look at this item:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...07963 12&rd=1

I couldn't believe my eyes, surely there is a case against this under
fraud legislation?!!

regards, Ben

In article .com,
wrote:

I couldn't believe my eyes, surely there is a case against this under
fraud legislation?!!

Anything will sound better after listening to a "weird tone" for three
minutes, so in a way the disk works. :-/

--
Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/

wrote:

look at this item:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...07963 12&rd=1

I couldn't believe my eyes, surely there is a case against this under
fraud legislation?!!

regards, Ben


Hi...

Well, it does say Magic Perhaps they mean black magic?

Leaves me wondering though... where do they put all the extra
magnetism they remove?

Ken

E-Bay, does not that say it all?? Righto
"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message
news:4bSKd.204099$8l.160743@pd7tw1no...


wrote:

look at this item:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...07963 12&rd=1

I couldn't believe my eyes, surely there is a case against this under
fraud legislation?!!

regards, Ben


Hi...

Well, it does say Magic Perhaps they mean black magic?

Leaves me wondering though... where do they put all the extra
magnetism they remove?

Ken

"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message
news:4bSKd.204099$8l.160743@pd7tw1no...

wrote:

look at this item:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...07963 12&rd=1

I couldn't believe my eyes, surely there is a case against this under
fraud legislation?!!

Well, it does say Magic Perhaps they mean black magic?

Leaves me wondering though... where do they put all the extra
magnetism they remove?

It's all sent to the speakers and recharges the magnets for better bass.
--
N

wrote in message
oups.com...
look at this item:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...07963 12&rd=1

I couldn't believe my eyes, surely there is a case against this under
fraud legislation?!!

regards, Ben

Don't you love the fact that there are people dumb enough to fall for crap
like this? I guess not all the idiots are Bush voters in the USA. My
favourite is the guy who buys felt discs at the dollar store, repackages
them, and sells them as acoustic damping filters to stick around your living
room. $1,000.
--
N

This is a lot of pig crap!!!

I would guess that anyone can try to suck anyone in. I first thought
that this was someone's sense of humor, but I can see that this guy is
for real!

Unbelievable...

Here in Canada, Industry Canada would be breaking down his door!
Jerry G.
======

"Jerry G." wrote in message
oups.com...
This is a lot of pig crap!!!

I would guess that anyone can try to suck anyone in. I first thought
that this was someone's sense of humor, but I can see that this guy is
for real!

Unbelievable...


It's no worse than this http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm


There's a huge variety of audiophool snake oil, I've been tempted myself to
market some ridiculous product at a ludicrous price just to see how many
suckers will buy it. A fool and his money are soon parted.

In sci.electronics.repair, NSM wrote:


Don't you love the fact that there are people dumb enough to fall for crap
like this? I guess not all the idiots are Bush voters in the USA. My
favourite is the guy who buys felt discs at the dollar store, repackages
them, and sells them as acoustic damping filters to stick around your living
room. $1,000.

And there are audiophools^Waudiophiles that are likely to buy this
stuff...
--
Chaos Master®, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W / GMT-
2h / 15m

"He [Babya] is like the Energizer Bunny of hopeless newsgroup
posting....or should that be Energizer bBunny"
- "ceed" on alt.comp.freeware, 24/1/2005

(to some groups: Yes, I use Windows and MS Office. So what?)

The guy who wrote this one, is for the books! He did a spectacular job on
it. I am sure he convinced a few people here and there.

Some scammers have a brilliant imagination. I am sure that they themselves
have been talked in to their own entrapment. Or, they have been convinced by
someone else that is wiser than themselves.

Another great one that I have seen are the AC cords that have multiple
levels of shielding on them, and they sell for several hundreds of dollars.
The venders claim that these cords will reduce noise and distortion.

It seems that if you argue about the fact that all the audio and video
equipment work in DC internally, and they are grounded. Also, in a typical
home there can be about 50 feet of standard BX type wiring from the outlet
to the breaker panel, and then some heavy copper wiring from the breaker
buss to the entry panel.

