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RCA TV turning off and on
I own an RCA 27" console TV, Model #: G27220TN, Chasis: CTC169CA that was
Manf. on 8/1991. I am having problems when I turn it on, the green light on the front comes on for about a second, and before the picture comes up, it shuts itself back off. Then it goes into a cycle of shutting on and off about once per second, and can last up to 5 minutes before it finally comes on and stays on. During this period there is a squiggly white line that shows up on the screen each time it comes on. I did some initial googling and found that the on/off problem seems to be common among older RCA televisions, and I am wondering if it is worth repair or if maybe I could even fix it myself. I noticed a few posts talking about loose solder connections, in which case if I knew what to check I could probably re-solder. I know nothing about tv repair, other than don't open it unless it's been unplugged for 48hrs. This is not a primary TV, so it is really not a big deal, I'm just curious what I'm looking at for a repair bill. If it is more than say $50-100, it's really not worth it (I only paid $100 for it in the first place). But if I could re-solder some connections and get it back in shape, I would definately try that. Anyone know what is causing this? Also, anyone know where I could find some documentation or guides for repairing this model? Or any safety precautions? Thanks for any help, Matt |
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:59:40 -0600, "Matt"
wrote: I own an RCA 27" console TV, Model #: G27220TN, Chasis: CTC169CA that was Manf. on 8/1991. I am having problems when I turn it on, the green light on the front comes on for about a second, and before the picture comes up, it shuts itself back off. Then it goes into a cycle of shutting on and off about once per second, and can last up to 5 minutes before it finally comes on and stays on. During this period there is a squiggly white line that shows up on the screen each time it comes on. I did some initial googling and found that the on/off problem seems to be common among older RCA televisions, and I am wondering if it is worth repair or if maybe I could even fix it myself. I noticed a few posts talking about loose solder connections, in which case if I knew what to check I could probably re-solder. I know nothing about tv repair, other than don't open it unless it's been unplugged for 48hrs. This is not a primary TV, so it is really not a big deal, I'm just curious what I'm looking at for a repair bill. If it is more than say $50-100, it's really not worth it (I only paid $100 for it in the first place). But if I could re-solder some connections and get it back in shape, I would definately try that. Anyone know what is causing this? The CTC 169 is/was a very good chassis. It's getting old, but may be worth repairing. Was the picture/sound good before the problem? Does it have at least some of the features you want? It is also very particular about how it is treated during troubleshooting, like most complicated electronics equipment. Experienced technicians who see these for the first time have problems, so you shouldn't try it yourself. Also, anyone know where I could find some documentation or guides for repairing this model? Or any safety precautions? Do a Google search...if you don't decide to fix it, may I suggest that you give it to someone who will, or donate it to a shop...keep it out of the landfill. :-) Tom Thanks for any help, Matt |
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bad caps in power supply esr meter will find them
"Matt" wrote in message ... I own an RCA 27" console TV, Model #: G27220TN, Chasis: CTC169CA that was Manf. on 8/1991. I am having problems when I turn it on, the green light on the front comes on for about a second, and before the picture comes up, it shuts itself back off. Then it goes into a cycle of shutting on and off about once per second, and can last up to 5 minutes before it finally comes on and stays on. During this period there is a squiggly white line that shows up on the screen each time it comes on. I did some initial googling and found that the on/off problem seems to be common among older RCA televisions, and I am wondering if it is worth repair or if maybe I could even fix it myself. I noticed a few posts talking about loose solder connections, in which case if I knew what to check I could probably re-solder. I know nothing about tv repair, other than don't open it unless it's been unplugged for 48hrs. This is not a primary TV, so it is really not a big deal, I'm just curious what I'm looking at for a repair bill. If it is more than say $50-100, it's really not worth it (I only paid $100 for it in the first place). But if I could re-solder some connections and get it back in shape, I would definately try that. Anyone know what is causing this? Also, anyone know where I could find some documentation or guides for repairing this model? Or any safety precautions? Thanks for any help, Matt |
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if you look under the board you can look for cold solder joints, you will
