Hi All,

Firstly I realise this group isn't perhaps the best place to ask - but
I couldn't think where else to ask (and have had great advice from here
before!).

Quick question: We have just bought an Ariston AWD12S washing machine.
This doesn't seem to be drawing hot water from the supply (but
instantly goes for the cold - without even trying to use the hot
supply).

The place we bought this from are being useless, and the manufacturer
has told us that this machine doesn't draw water from the hot supply
unless it really needs to - apparently it has an integral heating
element.

Well, we've put it on a hot wash - but the thing is so well insulated
we can't tell if the drum is getting hot or not.

Question is - is this normal nowadays? Do machine tend to have
internal heating elements? If so - why have a hot supply?

Or - are they just trying to avoid the fact it's broken?

Any comments would be appreciated

Regards,


Steve
Bristol, UK
--
Amateur Radio UK:- http://www.aruk.org.uk

In article , Steve
2E0NSP writes

Hi All,

Firstly I realise this group isn't perhaps the best place to ask - but
I couldn't think where else to ask (and have had great advice from here
before!).

Quick question: We have just bought an Ariston AWD12S washing machine.
This doesn't seem to be drawing hot water from the supply (but
instantly goes for the cold - without even trying to use the hot
supply).

The place we bought this from are being useless, and the manufacturer
has told us that this machine doesn't draw water from the hot supply
unless it really needs to - apparently it has an integral heating
element.

Well, we've put it on a hot wash - but the thing is so well insulated
we can't tell if the drum is getting hot or not.

Question is - is this normal nowadays? Do machine tend to have
internal heating elements? If so - why have a hot supply?

Yes it's normal

They only take hot water on the hottest cycle (90 deg C). I think this
is because they don't have control over the hot water temperature, so
play it safe in case the hot is too hot for the cooler cycles. They can
heat cold water but can't cool hot water.

Even when they do use hot water, they hardly take enough to get the
pipes warm.

--
Tim Mitchell

Steve 2E0NSP wrote:
Hi All,

Firstly I realise this group isn't perhaps the best place to ask - but
I couldn't think where else to ask (and have had great advice from here
before!).

Quick question: We have just bought an Ariston AWD12S washing machine.
This doesn't seem to be drawing hot water from the supply (but
instantly goes for the cold - without even trying to use the hot
supply).

The place we bought this from are being useless, and the manufacturer
has told us that this machine doesn't draw water from the hot supply
unless it really needs to - apparently it has an integral heating
element.

Well, we've put it on a hot wash - but the thing is so well insulated
we can't tell if the drum is getting hot or not.

Question is - is this normal nowadays? Do machine tend to have
internal heating elements? If so - why have a hot supply?

Or - are they just trying to avoid the fact it's broken?

Any comments would be appreciated


Hi Steve...

Don't know the brand at all, but I suspect you're being
conned...

Would a quick test be to toss in an old towel or two,
select hot, then turn off the cold supply? See if you
get any water at all?

I doubt that it tries to heat cold internally. I do know
that you UK chaps use 220 ac, but don't know the
wiring there... if it's 14/2 then suspect there's
not more than 7 or 8 amps available per outlet (breaker)

If that's the case, then the heating element if in fact
there is one couldn't be very large; would take
virtually forever to heat ground temperature water
to even lukewarm...

Take care.

Ken

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:21:00 GMT, Ken Weitzel
wrote:



Steve 2E0NSP wrote:
Hi All,

Firstly I realise this group isn't perhaps the best place to ask - but
I couldn't think where else to ask (and have had great advice from here
before!).

Quick question: We have just bought an Ariston AWD12S washing machine.
This doesn't seem to be drawing hot water from the supply (but
instantly goes for the cold - without even trying to use the hot
supply).

The place we bought this from are being useless, and the manufacturer
has told us that this machine doesn't draw water from the hot supply
unless it really needs to - apparently it has an integral heating
element.

Well, we've put it on a hot wash - but the thing is so well insulated
we can't tell if the drum is getting hot or not.

Question is - is this normal nowadays? Do machine tend to have
internal heating elements? If so - why have a hot supply?

Or - are they just trying to avoid the fact it's broken?

Any comments would be appreciated


Hi Steve...

Don't know the brand at all, but I suspect you're being
conned...

Would a quick test be to toss in an old towel or two,
select hot, then turn off the cold supply? See if you
get any water at all?

