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Dannis
 
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My daughter's compact stereo stopped playing CDs last week. She has tried
different CDs so it is not damaged or dirty CDs. The player is 4 years old.
Any suggestions on how to clean the lens, if that is the problem? I am in a
wheelchair and it is difficult to get to the machine in her room, so I'd
like to do it in one fell swoop, after I go in to take a look and figure out
what I need to get together to tackle the problem. I was once a computer
tech, but I only switched out boards and do not have soldering or meter
experience. Thanks!

Dannis


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Im shocked to hear that you got more than 1-2 yrs. of play out of this
unit... the lasers fade away fast. Cleaning the laser lens will likely
allow it to work awhile, but the light output of the laser is probably
getting weak, and each time between cleanings (if it works at all) will
likely be shorter and shorter until it is landfill fodder like every other
"Non-serviceable" throw-away piece of audio equipment out there....RCA (and
many others) isn't publishing service literature or producing any
replacement parts for these units... If they make it past the "90 day labor
warranty" ("free" exhange - you box and ship...) - they pro-rate the
exchange cost so high that it is often cheaper to buy another player than to
pay the "exchange cost" within the "1 yr. parts warranty" (Basically
meaningless). Beyond a year they are truly landfill fodder.


"Dannis" wrote in message
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My daughter's compact stereo stopped playing CDs last week. She has tried
different CDs so it is not damaged or dirty CDs. The player is 4 years

old.
Any suggestions on how to clean the lens, if that is the problem? I am in

a
wheelchair and it is difficult to get to the machine in her room, so I'd
like to do it in one fell swoop, after I go in to take a look and figure

out
what I need to get together to tackle the problem. I was once a computer
tech, but I only switched out boards and do not have soldering or meter
experience. Thanks!

Dannis




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Mark D. Zacharias
 
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Actually, RCA does have service literature, parts, etc for the RS series.
Fixed many of them.

They had lots of bad pickups, though.

Cleaning is worth a try, but I would say that unless dust is a problem where
the stereo is, it's more likely a bad pickup. Too expensive out of warranty,
the entire CD assembly is replace, not just the pickup itself.

Mark Z.

"Phil Bowser" wrote in message
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Im shocked to hear that you got more than 1-2 yrs. of play out of this
unit... the lasers fade away fast. Cleaning the laser lens will likely
allow it to work awhile, but the light output of the laser is probably
getting weak, and each time between cleanings (if it works at all) will
likely be shorter and shorter until it is landfill fodder like every other
"Non-serviceable" throw-away piece of audio equipment out there....RCA
(and
many others) isn't publishing service literature or producing any
replacement parts for these units... If they make it past the "90 day
labor
warranty" ("free" exhange - you box and ship...) - they pro-rate the
exchange cost so high that it is often cheaper to buy another player than
to
pay the "exchange cost" within the "1 yr. parts warranty" (Basically
meaningless). Beyond a year they are truly landfill fodder.


"Dannis" wrote in message
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My daughter's compact stereo stopped playing CDs last week. She has tried
different CDs so it is not damaged or dirty CDs. The player is 4 years

old.
Any suggestions on how to clean the lens, if that is the problem? I am in

a
wheelchair and it is difficult to get to the machine in her room, so I'd
like to do it in one fell swoop, after I go in to take a look and figure

out
what I need to get together to tackle the problem. I was once a computer
tech, but I only switched out boards and do not have soldering or meter
experience. Thanks!

Dannis






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LASERandDVDfan
 
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My daughter's compact stereo stopped playing CDs last week. She has tried
different CDs so it is not damaged or dirty CDs.


It's a shelf system and it's an RCA (very bad combination). Sorry to be brash,
but it's likely time for it to be trashed.

The player is 4 years old.
Any suggestions on how to clean the lens, if that is the problem?


How often was the player used? Four years is a typical lifespan of a cheap CD
player section if it sees constant use.

First, let's see if the player tries to read the disc. Load a disc and listen.
Does the player make squealing noises or is it totally quiet? Squealing
noises may indicate that the player is trying to synchronize with the disc but
can't due to an obstruction on the lens or in the laser path inside the pickup
or a defect in the pickup. This can also be caused by an intermittent signal
problem due to a faulty ribbon cable.

Totally silent means that the photo sensor is not getting any usable input from
the laser at all, meaning that the pickup is "blind" for lack of a better word.
This can be caused by an obstruction of the beam by foreign matter on the lens
or inside the pickup all the way to a marginal or failed laser diode and/or
photosensor array. This can also be caused by a bad ribbon cable with one or
more severed traces.

You could try to clean the optics. It would involve taking the cover off and
finding a way to take a slightly damped swab and gently rub the objective lens
on the pickup clean, followed by a drying with the dry side. But, unless the
player is prone to dust accumulation (which was a big problem with quite a few
Aiwa shelf systems with the 3 disc changers), cleaning it may not help.

Another possibility could be that the transmission ribbon which connects the
pickup to the player electronics may have developed breaks, which is another
typical problem with many shelf systems.

Yet another possibility, which is the worst case: the pickup may have worn out.
Again, if the player is four years old and was used constantly, it is very
possible that the pickup has decided to give up the ghost.

Another possibility, which is EXTREME worst case and is not likely to happen at
any time with any CD player is a failure of the CD decoder chip. The decoder
chip handles the 8-14 demodulation and error correction of the CD signal and
outputs the processed signal as PCM for upsampling and conversion. If this
chip fails, the CD player will spin up and synch to the disc but, without
decoding, the player will be unable to read the TOC and play the disc. But, as
I said before, this usually never happens as the semiconductor parts are the
most reliable components in a CD player and usually never fail unless they were
deliberately damaged by an external influence, like shorting out one or more
leads with a screwdriver while the player is powered.

In the latter three events, replacement parts may not be easily sourced, if at
all, and the required labor to effect the repair may not be worth it. (In
addition, a new pickup has a protective solder short designed to protect the
laser pickup from static discharge damage. This short has to be desoldered in
order to allow the pickup to function.) In this case, replacement of the
entire shelf system becomes necessary.

If buying a new shelf system, stick with some of the better brands in this area
like JVC, Sony, Panasonic, Aiwa, Pioneer, and even Philips.

Brands to avoid include Sharp, Sanyo/Fisher, RCA, Emerson, and any cheap store
brands like Durabrand or CurtisMathes.

But, in general, even the finest shelf systems are a compromise in design which
can affect reliability. Most, even from the recommended brands, weren't
designed to be serviced very easily when they break as people usually dispose
of them rather than have them repaired. - Reinhart
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