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How to stop Piracy?
Several days ago, I got one call from my under-classmate in Notre Dame.
Now he worked as the sales director in one famous design software company. He asked me about the electronic design industry in China. He told me that everyone knows that China is a huge market but most company hesitates to enter China market due to piracy. Everyone knows that piracy has a significant impact on the high-tech industry, resulting in lost jobs, decreased innovation and higher costs. As a Chinese who has been working in USA for more than 10 yrs, I understand his worry and I also believe Chinese government has realized this. But it seems a mission impossible to stop piracy in a country like China. But could anyone tell me what's the best way to solve the piracy problem? Any advice will be greatly appreciated! Thank you in advance! Seeking for a customer centered PCB fabricator with high-quality and most cost-effective service? SynKore is your perfect option! Send email to or visit www.idealpcb.com, www.advpcb.com, |
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"Alexander" wrote in message
... If you make the software free there is no need for piracy. If you make everything at Wal*Mart free there is no need for shoplifting. |
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If you make the software free there is no need for piracy. Um, so how would a software business function. Maybe software should be resonably priced. Regards Dave -- Alexander _______________________________________ We are what we repeatedly do. - Aristotle, *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com *** |
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:38:44 +0200, "Alexander"
wrote: John Fields wrote: --- Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full retail price of the item in the injured party's currency. Either that, or kill the pirates. If you make the software free there is no need for piracy. --- You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in the first place. It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from a dog who dug it up and is playing with it. Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, you ****ing asshole. Grrrrr.... -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 16:38:50 -0500, John Fields
wrote: On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 20:38:44 +0200, "Alexander" wrote: John Fields wrote: --- Simple. For every instance that a pirated item is dicovered in China, the Chinese government will pay the injured party the full retail price of the item in the injured party's currency. Either that, or kill the pirates. If you make the software free there is no need for piracy. --- You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in the first place. It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from a dog who dug it up and is playing with it. Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, you ****ing asshole. Grrrrr.... Dammit, John! Could you be more direct? I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Old Latin teachers never die...they just decline |
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On 2006-04-18, Dave wrote:
If you make the software free there is no need for piracy. Um, so how would a software business function. people would pay it money to write software. Bye. Jasen |
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On 2006-04-18, John Fields wrote:
You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in the first place. Theft is theft Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft. Bye. Jasen |
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"Jasen Betts" wrote in message
... On 2006-04-18, John Fields wrote: You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in the first place. Theft is theft Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft. Bye. Jasen That's an opinion at odds with the masses (of non-thieves, anyway). Ken |
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John Fields wrote:
Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, you ****ing asshole. Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there. 'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as many copies as you like for little or no cost. If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy. It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from someone. |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:41:42 -0000, Jasen Betts
wrote: On 2006-04-18, John Fields wrote: You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in the first place. Theft is theft Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft. --- Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws, would there? Taking something written by someone else and using it without the author's permission is theft. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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On 19 Apr 2006 01:27:17 -0700, "eden"
wrote: You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in the first place. It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from a dog who dug it up and is playing with it. If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is small issue comparing to their police role here and there. --- We treat our friends well, and we treat our enemies and our friends' enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about. The topic is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change the attitude of the Chinese government. --- Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, you ****ing asshole. I guess now is their time. Europian nations were stealing from the world for centuries (and still do in some ways). --- So what? Two wrongs don't make a right. --- What would you do if you have 2 bilion of people, mainly poor? You will go to every vilige to shot down every small pirate factory when you can't offer something better? Anyway, I don't try to defend the pirates, --- Of course you do. You're saying that because they're poor and can't afford to buy software legally it's OK for them to buy it cheaply from someone someone who has stolen it. --- just the global picture is not that simple --- You don't have a clue. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:46:41 +0800, Simon Scott
