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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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circuit breaker overheat
Had two circuit breakers do something odd at home. One tripped, and I
assumed somebody had a space heater and a hair dryer on at the same time or something. Then, a breaker for my computer room tripped when I turned on a laser printer. No unusual loads that I haven't done a hundred times before. I unplugged the laser printer, thinking it might have given up the ghost. When I reset the breaker, it was noticeably warm, which seemed odd, as it was not feeding a heavy load. The laser printer and everything else was just fine. It took a couple hours for the breaker to cool. I can't remember for sure if the breaker that tripped earlier had also been warm, but it might have. So, anyway, it seems these breakers developed poor contact after just staying turned on for several years, and needed the contacts cycled to wipe them clean. I have some other breakers in the shop that are used as shutoffs for various machines, and they never do this, I guess because the contacts are exercised routinely. Jon |
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circuit breaker overheat
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Jon Elson wrote: Had two circuit breakers do something odd at home. One tripped, and I assumed somebody had a space heater and a hair dryer on at the same time or something. Then, a breaker for my computer room tripped when I turned on a laser printer. No unusual loads that I haven't done a hundred times before. I unplugged the laser printer, thinking it might have given up the ghost. When I reset the breaker, it was noticeably warm, which seemed odd, as it was not feeding a heavy load. The laser printer and everything else was just fine. It took a couple hours for the breaker to cool. I can't remember for sure if the breaker that tripped earlier had also been warm, but it might have. Is this a plug-in breaker, or one that's wired in? In either case, it seems possible that its connection to the wiring has deteriorated (oxidized, worked loose, etc.) and it might be heating up at that point. If your home has any aluminum wiring, I'd be _very_ concerned about this possibility. I'd recommend a full re-check, with the mains power entirely disconnected. |
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circuit breaker overheat
On 4/02/2017 6:41 AM, Jon Elson wrote:
It took a couple hours for the breaker to cool. I can't remember for sure if the breaker that tripped earlier had also been warm, but it might have. So, anyway, it seems these breakers developed poor contact after just staying turned on for several years, and needed the contacts cycled to wipe them clean. I have some other breakers in the shop that are used as shutoffs for various machines, and they never do this, I guess because the contacts are exercised routinely. Thank you for sharing. -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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circuit breaker overheat
Dave Platt wrote:
In article , Jon Elson wrote: Is this a plug-in breaker, or one that's wired in? It is a GE "snap in" breaker in a GE breaker panel (load center). The breakers have fingers that grip a bus bar in the panel, and a screw terminal that holds the wire. In either case, it seems possible that its connection to the wiring has deteriorated (oxidized, worked loose, etc.) and it might be heating up at that point. If your home has any aluminum wiring, I'd be _very_ concerned about this possibility. No, NO aluminum wiring! I checked before buying! I'd recommend a full re-check, with the mains power entirely disconnected. The fact that after resetting, the breakers are now running cool tells me the contacts have been cleaned by cycling them, and should be OK for the next 10 years or so. Jon |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2017 14:20:34 -0600, Jon Elson
wrote: Dave Platt wrote: In article , Jon Elson wrote: Is this a plug-in breaker, or one that's wired in? It is a GE "snap in" breaker in a GE breaker panel (load center). The breakers have fingers that grip a bus bar in the panel, and a screw terminal that holds the wire. In either case, it seems possible that its connection to the wiring has deteriorated (oxidized, worked loose, etc.) and it might be heating up at that point. If your home has any aluminum wiring, I'd be _very_ concerned about this possibility. No, NO aluminum wiring! I checked before buying! I'd recommend a full re-check, with the mains power entirely disconnected. The fact that after resetting, the breakers are now running cool tells me the contacts have been cleaned by cycling them, and should be OK for the next 10 years or so. Jon I think I'd buy a spare breaker. They always fail in the middle of the night on a weekend. They only cost $5 to $10. I'd unplug them one at a time, and clean the contacts where they plug into the bussbar on all of them. Also make sure you dont have some device such as a refrigerator, sump pump etc, that may be cycling and/or jammed. Probably would not hurt to remove and inspect every outlet on that circuit to make sure there are no burnt wires or loose connections. |
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circuit breaker overheat