From many of these guys you hear the old story, that the test instruments
for testing audio equipment cannot pick up the errors heard by the ears.
This is a lot of horse-crap. When the proper tests are done with the proper
test equipment, and the tech knows what he is doing, the results are very
accurate. Proper testing is very exact to make a proper evaluation and
adjustments to the equipment.

Anyone who spends their money on one of these fancy AC cords is getting
ripped off.


Beware about:

Fancy expensive AC cords.
Demagnetizers for CD disks and phonograph records.
Coasters that should be located around the room, to improve the sound.
Extremely expensive speaker and interconnect wire.
Laquors to put on top of electronic components to improve the sound.
A little magnetic bug or dot that is to be stuck on to the side of a CD
player, or audio amplifier.

These are just a few that I can remember.

--

Jerry G.
=====

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news8XKd.500$zb.486@trnddc07...

"Jerry G." wrote in message
oups.com...
This is a lot of pig crap!!!

I would guess that anyone can try to suck anyone in. I first thought
that this was someone's sense of humor, but I can see that this guy is
for real!

Unbelievable...


It's no worse than this http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm


There's a huge variety of audiophool snake oil, I've been tempted myself to
market some ridiculous product at a ludicrous price just to see how many
suckers will buy it. A fool and his money are soon parted.

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news8XKd.500$zb.486@trnddc07...

"Jerry G." wrote in message
oups.com...
This is a lot of pig crap!!!

I would guess that anyone can try to suck anyone in. I first thought
that this was someone's sense of humor, but I can see that this guy is
for real!

Unbelievable...


It's no worse than this http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm


There's a huge variety of audiophool snake oil, I've been tempted myself
to
market some ridiculous product at a ludicrous price just to see how many
suckers will buy it. A fool and his money are soon parted.

No ****. Maybe I could SELL pig crap. But even Radio Shack sells huge copper
speaker wires with gold connectors!

--
N

Jerry G. wrote:

The guy who wrote this one, is for the books! He did a spectacular job on
it. I am sure he convinced a few people here and there.

Some scammers have a brilliant imagination. I am sure that they themselves
have been talked in to their own entrapment. Or, they have been convinced by
someone else that is wiser than themselves.

Another great one that I have seen are the AC cords that have multiple
levels of shielding on them, and they sell for several hundreds of dollars.
The venders claim that these cords will reduce noise and distortion.

It seems that if you argue about the fact that all the audio and video
equipment work in DC internally, and they are grounded. Also, in a typical
home there can be about 50 feet of standard BX type wiring from the outlet
to the breaker panel, and then some heavy copper wiring from the breaker
buss to the entry panel.

From many of these guys you hear the old story, that the test instruments
for testing audio equipment cannot pick up the errors heard by the ears.
This is a lot of horse-crap. When the proper tests are done with the proper
test equipment, and the tech knows what he is doing, the results are very
accurate. Proper testing is very exact to make a proper evaluation and
adjustments to the equipment.

Anyone who spends their money on one of these fancy AC cords is getting
ripped off.


Beware about:

Fancy expensive AC cords.
Demagnetizers for CD disks and phonograph records.
Coasters that should be located around the room, to improve the sound.
Extremely expensive speaker and interconnect wire.
Laquors to put on top of electronic components to improve the sound.
A little magnetic bug or dot that is to be stuck on to the side of a CD
player, or audio amplifier.

These are just a few that I can remember.

Hi...

Hey, only a moron would buy any of those things. Heck,
you can make 'em yourself

Instead I'm going to use common sense, rational thinking,
and good money management. Saving up to buy one of those
perpetual motion machines. Hook it up to a generator, and
all of my energy needs forever taken care.

Take care.

Ken

"Jerry G." wrote in message
...

Another great one that I have seen are the AC cords that have multiple
levels of shielding on them, and they sell for several hundreds of
dollars.
The venders claim that these cords will reduce noise and distortion.

I used to run serial cables for computer terminals with unshielded wire. The
only time I had a failure was when I ran for several feet alongside an old
style multi line phone system cable where they had a mechanical switch
system. That one I replaced with shielded cable. Hell, look at all the
100Base-T we are all running all the time. Works.
--
N

In sci.electronics.repair, Jerry G. wrote:

Another great one that I have seen are the AC cords that have multiple
levels of shielding on them, and they sell for several hundreds of dollars.
The venders claim that these cords will reduce noise and distortion.

