.

---
True, but if the pattern of dots isn't of your own making, then
copying them without the permission of the person who organized them
is stealing. Same a Xeroxing a book or counterfeiting cash is
stealing.
---

If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy.

---
But you _do_ lose the income which was rightfully yours had they
bought the software instead of copying/stealing it.
---

It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from
someone.

---
Actually, it's not. They're both taking something from someone
without permission.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:46:41 +0800, Simon Scott
wrote:

Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there.

'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots
on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as
many copies as you like for little or no cost.

If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy.

It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from
someone.


It's not about your physical copy of the software, it's about
getting paid for your efforts. How do you provide yourself with
food, clothing, and shelter if you are working for free? Or
do you think all software should be written on a hobby basis by
people who make their living doing something else during the
day? (Like maybe at one of those jobs that's about to be
outsourced!)

Just a thought...




Bob Masta
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"Simon Scott" wrote in message
...
'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots
on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as
many copies as you like for little or no cost.

If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy.

It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from
someone.

If you head down this path of reasoning, it seems to me it should follow
that -- if piracy is OK -- it's also OK to "partially" steal anything you want
from Wal*Mart by deducting any profit they would have otherwise made from
selling that product.

There's nothing wrong with companies being paid to design software and/or
hardware and then selling it for the cost of the copies -- which approaches
zero in the case of software --, but there's also nothing wrong with a
business model that says you want to make a profit on each and every copy
sold, regardless of the price of copying.

John Fields wrote:
Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,

Actually, it's more like what Jesus did, since he made a whole bunch of
copies of fish and gave them away for free. And who wouldn't want to be
more like Jesus?

On 19 Apr 2006 08:17:55 -0700, "
wrote:


John Fields wrote:
Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,

Actually, it's more like what Jesus did, since he made a whole bunch of
copies of fish and gave them away for free. And who wouldn't want to be
more like Jesus?

---
I'm sure he had permission from the author of the fish.

--
John Fields
Professional Circuit Designer

" wrote:

John Fields wrote:
Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone
who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper,

Actually, it's more like what Jesus did, since he made a whole bunch of
copies of fish and gave them away for free. And who wouldn't want to be
more like Jesus?


He had to make the fish. The bible says: "Man shall not live by
bread alone."


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On 17 Apr 2006 23:32:38 -0700, wrote:

Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

Seeking for a customer centered PCB fabricator with high-quality and
most cost-effective service?
SynKore is your perfect option!
Send email to or visit
www.idealpcb.com,
www.advpcb.com,

I have some bad experience myself. My suggestion is to give people
from outside China the possibility to report crimes in China. A simple
website would do. And then make sure that there is a Chinese police
foce that tracks those criminals down.

Pieter

On 17 Apr 2006 23:32:38 -0700, wrote:

Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software
company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He
told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most
company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy.

Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech
industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher
costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I
understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized
this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country
like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the
piracy problem?

Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Thank you in advance!

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12425693/ Has a possible solution for China .
.. . price the DVD's low enough to compete with the pirates - make
money with the quantity of sales instead of trying to balance on the
cusp of "what the market will bear," in typical cartel/capitalist
style.
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