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says... - hide quoted text - Had two circuit breakers do something odd at home. One tripped, and I assumed somebody had a space heater and a hair dryer on at the same time or something. Then, a breaker for my computer room tripped when I turned on a laser printer. No unusual loads that I haven't done a hundred times before. I unplugged the laser printer, thinking it might have given up the ghost. When I reset the breaker, it was noticeably warm, which seemed odd, as it was not feeding a heavy load. The laser printer and everything else was just fine. It took a couple hours for the breaker to cool. I can't remember for sure if the breaker that tripped earlier had also been warm, but it might have. So, anyway, it seems these breakers developed poor contact after just staying turned on for several years, and needed the contacts cycled to wipe them clean. I have some other breakers in the shop that are used as shutoffs for various machines, and they never do this, I guess because the contacts are exercised routinely. Maybe you could've taken them to the scrap yard, but since you decided to keep them, how did you cycle them to make their connects better? |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" writes:
A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Interesting how a failed insulator could have caused this. How often are distribution circuits of different voltages connected together but separated by only a single insulator? Up the street from me, they upgraded a MV distribution circuit from a lower voltage to a higher one (13,800V I believe). But a portion of it they decided to leave at the lower voltage, probably because there are a bunch of pad-mounted transformers feeding businesses there they didn't want to replace. They decided to feed that section from the far end through a bank of transformers, but where that section was once connected to the now upgraded section, they put in multiple breaks so that a single failed insulator or a lineman doing the wrong thing won't connect the two circuits. An underground feeder had its fuses removed, wires connecting the fuse holders were removed and the line from the pole with the underground feeder to the next pole had insulators spliced in the middle. At least 3 breaks. I've also seen the results of that type of surge. The top of a pole broke in a storm and the 4800V MV distribution wires made contact with the 120V/240V feed to houses. Two of them burned to the ground. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On 9/02/2017 1:11 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
.... I've also seen the results of that type of surge. The top of a pole broke in a storm and the 4800V MV distribution wires made contact with the 120V/240V feed to houses. Two of them burned to the ground. Thank you for sharing! -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 不借貸! 不詐騙! 不援交! 不打交! 不打劫! 不自殺! 請考慮綜援 (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. -- A highway patrolman pulled alongside a speeding car on the freeway. Glancing at the car, he was astounded to see that the blonde behind the wheel was knitting! Realizing that she was oblivious to his flashing lights and siren, the trooper cranked down his window, turned on his bullhorn and yelled, "PULL OVER!" "NO!" the blonde yelled back, "IT'S A SCARF!" |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Wouldn't a really big surge destroy the first thing it hits, i.e. the main fuse, meter, etc? -- What's the difference between PMS and Mad Cow Disease? The number of tits. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On 02/08/2017 05:00 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Wouldn't a really big surge destroy the first thing it hits, i.e. the main fuse, meter, etc? It matters where the big arc happens, though. You don't clear a high energy 1600-4800V circuit with a domestic 240V breaker, that's for sure. The result is an _arc flash_, which you do _not_ want in your vicinity, trust me. (Youtube has a lot of examples if you doubt this.) Having a major league arc flash on a cinderblock foundation outside the house is a very different proposition from having one in a breaker box mounted to a wooden stud wall inside, for one thing, but I'm outside my experience here, so I'll happily defer to any actual power engineering types who want to chime in. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:13:00 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 02/08/2017 05:00 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Wouldn't a really big surge destroy the first thing it hits, i.e. the main fuse, meter, etc? It matters where the big arc happens, though. You don't clear a high energy 1600-4800V circuit with a domestic 240V breaker, that's for sure. The result is an _arc flash_, which you do _not_ want in your vicinity, trust me. (Youtube has a lot of examples if you doubt this.) Having a major league arc flash on a cinderblock foundation outside the house is a very different proposition from having one in a breaker box mounted to a wooden stud wall inside, for one thing, but I'm outside my experience here, so I'll happily defer to any actual power engineering types who want to chime in. I can't believe it's that likely for 4800V to get onto a 240V line. Possible, but so rare it's not worth bothering to install protection. I protect against little spikes, or voltages about 30V under/over what they should be. My UPS frequently adjusts the voltage, and sometimes gives up and runs the house on batteries for 5 seconds. -- If the English language made any sense, lackadaisical would have something to do with a shortage of flowers. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On 02/08/2017 05:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:13:00 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 05:00 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Wouldn't a really big surge destroy the first thing it hits, i.e. the main fuse, meter, etc? It matters where the big arc happens, though. You don't clear a high energy 1600-4800V circuit with a domestic 240V breaker, that's for sure. The result is an _arc flash_, which you do _not_ want in your vicinity, trust me. (Youtube has a lot of examples if you doubt this.) Having a major league arc flash on a cinderblock foundation outside the house is a very different proposition from having one in a breaker box mounted to a wooden stud wall inside, for one thing, but I'm outside my experience here, so I'll happily defer to any actual power engineering types who want to chime in. I can't believe it's that likely for 4800V to get onto a 240V line. Possible, but so rare it's not worth bothering to install protection. I protect against little spikes, or voltages about 30V under/over what they should be. My UPS frequently adjusts the voltage, and sometimes gives up and runs the house on batteries for 5 seconds. Well, I bought my house in 1990, and still haven't done that, so I guess you can say I agree. Cheers Phil Hobbs |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:22:27 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote:
On 02/08/2017 05:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:13:00 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 05:00 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Wouldn't a really big surge destroy the first thing it hits, i.e. the main fuse, meter, etc? It matters where the big arc happens, though. You don't clear a high energy 1600-4800V circuit with a domestic 240V breaker, that's for sure. The result is an _arc flash_, which you do _not_ want in your vicinity, trust me. (Youtube has a lot of examples if you doubt this.) Having a major league arc flash on a cinderblock foundation outside the house is a very different proposition from having one in a breaker box mounted to a wooden stud wall inside, for one thing, but I'm outside my experience here, so I'll happily defer to any actual power engineering types who want to chime in. I can't believe it's that likely for 4800V to get onto a 240V line. Possible, but so rare it's not worth bothering to install protection. I protect against little spikes, or voltages about 30V under/over what they should be. My UPS frequently adjusts the voltage, and sometimes gives up and runs the house on batteries for 5 seconds. Well, I bought my house in 1990, and still haven't done that, so I guess you can say I agree. I got my house in 2000. I got a UPS for the computer to keep it from crashing and corrupting the hard disk with 5 second powercuts. But when I got some LED lighting and it kept failing, I paid more attention to the UPS and noticed it was frequently reporting overvoltage. Connecting all the house lighting to the UPS prevented the LEDs from failing so often. The overvoltage takes the 230V up to about 256V, but apparently this is within specs, so the power company refuses to fix it. It started happening when they renewed the street's transformer (substation). They did send an electrician round, but he said there was nothing he could do, although he did comment that the guy responsible for voltage regulation in my area wasn't as fussy as he was. He claimed he liked to set things to precisely 230V, and the new guy just let it go if it was within the 10% legally allowed. I kept a close eye on the voltage, and it never gets below (or even down to) 230V, so clearly it's not averaging the correct value, and should be adjusted more accurately, but the power company doesn't give a ****. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:22:27 -0500, Phil Hobbs
wrote: On 02/08/2017 05:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:13:00 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 05:00 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Wouldn't a really big surge destroy the first thing it hits, i.e. the main fuse, meter, etc? It matters where the big arc happens, though. You don't clear a high energy 1600-4800V circuit with a domestic 240V breaker, that's for sure. The result is an _arc flash_, which you do _not_ want in your vicinity, trust me. (Youtube has a lot of examples if you doubt this.) Having a major league arc flash on a cinderblock foundation outside the house is a very different proposition from having one in a breaker box mounted to a wooden stud wall inside, for one thing, but I'm outside my experience here, so I'll happily defer to any actual power engineering types who want to chime in. I can't believe it's that likely for 4800V to get onto a 240V line. Possible, but so rare it's not worth bothering to install protection. I protect against little spikes, or voltages about 30V under/over what they should be. My UPS frequently adjusts the voltage, and sometimes gives up and runs the house on batteries for 5 seconds. Well, I bought my house in 1990, and still haven't done that, so I guess you can say I agree. Cheers Phil Hobbs A truck hit a padmounted transformer about 100 ft from my dad's house, shorting the primary to the secondaty momentarily before tripping the fuse. It blew the fuse in his then- new TV and blew one or two bulbe - but destroyed half the appliances in the house next door. I fixed the TV - Dad replaced the bulbs, and Waterloo North Hydro's and the truck driver's insurance replaced the neighbours appliances. The transformer made a BIG BANG when the circuit protector blew. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 00:17:25 -0000, wrote:
On Wed, 8 Feb 2017 17:22:27 -0500, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 05:18 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:13:00 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 05:00 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Wouldn't a really big surge destroy the first thing it hits, i.e. the main fuse, meter, etc? It matters where the big arc happens, though. You don't clear a high energy 1600-4800V circuit with a domestic 240V breaker, that's for sure. The result is an _arc flash_, which you do _not_ want in your vicinity, trust me. (Youtube has a lot of examples if you doubt this.) Having a major league arc flash on a cinderblock foundation outside the house is a very different proposition from having one in a breaker box mounted to a wooden stud wall inside, for one thing, but I'm outside my experience here, so I'll happily defer to any actual power engineering types who want to chime in. I can't believe it's that likely for 4800V to get onto a 240V line. Possible, but so rare it's not worth bothering to install protection. I protect against little spikes, or voltages about 30V under/over what they should be. My UPS frequently adjusts the voltage, and sometimes gives up and runs the house on batteries for 5 seconds. Well, I bought my house in 1990, and still haven't done that, so I guess you can say I agree. Cheers Phil Hobbs A truck hit a padmounted transformer about 100 ft from my dad's house, shorting the primary to the secondaty momentarily before tripping the fuse. It blew the fuse in his then- new TV and blew one or two bulbe - but destroyed half the appliances in the house next door. I fixed the TV - Dad replaced the bulbs, and Waterloo North Hydro's and the truck driver's insurance replaced the neighbours appliances. The transformer made a BIG BANG when the circuit protector blew. Pity it didn't electrocute the truck driver. -- During the weekly Lamaze class, the instructor emphasized the importance of exercise, hinting strongly that husbands need to get out and start walking with their wives. From the back of the room one expectant father inquired, "Would it be okay if she carries a bag of golf clubs while she walks?" |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:17:25 -0500, wrote in part:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. At least 5 different times in 15 years my house has had 1 or 2 devices die immediately when there was lighting around or someone ran into a power pole. At least 4 times 1 or more devices failed within a couple of weeks. I'd say all appliances should be replaced by the power company if any in the house failed, or at least anything that fails in the next 5 years should be replaced when it fails. Also: A UPS is more likely to get fried itself in the cases like in the above report. House MOV seems like the only hope to protect from these events. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:23:17 -0000, Mark F wrote:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:17:25 -0500, wrote in part: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. At least 5 different times in 15 years my house has had 1 or 2 devices die immediately when there was lighting around or someone ran into a power pole. At least 4 times 1 or more devices failed within a couple of weeks. I'd say all appliances should be replaced by the power company if any in the house failed, or at least anything that fails in the next 5 years should be replaced when it fails. Also: A UPS is more likely to get fried itself in the cases like in the above report. House MOV seems like the only hope to protect from these events. I just don't have the severe things like above. I'm just catering for loss of power for a few seconds, and for the voltage being out a bit. -- Went to the pub with my girlfriend last night. Locals were shouting "paedophile!" and other names at me, just because my girlfriend is 21 and I'm 50. It completely spoilt our 10th anniversary. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:23:17 -0500, Mark F
wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 19:17:25 -0500, wrote in part: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...eds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. At least 5 different times in 15 years my house has had 1 or 2 devices die immediately when there was lighting around or someone ran into a power pole. At least 4 times 1 or more devices failed within a couple of weeks. I'd say all appliances should be replaced by the power company if any in the house failed, or at least anything that fails in the next 5 years should be replaced when it fails. Also: A UPS is more likely to get fried itself in the cases like in the above report. House MOV seems like the only hope to protect from these events. I installed a whole house surge protector in my new panel last year. I figured it was cheap insurance. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
"James Wilkinson Sword" writes:
On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:13:00 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 05:00 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 -0000, Phil Hobbs wrote: On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. Wouldn't a really big surge destroy the first thing it hits, i.e. the main fuse, meter, etc? It matters where the big arc happens, though. You don't clear a high energy 1600-4800V circuit with a domestic 240V breaker, that's for sure. The result is an _arc flash_, which you do _not_ want in your vicinity, trust me. (Youtube has a lot of examples if you doubt this.) Having a major league arc flash on a cinderblock foundation outside the house is a very different proposition from having one in a breaker box mounted to a wooden stud wall inside, for one thing, but I'm outside my experience here, so