I've seen shielded cables being used for network/hardware connection on
environments where noise could happen and cause distortion to the
network.

However, shielding for AC cords is, as I understand it, useless unless
you're using the cord in a really noisy place!

[]s
--
Chaos Master®, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W / GMT-
2h / 15m

"He [Babya] is like the Energizer Bunny of hopeless newsgroup
posting....or should that be Energizer bBunny"
- "ceed" on alt.comp.freeware, 24/1/2005

(to some groups: Yes, I use Windows and MS Office. So what?)

"NSM" wrote in message
news:QgYKd.166627$KO5.48032@clgrps13...

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news8XKd.500$zb.486@trnddc07...

"Jerry G." wrote in message
oups.com...
This is a lot of pig crap!!!

I would guess that anyone can try to suck anyone in. I first thought
that this was someone's sense of humor, but I can see that this guy is
for real!

Unbelievable...


It's no worse than this
http://www.altmann.haan.de/tubeolator/default.htm


There's a huge variety of audiophool snake oil, I've been tempted myself
to
market some ridiculous product at a ludicrous price just to see how many
suckers will buy it. A fool and his money are soon parted.

No ****. Maybe I could SELL pig crap. But even Radio Shack sells huge
copper
speaker wires with gold connectors!


Have you seen the ones with reasonably sized wires with HUGE thick clear
insulation to make them look big?

I now remember another "audiophile" trick from the late 80s (or
possibly earlier). This magnificent piece of hocus pocus consisted of
sticking small (rubber? felt?) pads onto the paper of your speaker
cones - supposed to bring about " 100% improvement in sound quality" or
something. How, I don't know - perhaps adding a little more weight to
the cone? Sounded highly dubious to me, anyone else here heard of this
and /or can verify that it was a con??

regards, Ben

In article .com,
wrote:

How, I don't know - perhaps adding a little more weight to
the cone? Sounded highly dubious to me, anyone else here heard of this
and /or can verify that it was a con??

If you make the speaker cone heavier you will move the speakers
resonence frequency down. This will enable the speaker to produce lower
frequencies. The downside is that the efficiency also goes down. Just
gluing weights on speaker cones at random will most likely not produce
better sound.

23 years ago I used paint on the speaker cone to adapt two 12" speakers
to a sub woofer enclosure. Paint was applied until the speaker resonance
frequency was low enough for the enclosure. As a student I found this
cheap method superior to buying two expensive speakers. I would never
try anything like it today though.

--
Göran Larsson http://www.mitt-eget.com/

My favorite of the era was those green markers people were using on the
outer edges of their cd's to improve sound. And don't even THINK of
mentioning double blind a-b teting to The Faithful.

Dan

wrote:
I now remember another "audiophile" trick from the late 80s (or
possibly earlier). This magnificent piece of hocus pocus consisted of
sticking small (rubber? felt?) pads onto the paper of your speaker
cones - supposed to bring about " 100% improvement in sound quality" or
something. How, I don't know - perhaps adding a little more weight to
the cone? Sounded highly dubious to me, anyone else here heard of this
and /or can verify that it was a con??

regards, Ben

wrote in message
oups.com...
I now remember another "audiophile" trick from the late 80s (or
possibly earlier). This magnificent piece of hocus pocus consisted of
sticking small (rubber? felt?) pads onto the paper of your speaker
cones - supposed to bring about " 100% improvement in sound quality" or
something. How, I don't know - perhaps adding a little more weight to
the cone? Sounded highly dubious to me, anyone else here heard of this
and /or can verify that it was a con??

Of course it was a con. The speaker makers know what they are doing - if
felt pads helped they would use them. It's as sensible as tail fins on a
car - or streamlining a steam iron.
--
N

NSM wrote:
Of course it was a con. The speaker makers know what they are doing - if
felt pads helped they would use them. It's as sensible as tail fins on a
car - or streamlining a steam iron.

There's another possibility.