wrote: John Fields wrote: Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, you ****ing asshole. Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there. 'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as many copies as you like for little or no cost. --- True, but if the pattern of dots isn't of your own making, then copying them without the permission of the person who organized them is stealing. Same a Xeroxing a book or counterfeiting cash is stealing. --- If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy. --- But you _do_ lose the income which was rightfully yours had they bought the software instead of copying/stealing it. --- It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from someone. --- Actually, it's not. They're both taking something from someone without permission. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:46:41 +0800, Simon Scott
wrote: Im a software dev John, but I cant agree there. 'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as many copies as you like for little or no cost. If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy. It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from someone. It's not about your physical copy of the software, it's about getting paid for your efforts. How do you provide yourself with food, clothing, and shelter if you are working for free? Or do you think all software should be written on a hobby basis by people who make their living doing something else during the day? (Like maybe at one of those jobs that's about to be outsourced!) Just a thought... Bob Masta dqatechATdaqartaDOTcom D A Q A R T A Data AcQuisition And Real-Time Analysis www.daqarta.com Home of DaqGen, the FREEWARE signal generator |
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John Fields wrote:
On 19 Apr 2006 01:27:17 -0700, "eden" wrote: You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in the first place. It's not. Theft is theft, and the fault lies in the thief and, in the case of China, with the mindset of the Chinese government, which considers all non-Chinese to be barbarians and barely worthy of recognition, so stealing from us is condoned and is considered to be not much different than taking a brightly colored colored stone from a dog who dug it up and is playing with it. If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is small issue comparing to their police role here and there. --- We treat our friends well, and we treat our enemies and our friends' enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about. The topic is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change the attitude of the Chinese government. I would say you (US Gov.) mind your interests only (as anybody else). And I don't believe we here can change the attitude of he Chinese government. Their mind their own interests, and at the moment I guess piracy is not their main warry. They don't have big music or sw industry to protect. They have many unemployeed. --- Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, you ****ing asshole. I guess now is their time. Europian nations were stealing from the world for centuries (and still do in some ways). --- So what? Two wrongs don't make a right. --- What would you do if you have 2 bilion of people, mainly poor? You will go to every vilige to shot down every small pirate factory when you can't offer something better? Anyway, I don't try to defend the pirates, --- Of course you do. You're saying that because they're poor and can't afford to buy software legally it's OK for them to buy it cheaply from someone someone who has stolen it. --- Buying pirate CDs would not concerning me so much. Big producers are the problem. If somebody opens a shop near you and you can get there cheap software, is not you the one that makes the crime. just the global picture is not that simple --- You don't have a clue. I know. Goran |
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John Fields wrote: Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, Actually, it's more like what Jesus did, since he made a whole bunch of copies of fish and gave them away for free. And who wouldn't want to be more like Jesus? |
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On 19 Apr 2006 08:17:55 -0700, "
wrote: John Fields wrote: Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, Actually, it's more like what Jesus did, since he made a whole bunch of copies of fish and gave them away for free. And who wouldn't want to be more like Jesus? --- I'm sure he had permission from the author of the fish. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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John Fields wrote: I'm sure he had permission from the author of the fish. Nice! |
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"Simon Scott" wrote in message
... 'Software' is not a physical thing - its a bunch of magnetic or optical dots on a disk. There is an infinite supply, in terms of being able to make as many copies as you like for little or no cost. If somebody copies my software, I dont lose my copy. It is very, very, *very* different to stealing a physical object from someone. If you head down this path of reasoning, it seems to me it should follow that -- if piracy is OK -- it's also OK to "partially" steal anything you want from Wal*Mart by deducting any profit they would have otherwise made from selling that product. There's nothing wrong with companies being paid to design software and/or hardware and then selling it for the cost of the copies -- which approaches zero in the case of software --, but there's also nothing wrong with a business model that says you want to make a profit on each and every copy sold, regardless of the price of copying. |
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On 19 Apr 2006 08:35:37 -0700, "
