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Dial up vs. cable questions
We have had cable internet for about two years now because my son and
his girlfriend who've been living with us needed it for her Ebay business. Prior to that we had dial up. We generally managed a 45K or there abouts connection with it. It was sometimes slow but I never really had serious issues with it. The kids will be moving into their own place next month and I have no need for the cable or the attached internet service for 60.00 a month, thank you. So that will be leaving too. Our needs are very basic. I check my NG's and email occaisionally and visit a website now and then and my wife looks up things for her graduate studies. I don't feel that we need the speed of cable or DSL even for that matter. My son keeps telling me though (and spooking my wife good and proper at the same time), that if I switch back to dialup I won't be able to manage the popups and spyware and my computer will be rendered useless. I find this hard to believe with so much dialup still out there. Is there NO way to deal with these issues on dialup? He says he will not have time to come over every other week to rebuild my hard drive. Unfortunately I am not a real savy computer person so I can't be sure if this is true or he's bull****ting me. So teally whats the scoop on this? Also if this can be managed, could someone please tell me what is the most reasonable reliable dialup service out there? Thanks very much. Lenny Stein, Barlen Electronics. |
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wrote in message oups.com... We have had cable internet for about two years now because my son and his girlfriend who've been living with us needed it for her Ebay business. Prior to that we had dial up. We generally managed a 45K or there abouts connection with it. It was sometimes slow but I never really had serious issues with it. The kids will be moving into their own place next month and I have no need for the cable or the attached internet service for 60.00 a month, thank you. So that will be leaving too. Our needs are very basic. I check my NG's and email occaisionally and visit a website now and then and my wife looks up things for her graduate studies. I don't feel that we need the speed of cable or DSL even for that matter. My son keeps telling me though (and spooking my wife good and proper at the same time), that if I switch back to dialup I won't be able to manage the popups and spyware and my computer will be rendered useless. I find this hard to believe with so much dialup still out there. Is there NO way to deal with these issues on dialup? He says he will not have time to come over every other week to rebuild my hard drive. Unfortunately I am not a real savy computer person so I can't be sure if this is true or he's bull****ting me. So teally whats the scoop on this? Also if this can be managed, could someone please tell me what is the most reasonable reliable dialup service out there? Thanks very much. Lenny Stein, Barlen Electronics. If you used to like dial up, chances are that you will like it again. Your son is an alarmist (or perhaps just sounds like one). I'd say go back to the provider you were once pleased with. |
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wrote in message oups.com... We have had cable internet for about two years now because my son and his girlfriend who've been living with us needed it for her Ebay business. Prior to that we had dial up. We generally managed a 45K or there abouts connection with it. It was sometimes slow but I never really had serious issues with it. The kids will be moving into their own place next month and I have no need for the cable or the attached internet service for 60.00 a month, thank you. So that will be leaving too. Our needs are very basic. I check my NG's and email occaisionally and visit a website now and then and my wife looks up things for her graduate studies. I don't feel that we need the speed of cable or DSL even for that matter. My son keeps telling me though (and spooking my wife good and proper at the same time), that if I switch back to dialup I won't be able to manage the popups and spyware and my computer will be rendered useless. I find this hard to believe with so much dialup still out there. Is there NO way to deal with these issues on dialup? Dialup will be fine, just download a good virus scanner (try Antivir, it's free for personal use) and get something like AdAware to clean up any spyware you have already. A good web browser is Mozilla Firefox and you can get an AdBlock ad-on for it. All of this stuff is free, download it while you still have broadband and get everything working, once that's done you're actually *less* likely to get infected with things when you're on dialup because the lack of bandwidth and you're only connected when it's actually being used. Updates for the spyware and virus scanners will take longer but they can download while you surf, eat dinner, etc. Another thing you could look into if the slow dialup connection is bugging you after being spoiled with broadband is DSL, I have it and it's only $30/month, not a whole lot more than dialup. |