I'm thinking there isn't a huge difference in construction cost between
high-end and low-end speakers (do the parts of a $800 speaker cost 10
times those of an 80 dollar speaker?). A lot of money gets spent in
design and test.

Rather than developing a completely new high end and low end model, they
could take a high-end model, and deliberately cripple it. Perhaps
sometimes the "magic dots" defeated limitations so added.

Not likely, however a thought.

"Jack Zeal" wrote in message
...

There's another possibility.
I'm thinking there isn't a huge difference in construction cost between
high-end and low-end speakers (do the parts of a $800 speaker cost 10
times those of an 80 dollar speaker?). A lot of money gets spent in
design and test.

Rather than developing a completely new high end and low end model, they
could take a high-end model, and deliberately cripple it. Perhaps
sometimes the "magic dots" defeated limitations so added.

Not likely, however a thought.

A high end speaker uses very fancy magnets, a super quality voice coil, a
robust frame, often cast, and top quality speaker cone materials. Then it's
all put together by people who know what they are doing and care about it
and take the time to get it right. I'm sure the margins are better, but so
are the margins in the best restaurants as compared to MickeyD's.

--
N

"Jack Zeal" wrote in message
...
NSM wrote:
Of course it was a con. The speaker makers know what they are doing - if
felt pads helped they would use them. It's as sensible as tail fins on a
car - or streamlining a steam iron.

There's another possibility.


I'm thinking there isn't a huge difference in construction cost between
high-end and low-end speakers (do the parts of a $800 speaker cost 10
times those of an 80 dollar speaker?). A lot of money gets spent in
design and test.

Rather than developing a completely new high end and low end model, they
could take a high-end model, and deliberately cripple it. Perhaps
sometimes the "magic dots" defeated limitations so added.

Not likely, however a thought.

There's a lot more that goes into a high(er) end speaker than just the
drivers. Usually the cabinets are more solidly constructed to more accurate
dimensions, and everything including the drivers is of higher quality with
closer tolerances. I say higher, because to some "high end" means
ridiculously overpriced audiophool crap.

Sorry guys, I've got no benefit in this story but it really works.

First of all, the CD has to be demagnetized. There's been an article
bout this in one of the "Elektor" books and I tought at first it was an
april fool's day. Then after, it appeared its true, somer magnetization
may influence the path of the laser beam.

That's for the CD topic.

Now, if you us this guy's machine, you must be absolutely sure that
you've got no DC in the signal path, otherways, it will never work or
even get worse.

Cheers
Georges

Don't for get to remove that magnetic clamp that holds the disk down.

Better shield that optical cable in a wrap of mu metal as well.

LMAO!

Leonard


"True american Zero" wrote in message
news:030220050058343394%True_American_Zero@mickeyt hecat.org...
Sorry guys, I've got no benefit in this story but it really works.

First of all, the CD has to be demagnetized. There's been an article
bout this in one of the "Elektor" books and I tought at first it was an
april fool's day. Then after, it appeared its true, somer magnetization
may influence the path of the laser beam.

That's for the CD topic.

Now, if you us this guy's machine, you must be absolutely sure that
you've got no DC in the signal path, otherways, it will never work or
even get worse.

Cheers
Georges

True american Zero wrote:
Sorry guys, I've got no benefit in this story but it really works.

First of all, the CD has to be demagnetized. There's been an article
bout this in one of the "Elektor" books and I tought at first it was an
april fool's day. Then after, it appeared its true, somer magnetization
may influence the path of the laser beam.

That's for the CD topic.

Now, if you us this guy's machine, you must be absolutely sure that
you've got no DC in the signal path, otherways, it will never work or
even get worse.

Cheers
Georges

Hi...

Don't miss my version, which will be up for sale on
ebay soon. Just have to complete the final test.

Mine will cost a little more, but will do far, far more.

Not only will it demagnetize CD drives, but it will ALSO
demagnetize all of your hard drives. AND it comes with
a free AC battery, which you may use in series with your
data line to elimated that dratted DC.

Don't miss out; supplies are limited.

Ken

"James Sweet" wrote in message
news:4%YLd.2203$uc.464@trnddc09...