see a ring wher the solder is loding connection, and a screwdriver whack will usually cycle these connections, but it almost sounds like a component that is going out of tolerance, to find this out you can take a heat gun, or hair dryer, and without frying anything, after you let the set cool off for a 1/2 hour after trying to turn it on, you can heat the whole board up when it is warm, just see if it turns on and stays on the first time then. if so, then you need to heat up only section at a time, and try it again, then you can narrow it down to one component this way, this will help diagnose the problem, but then you will need some decent meters to check those components afterwords like esr meter which can be difficult for an amateur at times. wolf "Tom MacIntyre" wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:59:40 -0600, "Matt" wrote: I own an RCA 27" console TV, Model #: G27220TN, Chasis: CTC169CA that was Manf. on 8/1991. I am having problems when I turn it on, the green light on the front comes on for about a second, and before the picture comes up, it shuts itself back off. Then it goes into a cycle of shutting on and off about once per second, and can last up to 5 minutes before it finally comes on and stays on. During this period there is a squiggly white line that shows up on the screen each time it comes on. I did some initial googling and found that the on/off problem seems to be common among older RCA televisions, and I am wondering if it is worth repair or if maybe I could even fix it myself. I noticed a few posts talking about loose solder connections, in which case if I knew what to check I could probably re-solder. I know nothing about tv repair, other than don't open it unless it's been unplugged for 48hrs. This is not a primary TV, so it is really not a big deal, I'm just curious what I'm looking at for a repair bill. If it is more than say $50-100, it's really not worth it (I only paid $100 for it in the first place). But if I could re-solder some connections and get it back in shape, I would definately try that. Anyone know what is causing this? The CTC 169 is/was a very good chassis. It's getting old, but may be worth repairing. Was the picture/sound good before the problem? Does it have at least some of the features you want? It is also very particular about how it is treated during troubleshooting, like most complicated electronics equipment. Experienced technicians who see these for the first time have problems, so you shouldn't try it yourself. Also, anyone know where I could find some documentation or guides for repairing this model? Or any safety precautions? Do a Google search...if you don't decide to fix it, may I suggest that you give it to someone who will, or donate it to a shop...keep it out of the landfill. :-) Tom Thanks for any help, Matt |
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On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:10:22 -0600, "Lance Dyer"
wrote: bad caps in power supply esr meter will find them "Matt" wrote in message ... I own an RCA 27" console TV, Model #: G27220TN, Chasis: CTC169CA that was Manf. on 8/1991. I am having problems when I turn it on, the green light on Most number 1: How good the picture quality? If still nice, it is worth fixing. The 169'ers is excellent chassis but *tricky* one for unfamillar. Now on this "rebooting itself", it is either barely bad diode location: CR4118 (use 243636 RCA part number). Or HV shutdown cutting in and out. Vertical problems doesn't make it shut down, this circuit is enabled for projector which will trip the shutdown, on direct view CRT it will give you a straight horizontal line not wavy line. The switching power supply is 100% duty whatever tv is on or off. Means those four electrolytic capacitors in the hot side will be a problem except they usually cause TV not to start or too high B+ in standby. Change those four caps. There is small cap that smoothes out ripple for the horizontal transformer supply. 47uF 50V I think. RCA boards are best soldered with adjustable soldering irons set for 550F for light to medium joints, for heavy ones set to 600F. Too much heat lifts the traces/pads. Cheers, Wizard |
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Matt posted in sci.electronics.repair , in article c2b49g$1rrl3k$1@ID-
127463.news.uni-berlin.de, at Fri, 5 Mar 2004 17:59:40 -0600: Also, anyone know where I could find some documentation or guides for repairing this model? Or any safety precautions? Probably, capacitors in the power supply are getting bad. An ESR meter will help finding them. It would not be something that costs too much to repair, methinks. If you want to try it by yourself, you can find lots of safety info at www.repairfaq.org . []s! -- Chaos Master® - Porto Alegre, Brazil! IRC #XLinuxNews or #POA of irc.brasnet.org , nick Wizard_of_Yendor . Powered by NetHack (www.nethack.org) , Slackware 9.1 (Linux User #327480 - at work) CygWin, GnuWin32, and so on.. |
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ahh, is that why i keep lifting trace pads at 850 degrees? thanks for the
info... i thought maybe 700, but 550-600? ok. wolf "Jason D." wrote in message ... On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 23:10:22 -0600, "Lance Dyer" wrote: bad caps in power supply esr meter will find them "Matt" wrote in message ... I own an RCA 27" console TV, Model #: G27220TN, Chasis: CTC169CA that was Manf. on 8/1991. I am having problems when I turn it on, the green light on Most number 1: How good the picture quality? If still nice, it is worth fixing. The 169'ers is excellent chassis but *tricky* one for unfamillar. Now on this "rebooting itself", it is either barely bad diode location: CR4118 (use 243636 RCA part number). Or HV shutdown cutting in and out. Vertical problems doesn't make it shut down, this circuit is enabled for projector which will trip the shutdown, on direct view CRT it will give you a straight horizontal line not wavy line. The switching power supply is 100% duty whatever tv is on or off. Means those four electrolytic capacitors in the hot side will be a problem except they usually cause TV not to start or too high B+ in standby. Change those four caps. There is small cap that smoothes out ripple for the horizontal transformer supply. 47uF 50V I think. RCA boards are best soldered with adjustable soldering irons set for 550F for light to medium joints, for heavy ones set to 600F. Too much heat lifts the traces/pads. Cheers, Wizard |
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