I doubt that it tries to heat cold internally. I do know
that you UK chaps use 220 ac, but don't know the
wiring there... if it's 14/2 then suspect there's
not more than 7 or 8 amps available per outlet (breaker)

If that's the case, then the heating element if in fact
there is one couldn't be very large; would take
virtually forever to heat ground temperature water
to even lukewarm...

Take care.

Ken


I suspect the advice already given is correct, filling with HOT water
on a Cold or Cool wash would be a bit daft, as stated it can not cool
water....but some machines do mix both on inital fill.

For Ken,

LOTS if not ALL UK automatic washers heat water, no idea about wire
size but UK domestic sockets can and will supply up to approx 13Amps
and most washers haveheaters rated at about 2 KW, normal cycle time is
fairly quick as well.

"that parrot chap" wrote in message
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On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:21:00 GMT, Ken Weitzel
wrote:



Steve 2E0NSP wrote:
Hi All,

Firstly I realise this group isn't perhaps the best place to ask - but
I couldn't think where else to ask (and have had great advice from here
before!).

Quick question: We have just bought an Ariston AWD12S washing machine.
This doesn't seem to be drawing hot water from the supply (but
instantly goes for the cold - without even trying to use the hot
supply).

The place we bought this from are being useless, and the manufacturer
has told us that this machine doesn't draw water from the hot supply
unless it really needs to - apparently it has an integral heating
element.

Well, we've put it on a hot wash - but the thing is so well insulated
we can't tell if the drum is getting hot or not.

Question is - is this normal nowadays? Do machine tend to have
internal heating elements? If so - why have a hot supply?

Or - are they just trying to avoid the fact it's broken?

Any comments would be appreciated


Hi Steve...

Don't know the brand at all, but I suspect you're being
conned...

Would a quick test be to toss in an old towel or two,
select hot, then turn off the cold supply? See if you
get any water at all?

I doubt that it tries to heat cold internally. I do know
that you UK chaps use 220 ac, but don't know the
wiring there... if it's 14/2 then suspect there's
not more than 7 or 8 amps available per outlet (breaker)

If that's the case, then the heating element if in fact
there is one couldn't be very large; would take
virtually forever to heat ground temperature water
to even lukewarm...

Take care.

Ken


I suspect the advice already given is correct, filling with HOT water
on a Cold or Cool wash would be a bit daft, as stated it can not cool
water....but some machines do mix both on inital fill.

For Ken,

LOTS if not ALL UK automatic washers heat water, no idea about wire
size but UK domestic sockets can and will supply up to approx 13Amps
and most washers haveheaters rated at about 2 KW, normal cycle time is
fairly quick as well.

There does appear to be some confusion across the pond about the electricity
supply used in the UK, here's a URL that may help throw a little bit of
light on the subject.

http://www.diydata.com/planning/ring_main/ring_main.htm

ivan wrote:

snip

There does appear to be some confusion across the pond about the electricity
supply used in the UK, here's a URL that may help throw a little bit of
light on the subject.

http://www.diydata.com/planning/ring_main/ring_main.htm

Hi Ivan...

Thanks for that; interesting reading. I guess the
confusion is understandable - what you do is
very different than what we do out here in the
colonies

I wish I knew a url to pass on to you so that you could
see how ours is done - given that I don't feel free to
ask anything you wish...

Take care.

Ken

PS - you're feeding something you folks call a
"shower"... if that what we might call an
(electric) water heater?

Ken Weitzel wrote:


ivan wrote:

snip

There does appear to be some confusion across the pond about the electricity
supply used in the UK, here's a URL that may help throw a little bit of
light on the subject.



Thanks for all your responses ... you've (as always) been very helpful.

Many Thanks,


Steve
Bristol, UK
--
Amateur Radio UK:- http://www.aruk.org.uk

In article QC2Jc.11360$Mr4.3058@pd7tw1no, Ken Weitzel
writes
PS - you're feeding something you folks call a
"shower"... if that what we might call an
(electric) water heater?

No, really a shower. The thing you stand under to have a wash. The water
flow rate can be a bit weedy depending on the power of the heater.

--
Tim Mitchell

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 16:21:00 GMT, Ken Weitzel
wrote:




I doubt that it tries to heat cold internally.

afaik, all UK front loading washing machines have a heating element.

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