There's a lot more that goes into a high(er) end speaker than just the
drivers. Usually the cabinets are more solidly constructed to more
accurate
dimensions, and everything including the drivers is of higher quality with
closer tolerances. I say higher, because to some "high end" means
ridiculously overpriced audiophool crap.

One of the most critical elements is sealing all the joints against air
pressure. Also, if you read some of the British books on speaker
construction, they used to build their boxes out of sand filled panels, or
panels with ceramic tiles bonded inside, or even of brick or cement!
--
N

"True american Zero" wrote in message
news:030220050058343394%True_American_Zero@mickeyt hecat.org...
Sorry guys, I've got no benefit in this story but it really works.

First of all, the CD has to be demagnetized.

The DVD rewinder will do this for you. It does CDs as well as DVDs.

http://dvdrewinder.com/index.php?mai...&products_id=1

--
N

True american Zero wrote:

Sorry guys, I've got no benefit in this story but it really works.

First of all, the CD has to be demagnetized. There's been an article
bout this in one of the "Elektor" books and I tought at first it was an
april fool's day. Then after, it appeared its true, somer magnetization
may influence the path of the laser beam.

That's for the CD topic.

Now, if you us this guy's machine, you must be absolutely sure that
you've got no DC in the signal path, otherways, it will never work or
even get worse.

Cheers
Georges
HA, LOL!!

Ken Weitzel wrote:



True american Zero wrote:

Sorry guys, I've got no benefit in this story but it really works.

First of all, the CD has to be demagnetized. There's been an article
bout this in one of the "Elektor" books and I tought at first it was an
april fool's day. Then after, it appeared its true, somer magnetization
may influence the path of the laser beam.

That's for the CD topic.

Now, if you us this guy's machine, you must be absolutely sure that
you've got no DC in the signal path, otherways, it will never work or
even get worse.

Cheers
Georges


Hi...

Don't miss my version, which will be up for sale on
ebay soon. Just have to complete the final test.

Mine will cost a little more, but will do far, far more.

Not only will it demagnetize CD drives, but it will ALSO
demagnetize all of your hard drives. AND it comes with
a free AC battery, which you may use in series with your
data line to elimated that dratted DC.

Don't miss out; supplies are limited.

Ken

I can't wait!, i'll camp infront of your store for the open
sale day!

NSM wrote:

"True american Zero" wrote in message
news:030220050058343394%True_American_Zero@mickeyt hecat.org...

Sorry guys, I've got no benefit in this story but it really works.

First of all, the CD has to be demagnetized.


The DVD rewinder will do this for you. It does CDs as well as DVDs.

http://dvdrewinder.com/index.php?mai...&products_id=1


True. Any idea where I can get a good deal on a printer
rewinder? The one I've got works, but it takes a loooong
time.

Ken

"Ken Weitzel" wrote in message
news:RBuMd.262632$6l.119750@pd7tw2no...

True. Any idea where I can get a good deal on a printer
rewinder? The one I've got works, but it takes a loooong
time.

No, but someone is working on a printer paper cleaner - removes laser ink
from paper for re-use - no joke!
--
N

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 01:48:52 GMT Ken Weitzel wrote in
Message id: 8qfMd.256229$Xk.188240@pd7tw3no:



True american Zero wrote:
Sorry guys, I've got no benefit in this story but it really works.

First of all, the CD has to be demagnetized. There's been an article
bout this in one of the "Elektor" books and I tought at first it was an
april fool's day. Then after, it appeared its true, somer magnetization
may influence the path of the laser beam.

That's for the CD topic.

Now, if you us this guy's machine, you must be absolutely sure that
you've got no DC in the signal path, otherways, it will never work or
even get worse.

Cheers
Georges

Hi...

Don't miss my version, which will be up for sale on
ebay soon. Just have to complete the final test.

Mine will cost a little more, but will do far, far more.

Not only will it demagnetize CD drives, but it will ALSO
demagnetize all of your hard drives. AND it comes with
a free AC battery, which you may use in series with your
data line to elimated that dratted DC.

Don't miss out; supplies are limited.

WOW!

Can I send you all my bank account and credit card information in
advance?!!!