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pop up ads (the really annoying ones) are a result of spyware opening up
inbound communication on your pc, you pick up spyware all over the internet if you are not carefull what you click on, and sometimes it can get in without you doing anything, if you are going back to dialup, you need to download ad aware se and run it to clean up all the spyware you got with the fast connection, you are less likely to get gobs of spyware with a dialup connection that is only on when you want it to be, if your computer is fairly new and you have removed spyware you will have no problems with dial up connection. at any rate ad aware is a great tool, install it and make friends with it sometimes it gets lonely and needs company from his pal Norton Antivirus. and always update your windows software via windowsupdate. then above all dont click on those stupid windows that pop up and dont get software off the internet (kazaa, screen savers, games) you may think they are free, but they get their revenue from advertising to you and are packaged with spyware. |
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Being as dial up is a slower "pipe" it would seem logical that the spyware/adware/trash in general problem would be reduced. At the very least it would take a bit longer for these things to take hold. No matter how you get connected, these things can happen. I doubt there is really any one ISP that is any worse than any other in this regard. Some do offer more e-mail filtering and stuff like that--and that's where you'll have to make a decision. Once you get connected, it's "all the same Internet" for the most part. William |
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Can always try using another browser other than Internet Explorer, such as
Firefox, or other available free downloads, that do block many more of these annoying popups than Micro_Softs codex does?? Dial_Up should work fine for your application and needs. Happy New Year 2005! "William R. Walsh" wrote in message news:fqMAd.41942$k25.32871@attbi_s53... Hi! Being as dial up is a slower "pipe" it would seem logical that the spyware/adware/trash in general problem would be reduced. At the very least it would take a bit longer for these things to take hold. No matter how you get connected, these things can happen. I doubt there is really any one ISP that is any worse than any other in this regard. Some do offer more e-mail filtering and stuff like that--and that's where you'll have to make a decision. Once you get connected, it's "all the same Internet" for the most part. William |
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Does anyone have any experience with Netzero, either their "free"
service or the 9.95 Platinum service. Are the ads in the free service popups or are they banners? And do they obliterate the screen making you have to X them out or are they a bit more passive? thanks, Lenny |
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Andy writes;
I have the Netzero free service, but the Juno 9.95 , which seems to use the same access numbers in my area. The Juno works fine for me in North Texas, except from maybe 3am to 7am. Then, the connection speeds become very slow and I am apparently being swapped out with other users....... But after 7am , things go back to my normal 25,400 bps........ The free Netzero has the same problem, but not as bad...... I am certain it is some sort of "time of day" thing, maybe they do maintenance or something..... With the Juno, the occasional ads are annoying, but haven't kept me from accomplishing what I need to do...... I bet Netzero is the same........ ..... By the way, the home pages are VERY similar. Seem to have the same newsflashes, too. Just another input. Maybe it'll help....... You can try the free service first, and see if you like it.... for either Juno or Netzero... Andy |
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kazaa, screen
savers, games) you may think they are free, but they get their revenue from advertising to you and are packaged with spyware. Kazza Lite has no spyware problems, unlike regular Kazza. However, I don't think Kazza is a free working P2P anymore. But, I'm in agreement. Don't go wild and download anything and everything you see. - Reinhart |
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Hi!
Does anyone have any experience with Netzero, either their "free" service or the 9.95 Platinum service. Are the ads in the free service popups or are they banners? And do they obliterate the screen making you have to X them out or are they a bit more passive? thanks, Lenny It's been a while since I had any customers using the NetZero service, but I seem to remember that the ads were usually pretty subtle in nature. They did appear in windows outside the browsing session, but I didn't find them all that intrusive. William |
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Hi!