I'll happily defer to any actual power engineering types who want to chime in. I can't believe it's that likely for 4800V to get onto a 240V line. Possible, but so rare it's not worth bothering to install protection. I protect against little spikes, or voltages about 30V under/over what they should be. My UPS frequently adjusts the voltage, and sometimes gives up and runs the house on batteries for 5 seconds. Well, it did happen to us. The pole with the transformer broke between the transformer and the crossarm at the top, partly because it was an old pole with ants living in the part that broke and partly because of the winter storm. I saw the aftermath and even still have the two 4800V cutouts that fed the transformer. This was a bunch of summer cottages on a lake. Two of them burned to the ground. Our place was on the same transformer but because my father always threw the main breaker when closing up the place it was unaffected. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
"James Wilkinson Sword"
news alt.home.repair, wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...dden-power-sur ge-fried-tech-gear-in-hundreds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. The UPS would have fried as well under those conditions. And, depending on internal UPS design characteristics, may/may not have done any good for the device plugged into it. It depends on several things. Which lines got energized way above the normal voltage and for how long. Is the UPS truely seperating the inverter/battery backup from the main AC line, or, is it a cheaper unit where the plugins aren't actually isolated from the main incoming power? IE: is it really running the out plugs on battery via inverter or, is it also supplying filtered power while the AC is good via the ac lines feeding the UPS? If it's isolating the battery and charging circuitry then, your risk of being toasted if something roasts the ups is smaller, but, not by much. -- Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is illegal. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
Phil Hobbs
Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:55:06 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote: On 02/08/2017 02:46 PM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Wed, 01 Feb 2017 17:31:50 -0000, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes Full story: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2017/01/...udden-power-su rge-fried-tech-gear-in-hundreds-homes.html Residents in the small Pennsylvania town of Brookville must've wondered what on earth was going on earlier this month when a sudden power surge caused electrical appliances and gizmos in up to 1,000 homes to fry, explode, or simply conk out. What may have momentarily seemed like some kind of weird supernatural happening was actually an electrical surge caused by a failed power line component, according to an AP report. Local media said that "damage ranged from residents losing a refrigerator to losing all appliances in the kitchen or losing everything in the house." Up to a quarter of the town's 4,000 residents were thought to have been affected by the incident, with many reporting fried computers, burned electrical meters, and damaged power strips. Some even spoke of fluorescent lights suddenly exploding. When the surge occurred, the high volume of calls flooding into the emergency services forced the local fire department to call for extra help from three nearby facilities. As for the local cops, the incident tripped its main office radio, causing them to miss the first emergency calls. The first they knew something was up was when they heard the fire trucks roaring through the town. "We were fortunate that nobody was hurt," Tracy Zents, the director of Jefferson County's Department of Emergency Services, told AP. You should have anything expensive in a UPS. Big help if the house burns down. I've heard of folks getting MOVs put in right at the meter, outside the house. In that sort of super nasty surge, they explode and isolate the house from the line. Never had the urge to do it myself, but it might be good insurance. I've been onsite a few times when the MOVs have kicked in and done their job. It greatly reduces harm to the electrical system and devices attached inside the home. However, if the surge is strong enough, it'll momentarily arc across the now opened lines and temp energize the home. It's still better than maintaining a direct (but burning) link, though. -- Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is illegal. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
Mark F
Thu, 09 Feb 2017 14:23:17 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote: I'd say all appliances should be replaced by the power company if any in the house failed, or at least anything that fails in the next 5 years should be replaced when it fails. I've had very little success getting power companies to replace anything in a home due to an electrical malfunction that was their fault. As far as they seem to be concerned, your appliances and protection for them is your responsibility. Even if their transformer sends way too much juice to your house, that's somehow, not their fault. I can understand their position on it, but, I also see it from the owner of now dead electronics/electrical devices in their home. Also: A UPS is more likely to get fried itself in the cases like in the above report. House MOV seems like the only hope to protect from these events. They do a reasonably decent job too. However, they cannot do a damn thing if the incoming voltage has enough amps to jump across the now open lines inside the meter box. If the current is high enough, a couple of inches of space isn't going to make a difference, it'll jump (it's not a stable connection, but it's a connection) across and complete the previously opened circuits. It won't be able to maintain it for very long, assuming other safety circuits are kicking in around this time and shutting it down, OR, it finally burns enough off during the arc jump that it can't hold anymore. Until one or both happens though, your house is being energized, and likely way more than anything plugged in inside the house is going to be happy with. -- Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is illegal. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