wrote: John Fields wrote: I'm sure he had permission from the author of the fish. Nice! --- :-) -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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There's nothing wrong with companies being paid to design software
and/or hardware and then selling it for the cost of the copies -- which approaches zero in the case of software --, but there's also nothing wrong with a business model that says you want to make a profit on each and every copy sold, regardless of the price of copying. ========================================= Of course there's nothing wrong. It's just a perfectly legal confidence trick. Nothing to do with stealing anything.. It's just a very minor part of the Capitalist System. You vote for it and that's what you get. Just carry on as usual without thinking of complaining. There's nobody there to complain to anyway. You set of poor, juvenile, deprived, innocent suckers! ======================================= |
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" wrote:
John Fields wrote: Stealing software is no different from taking a fish from someone who caught it instead of going out and fishing for your own supper, Actually, it's more like what Jesus did, since he made a whole bunch of copies of fish and gave them away for free. And who wouldn't want to be more like Jesus? He had to make the fish. The bible says: "Man shall not live by bread alone." -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:50:08 +0100, "Reg Edwards"
wrote: There's nothing wrong with companies being paid to design software and/or hardware and then selling it for the cost of the copies -- which approaches zero in the case of software --, but there's also nothing wrong with a business model that says you want to make a profit on each and every copy sold, regardless of the price of copying. ========================================= Of course there's nothing wrong. It's just a perfectly legal confidence trick. Nothing to do with stealing anything.. It's just a very minor part of the Capitalist System. You vote for it and that's what you get. Just carry on as usual without thinking of complaining. There's nobody there to complain to anyway. You set of poor, juvenile, deprived, innocent suckers! ======================================= Thus speaks Reg "The Demented One" Edwards ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Old Latin teachers never die...they just decline |
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John Fields wrote:
Theft is theft Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft. Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws, would there? If it was theft, there would be no desire for copyright laws. Take note that copyright only applies to works with creative content. Trivial stuff is not covered. Thomas |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:52:02 +0200, Zak wrote:
John Fields wrote: Theft is theft Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft. Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws, would there? If it was theft, there would be no desire for copyright laws. Take note that copyright only applies to works with creative content. Trivial stuff is not covered. Thomas Ehhhh? ANYTHING can be copyrighted, but common usage words have been adjudicated out (for the most part). ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Old Latin teachers never die...they just decline |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:45:35 -0500, John Fields wrote:
On 19 Apr 2006 01:27:17 -0700, "eden" wrote: If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is small issue comparing to their police role here and there. We treat our friends well, and we treat our enemies and our friends' enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about. The topic is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change ^^^^^^ the attitude of the Chinese government. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Key, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking? Thanks! Rich -- Elect Me President in 2008! I will: A. Fire the IRS, and abolish the income tax B. Legalize drugs C. Stand down all military actions by the US that don't involve actual military aggression against US territory D. Declare World Peace I. |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:52:02 +0200, Zak wrote:
John Fields wrote: Theft is theft Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft. Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws, would there? If it was theft, there would be no desire for copyright laws. --- That's ridiculous. It _is_ theft, and that's why the laws are in place; to deal with the crime when it's committed. --- Take note that copyright only applies to works with creative content. Trivial stuff is not covered. --- Since the act of writing is in itself creative, (unless you're copying something which somebody else wrote) copyright applies to all written work. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:08:55 GMT, "Rich Grise, PLainclothes Hippie"
wrote: On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:45:35 -0500, John Fields wrote: On 19 Apr 2006 01:27:17 -0700, "eden" wrote: If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is small issue comparing to their police role here and there. We treat our friends well, and we treat our enemies and our friends' enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about. The topic is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change ^^^^^^ the attitude of the Chinese government. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Key, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking? Seems like you've got your own stash: ------ / / / -- / Elect Me President in 2008! I will: A. Fire the IRS, and abolish the income tax B. Legalize drugs C. Stand down all military actions by the US that don't involve actual military aggression against US territory D. Declare World Peace I. -- John Fields Professional Circuit Designer |
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Carl Smith wrote:
In article , says... --- But you _do_ lose the income which was rightfully yours had they bought the software instead of copying/stealing it. --- While this is completely true, I think the software industry's estimated losses due to piracy are greatly inflated by one thing. I believe that only a small amount of pirated software would have actually been bought had the pirate not been able to steal it. There is no loss if income if the pirate would never have bought it anyway. I also think that some piracy actually results in increased sales. In particular with things like PCB layout software. Most legitimate businesses buy the EDA tools they need. But home hobby guy is never going to shell out $5000 for a PCB layout program like Protel (I bring this one up because there used to be cracks for it all over the net). But when that home hobby guy gets a real job and the pointy haired boss asks what PCB software they need, he will immediately suggest Protel because that's what he knows how to use now. Now, I don't mean to imply that this makes piracy right. But it isn't all as bad as some people would have you believe. That's pretty much my position - it becomes a "Bad" thing when companies think they can use pirated software though, even on an 'unofficial trial' basis. I'd add that there's no indication that innovation or profits have suffered due to piracy. Piracy has been going on since the industry started - I seem to recall some people have written some new software, done some new things, made a bit of money...... Cheers. Ken |
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On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:08:55 GMT, "Rich Grise, PLainclothes Hippie"
wrote: On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:45:35 -0500, John Fields wrote: On 19 Apr 2006 01:27:17 -0700, "eden" wrote: If you are talking about governments, the US is not a good example of treating good non-US nations around the world. The piracy problem is small issue comparing to their police role here and there. We treat our friends well, and we treat our enemies and our friends' enemies badly, but that's not what we're talking about. The topic is how to stop piracy, and one avenue of approach would be to change ^^^^^^ the attitude of the Chinese government. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Key, can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking? You'd also have to change the attitude of 1.3 bn people. Might be easier to change the attitudes of the few hundred millions who are whining about it. Just one mobile phone company (China Mobile) has 200 million customers! It's interesting that, in some ways, the governments in countries such as China is actually more answerable for *results* than those in democracies. In free-market democracies, you supposedly get what you vote for (though you'll probably not be asked questions that could yield answers that threaten powerful interests unless there's an even more powerful domestic interest that is fighting it in public). If things go wrong, it's the market, it's what you voted for, it's always someone else (or no one at all) that's to blame. Historically, monarchies and other totalitarian governments have had lower steady-state total tax loads than democracies-- part of the reason a capitalist economic system can do well in conjuction with such systems. I don't have a problem with copyright laws one way or the other.. I could imagine there being very strong or very weak laws. It's not a moral issue, IMO, just a contract that uses public funds to enable a passive royalty collection scheme for companies who develop IP. There are ways to survive and prosper whatever the rules are. IIRC, the US conveniently ignored the IP owned by England for a couple of generations until had some of its own to protect internationally for its own companies. Similarly, when money can start flowing in both directions you can be pretty sure they'll be more interested in buying in (or not). Same goes for India and Russia where piracy is everywhere, and for the ME, where piracy is the highest in the world, IIRC. You don't hear much about the latter places because the US is fixated on a 'containment' policy, and China-bashing is 'in' once again, including the currency valuation red herring. BTW, there's a very popular love song* in China that's been performed by a bunch of different artists. One such artist was a 21-year old girl named Xiang1-Xiang1. She did it with a PC and a microphone, no studio, and gave away the music on the internet. She's made a small fortune from it, and has been signed by the UK music company EMI and has released at least one CD. In a different world she would have made a big fortune (or, more likely, nothing at all). * Lao3 Shu3 Ai4 da4 Mi3 (Mouse loves rice). The metaphor loses something in the translation. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com |
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"Ken Taylor" wrote in message
... Piracy has been going on since the industry started - I seem to recall some people have written some new software, done some new things, made a bit of money...... Bill Gate's original plea to stop piracy 30 years ago: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/...tesletter.html Microsoft's take on it these days: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...0,414067.story |
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
"Ken Taylor" wrote in message ... Piracy has been going on since the industry started - I seem to recall some people have written some new software, done some new things, made a bit of money...... Bill Gate's original plea to stop piracy 30 years ago: http://www.digibarn.com/collections/...tesletter.html Microsoft's take on it these days: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...0,414067.story Hearing any bleats by Gates about piracy makes me want to dredge up reports of old law-suits, but what the heck, it's lunch-time..... Ken |
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Bjarne Bäckström wrote:
Ken Taylor wrote: Hearing any bleats by Gates about piracy makes me want to dredge up reports of old law-suits, but what the heck, it's lunch-time..... Repost: "[...] a thread was started about Bill Gates' famous "open letter" calling all hobbyists "thieves" because we were all stealing "his" software. This led into a discussion of why Mr. Gates was "asked to resign" from Harvard. Someone pointed out the whole story was located on the "Boston Globe's" website. [ To those outside of the U.S., the Globe is to Boston what the Times is to London...not prone to hyperbole. ] So I checked out the website & found that Mr Gates & Mr. Allen had used Mr. Gates' account on Harvard's DEC-10 to write M.I.T.S. 8080 & 6800 BASICs [Microsoft's _only_ software products at that time.][Bill Gates & Paul Allen were Microsoft's only employees at the time also.] The "powers that be" at Harvard learned of this & were ready to expell Mr. Gates because "all students at Harvard sign a form making all software developed on the University's computers public domain." In order to keep from being expelled from Harvard and to be allowed to resign, Mr. Gates signed over all rights to Microsoft's products to the public domain. After leaving Harvard, Mr. Gates seemed to forget this & continued to market both the 6800 & 8080 BASICs. Unfortunately [for him] it is all a matter of public record.[...]" I didn't even know that one, but now can add it to the list of things I forget about him. :-) MS has been involved in all manner of 'acquisition' of interesting add-ons for their crappy software suite. Cheers. Ken |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
Take note that copyright only applies to works with creative content. Trivial stuff is not covered. Thomas Ehhhh? ANYTHING can be copyrighted, but common usage words have been adjudicated out (for the most part). Well, you can probably copyright anything, but that does not mean that the copyright is valid. I remember a business delivering a text to someone who converted tags into html by using a script. Later, the business went elsewhere with their site and took the generated html with them. The original converter claimed copyright, but this was ruled against for lack of creative content. Another limitation is independent creation. If I would write the text "best quality in town - come today for best offer" that could be construed as creative. However, if someone else wrote the same text it could likely be an independent creation and him using that text would not be a copyright violation. Which doesn't mean you can't sue, but that's another thing. Thomas |
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Ken Taylor wrote:
Now, I don't mean to imply that this makes piracy right. But it isn't all as bad as some people would have you believe. That's pretty much my position - it becomes a "Bad" thing when companies think they can use pirated software though, even on an 'unofficial trial' basis. The 'trial' thing is not that bad. One of the reasons open source is doing well is that there is no need to go through purchasing and lawyers to try it. Software vendors have traditionally been ignoring unauthorized copying whenever they felt it was best for their business - for example student or private use. I'd add that there's no indication that innovation or profits have suffered due to piracy. Piracy has been going on since the industry started - I seem to recall some people have written some new software, done some new things, made a bit of money...... It seems clothing designs only have very limited protection in Europe - changing a number of details (5 or 8?) is enough to have a new creation. This doesn't seem to harm industry creativity at all... The same would apply to look-and-feel copyrights on software. What happened to those? Those were a license to print money, not a stimulus for creativity... Thomas |
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 21:41:02 GMT, Carl Smith wrote: Now, I don't mean to imply that this makes piracy right. But it isn't all as bad as some people would have you believe. Supposedly Autodesk has greatly profited from this "free trial" distribution. As long as most companies of any size pay, they are rolling in the money. Thus, they aggressively go after corporations they think might not have a (or enough) license(s). Autodesk probably likes you to use this at home for free. The more people can use the software the more they can sell. And really no-one would buy this privately at full price, so there is no money lost to them (though they could sell training). Which makes your explanation likely. Of course they could produce a (limited) student edition... Thomas |
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On 2006-04-19, John Fields wrote: On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:41:42 -0000, Jasen Betts wrote: On 2006-04-18, John Fields wrote: You seem to be trying to say that it's the software authors' faults that piracy exists because they they didn't give their work away in the first place. Theft is theft Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft. --- Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws, would there? if it were the police would be going after copyright infringers. Taking something written by someone else and using it without the author's permission is theft. no it's not. -- Bye. Jasen |
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On 2006-04-19, John Fields wrote:
On Wed, 19 Apr 2006 20:52:02 +0200, Zak wrote: John Fields wrote: Theft is theft Yes, but copyright infringement is not theft. Yes, it is. If it weren't there'd be no need for copyright laws, would there? If it was theft, there would be no desire for copyright laws. --- That's ridiculous. It _is_ theft, and that's why the laws are in place; to deal with the crime when it's committed. --- not by any legal definition ("dishonest apropriation of another's property with the intent to deprive him of it permanently"), and it's not a crime in the free world. It's a civil matter between the holder and the infringer Bye. Jasen |
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