.... By the way, the home pages are VERY similar. Seem to have the same newsflashes, too. Juno and NetZero have the same corporate parent--United Online. William |
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"LASERandDVDfan" wrote in message ... The kids will be moving into their own place next month and I have no need for the cable or the attached internet service for 60.00 a month, thank you Ouch! Don't mean to sound like a jerk, but you could've saved more money by going with DSL than cable and probably have gotten more consistent performance to boot. Although cable is faster than DSL, DSL is not prone to slowing down like cable is if there are too many users accessing the connection. I've had both cable and DSL and have seen surprisingly little difference between the two. As you say, cable varies a bit more but tops out a bit faster, but the difference is fairly minor. Overall I was satisfied with both services, only ever changed because I moved a couple times and at first could only get one or the other then moved again and shopped by price. In both cases I found the speed to be far more dependant on the sites I was accessing than the bandwidth of my own pipe. |
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"Kim Clay" wrote in message ... On 30 Dec 2004 05:46:52 -0800, wrote: Does anyone have any experience with Netzero, either their "free" service or the 9.95 Platinum service. Are the ads in the free service popups or are they banners? And do they obliterate the screen making you have to X them out or are they a bit more passive? thanks, Lenny Lenny - the free service is everything you said (except passive)! I have used the _free_ NetZero since it came out (4 yrs now). It has been reliable. Always connects & functions as a ISP. Their e-mail always seems to work. Having said that, their free service is... a nightmare mess of ads & garbage but still useful as a backup for connectivity. Since reading this thread I realized I had not connected to them for about a year now. Still having the SW installed I tried connecting & it was the same - connects OK & e-mail still there but a mess otherwise. I think the free service is limited to a max of 10 hours/month, has a banner across the top of the screen, contains numerous pop-ups & is just a royal pain. I did mention that it seems to still be free Get it for emergencies. If you go over 10 hours in a month you can not connect until the next month. That's how it was a couple years back, I don't know about today. Can you use ad blockers or does that kill the functionality? I remember there was a free internet service several years ago which had it's own special software that connected and displayed ads. The thing I (and apparently many others) discovered is that once you signed up with their software, you could uninstall it and put the phone number and login info right into a Windows dialup networking thing and connect that way with no ads. They didn't last long... |
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Can you use ad blockers or does that kill the functionality? I remember there was a free internet service several years ago which had it's own special software that connected and displayed ads. The thing I (and apparently many others) discovered is that once you signed up with their software, you could uninstall it and put the phone number and login info right into a Windows dialup networking thing and connect that way with no ads. They didn't last long... Ad blockers - yes - But you must use their dialer program, no cheating there. I think I tried all the free ISPs also as they came & went. I use Privoxy now http://www.privoxy.org/ & Junkbusters before that. It will stop most of the mess. As I remember NetZero always wants to go to its homepage which is _very_ cluttered. I would minimize or close that window & be on my merry way but still missing the top of my screen which has the ad bar. & they make it quite obnoxious! & still get some pop-ups. It is still usable & good for emergencies. I also have IP Cop http://www.ipcop.org on another computer (AMD5x86) as a firewall (yeah on a dialup). It has a web proxy server which makes repeated visits to a web page _lots_ faster on a dialup. The OP could investigate both these ideas if he so desired. Neither is essential for a novice, just accessories that are nice. |
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I wish I had LASERandDVDfan's angel tonight:
I don't mean to be insulting, but your son is giving you BS. Spyware, spam, and popups are a problem, period. Regardless if you have broadband or dialup. BTW, broadband gives you the additional problem with hackers unless you have a firewall installed and/or if the computer is logged off the network (which is sometimes only done when the computer is completely powered down with the settings in the BIOS for an LAN wakeup is disabled). This is because broadband services assigns you one unique IP number that identifies your computer to the network every time it's online that never changes unless you cancel your service. Dial-up services, on the other hand, gives you a temporary IP number which is different every single time you dial up to log on. Simply put, broadband allows for faster throughput, but dial up allows for greater security. Some DSL services [1] use DHCP, which gives you different IP addresses... [1] Most home services... I have seen fixed IP's in "high-end" (read: guaranteed speed, but expen$ive) DSL connections that were meant for business. BTW, I am on dial-up and there is no pop-ups here... I browse almost everything with Firefox which has a pop-up blocker. My Internet Explorer also has Google Toolbar with pop-up blocker. []s -- Chaos Master®, posting from Canoas, Brazil - 29.55° S / 51.11° W / GMT- 2h / 15m "Now: the 3-bit processor, with instructions: 1. NOP - does nothing, increase PC. / 2. HLT - does nothing, doesn't increase PC 3. MMX - enter Pentium(r) emulation mode; increase PC / 4. LCK - before MMX: NOP ; after MMX: executes F0 0F C7 C8 5. HCF - Halt and Catch Fire / 6. EPI - Execute Programmer 7. DPC - Decrease PC" |
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I would like to thank everyone for their responses. They have been very
helpful. I will check out Hawk this week. Lenny |
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I got one more tip for you. If you are using dial-up services like
Juno(which is what i use) just go to Task Manager and kill it, Don't worry it wont disconnect(Task manager-Processes-juno.exe-End process). After that you can browse using IE or what ever you are using. This way no more disconnections or ads. |
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I got one more tip for you. If you are using dial-up services like
Juno(which is what i use) just go to Task Manager and kill it, Don't worry it wont disconnect just go to Task manager- Processes- juno.exe- End process. After that you can browse using IE or what ever you are using. This way no more disconnections or ads. |
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