Phil Hobbs
Wed, 08 Feb 2017 22:13:00 GMT in alt.home.repair, wrote: It matters where the big arc happens, though. You don't clear a high energy 1600-4800V circuit with a domestic 240V breaker, that's for sure. The result is an _arc flash_, which you do _not_ want in your vicinity, trust me. (Youtube has a lot of examples if you doubt this.) The arc flash isn't even the big killer. It's the shockwave ahead of the arc flash that does the most damage if the voltage/amperage is high enough. It can turn your organs into mush before the fireball gets close enough to light you up. Having a major league arc flash on a cinderblock foundation outside the house is a very different proposition from having one in a breaker box mounted to a wooden stud wall inside, for one thing, but I'm outside my experience here, so I'll happily defer to any actual power engineering types who want to chime in. When I'm tasked with the job of bringing circuits online, I tend to do it with a long plastic stick at an angle; I'm stepping off to the side. This way, if something is wrong, I don't get the shockwave and arc flash right in my face. Nothing like finishing out a premod home only to findout one or more wires wasn't labeled correctly and one is actually about to feed 120 into the live side of a 120volt breaker that's living on the other leg. So, when you turn this breaker on, you're actually running both legs into each other on that breaker. It shoots fire out the sides and hums something awful before it trips right back out. Atleast with the cinderblock foundation, it's essentially an open environment so the arc flash and shockwave can dissipate faster. When it's enclosed (as in, inside a panel), it can be much more devastating. Not only for the panel and it's guts, but, yours too. -- Sarcasm, because beating the living **** out of deserving people is illegal. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
Diesel writes:
(Michael Moroney) news alt.home.repair, wrote: Up the street from me, they upgraded a MV distribution circuit from a lower voltage to a higher one (13,800V I believe). Have they been adding on to the circuits in your area? New buildings, etc? What was the previous voltage? No new construction/new loads in that area. It may have been done to allow that circuit to provide an additional 13.8K feed to a medical center a ways upstream. I am uncertain of the old voltage but the nameplate for a regulator transformer on a nearby old circuit reads 2400V which seems kind of low. The utility seems to have been upgrading other older/lower voltage circuits in the area as well. I've also seen the results of that type of surge. The top of a pole broke in a storm and the 4800V MV distribution wires made contact with the 120V/240V feed to houses. Two of them burned to the ground. Ouch! I've seen this happen before too. Doesn't typically end well for the building and/or the electrical system/attached devices inside. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On 10/2/2017 7:52 πμ, Michael Moroney wrote:
Diesel writes: (Michael Moroney) news alt.home.repair, wrote: Up the street from me, they upgraded a MV distribution circuit from a lower voltage to a higher one (13,800V I believe). Have they been adding on to the circuits in your area? New buildings, etc? What was the previous voltage? No new construction/new loads in that area. It may have been done to allow that circuit to provide an additional 13.8K feed to a medical center a ways upstream. I am uncertain of the old voltage but the nameplate for a regulator transformer on a nearby old circuit reads 2400V which seems kind of low. The utility seems to have been upgrading other older/lower voltage circuits in the area as well. I've also seen the results of that type of surge. The top of a pole broke in a storm and the 4800V MV distribution wires made contact with the 120V/240V feed to houses. Two of them burned to the ground. Ouch! I've seen this happen before too. Doesn't typically end well for the building and/or the electrical system/attached devices inside. Here in Iraklion,Crete MV used to be 15kV, now it's 20 kV I think. Usually we don't have accidents of the primary messing with the secondary. MV distribution is all around the city with buried cables, some of them are very old, with paper insulation. However, there was a bad accident where a lineman was connecting a new supermaket to a 20kV circuit, there were two buried cables, and they have a special device that checks if the cable is live. So he checked and it wasn't. But back at the substation they energized it and the arc flash instantly killed him, and temporary blinding everyone at the vicinity.And in the Thessaloniki substation, a potential transformer exploded (400 kV) and the debris destroyed an auto transformer (400/150 kV) and there were serious problems with power for the whole area. I have a surge power strip on my computer and when I turn my PC off I throw both the PSU switch and the power strip one. On my stereo I have a voltage regulator and when off I throw the VR's switch, the power strip's and the amp's. That should be enough. If there's an 20kV surge the PC and the stereo would be the least of my worries. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On 02/10/2017 12:52 AM, Michael Moroney wrote:
Diesel writes: (Michael Moroney) news alt.home.repair, wrote: Up the street from me, they upgraded a MV distribution circuit from a lower voltage to a higher one (13,800V I believe). Have they been adding on to the circuits in your area? New buildings, etc? What was the previous voltage? No new construction/new loads in that area. It may have been done to allow that circuit to provide an additional 13.8K feed to a medical center a ways upstream. I am uncertain of the old voltage but the nameplate for a regulator transformer on a nearby old circuit reads 2400V which seems kind of low. The utility seems to have been upgrading other older/lower voltage circuits in the area as well. In my neighbourhood the top line is usually 1600V, with one or a few pole pigs per block to make 120-0-120V. Of course we're about half a mile from the substation. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:48:18 -0500, Phil Hobbs
wrote: On 02/10/2017 12:52 AM, Michael Moroney wrote: Diesel writes: (Michael Moroney) news alt.home.repair, wrote: Up the street from me, they upgraded a MV distribution circuit from a lower voltage to a higher one (13,800V I believe). Have they been adding on to the circuits in your area? New buildings, etc? What was the previous voltage? No new construction/new loads in that area. It may have been done to allow that circuit to provide an additional 13.8K feed to a medical center a ways upstream. I am uncertain of the old voltage but the nameplate for a regulator transformer on a nearby old circuit reads 2400V which seems kind of low. The utility seems to have been upgrading other older/lower voltage circuits in the area as well. In my neighbourhood the top line is usually 1600V, with one or a few pole pigs per block to make 120-0-120V. Of course we're about half a mile from the substation. Cheers Phil Hobbs The top line running down my street is 7200 volts. Maybe that's because I live in a rural area. It seems high to me but the guy from PSE told me that it is not unusual, at least where I live. Eric |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
Phil Hobbs wrote:
In my neighbourhood the top line is usually 1600V, with one or a few pole pigs per block to make 120-0-120V. Of course we're about half a mile from the substation. Interesting, they run 7200 V here. I read the plate on a transformer when it was down on the ground for replacement. So, anybody know how the folks in Brookville are getting their lives back together? With the burned siding and meters in some pictures, I doubt much electrical in those houses survived. Everything from light bulbs to the breaker panels and in-wall wiring might need to be replaced. I guess electrical contractors are going to be busy for some time. Jon |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
The Washington Post had some great photos of a house with every outlet and switch blown out of the walls. Seems there was a FIOS installer trenching there when it happened. The WP didn't say, but from the imagery, I suspect they crossed the 34KV feed to the pictured pad-mount transformer with its 240/120 output. It was news because Verizontal refused to pay; saying it was the contractor's fault not theirs. -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 16:41:37 -0000, David Lesher wrote:
The Washington Post had some great photos of a house with every outlet and switch blown out of the walls. Seems there was a FIOS installer trenching there when it happened. The WP didn't say, but from the imagery, I suspect they crossed the 34KV feed to the pictured pad-mount transformer with its 240/120 output. It was news because Verizontal refused to pay; saying it was the contractor's fault not theirs. Which it was. But the contractor should have to pay, and Verizon has to pay in the interim, just as if you order something online and it's lost in the post, it's the postal company's fault, but you still claim from the seller, and the seller from the postal company. -- My wife and I were watching Who Wants To Be A Millionaire while we were in bed. I turned to her and said, "Do you want to have sex?" "No," she answered. I then said, "Is that your final answer?" She didn't even look at me this time, simply saying, "Yes...." So I said, "Then I'd like to phone a friend." And that's when the fight started... |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear inhundreds of homes
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"James Wilkinson Sword" wrote: it's the postal company's fault, but you still claim from the seller, and the seller from the postal company. Wrong again. |
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[FoxNews]A small town's sudden power surge fried tech gear in hundreds of homes
"James Wilkinson Sword" writes:
It was news because Verizontal refused to pay; saying it was the contractor's fault not theirs. Which it was. But the contractor should have to pay, and Verizon has to pay in the interim, just as if you order something online and it's lost in the post, it's the postal company's fault, but you still claim from the seller, and the seller from the postal company. Have you ever won an argument with Verizontal? -- A host is a host from coast to & no one will talk to a host that's close.......................... Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 |
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