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why are salesmen such idiots?
SEVEN SEVILLE wrote:
Looking for an MP3 player for my recently acquired truck I went to the local electronics store which shall remain nameless. I asked the the car stereo guy (just last week he was working the television department) about MP3 players and he showed me a few and told me all this riff raff and suggested that I would be happier with XM radio. I was like WTF, i outta just stick with the stock AM/FM that's in there right now. Not much difference between XM and FM you know, they even had a sample in the showroom and you can hear the compression artyfacts. Does any of you own an car MP3 player? Who makes it? How much did it cost? How well does it play MP3's? How does the FM tuner come in? Kenwood makes a whole line of good MP3 capable players without satellite radio. They work very well in fact. |
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why are salesmen such idiots?
"SEVEN SEVILLE" wrote in message ... Looking for an MP3 player for my recently acquired truck I went to the local electronics store which shall remain nameless. I asked the the car stereo guy (just last week he was working the television department) about MP3 players and he showed me a few and told me all this riff raff and suggested that I would be happier with XM radio. I was like WTF, i outta just stick with the stock AM/FM that's in there right now. Not much difference between XM and FM you know, they even had a sample in the showroom and you can hear the compression artyfacts. Hmm, interestin thing about compression. I understand you're not interested in XM, but I have to "rant." I picked up my XM radio a year or so ago. It was Alpine's XMA-T200RF unit. It came with an FM modulator to make it co-exist with stock systems easier. I, too, could hear the compression artifacts. I believe some stations are dynamically allocated bandwidth and suffer from compression less. Anyways, I decided to crack open the XM receiver and tap into the line outputs (that go to the modulator) and run them to my stereo. It could be a placebo effect, but it sounded better. Going direct got rid of the FM bandwidth limitations. Again, this could be purely subjective, but I didn't notice the compression artifacts as much. Just my two quid, -Tim Does any of you own an car MP3 player? Who makes it? How much did it cost? How well does it play MP3's? How does the FM tuner come in? |
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You can get car radios that are FM/AM/CD that will play MP3's. The one in
my car will do all of these but not play MP3's. There are many models of cars being sold with standard FM/AM/CD car radios that will play MP3's. MP3 is just another standard that requires its own type of decoding. Many of the new CD and DVD players for home use will play MP3's. As for the satellite radio, I would not want this myself. I like to hear the local news and traffic reports when going around. I also like our local rock and jazz stations. With XM radio, you pay and just get music. Because of the quality of most of these radios, and the way that they compress the signals, I found them to have some artefacts to my perception when listening. I personally would not go to the bother of doing a detailed test on one of these. Another thing, in my personal opinion, I don't think the subscription fees for satellite radio are worth for what I would be getting. For the amount of time that a person spends in their car, or even to listen to radio at home, I think these fees can be put for something more useful. -- Where you went for your radio, I have to say that the salesman is not really an idiot, if you know what I mean. He wants to make his commissions. He probably gets paid mainly on his sales. If he can sell you a subscription for the XM service, he and his employer will have a continuous commission for each month your are paying for a period of up to 1 year (from what I have read). Many of these services pay the vendor a commission for the sale, and then a commission for each month that the subscriber stays with his plan. This is how it works over here with the sales of satellite TV and telephone services. I the area where I am located, our telephone company pays the vendor about $15 for each contract subscription that they sell. They then get about 3% up to about 10%, depending on the type of contract of sale, of the subscriber's payments for up to one year as commission of sale. The dealers usually split this with the employee who did the sale. I know of some salesmen who have many hundreds of these types of sales under them. They are making a good income from this alone. I have seen situations where the salesmen will lie about the availability of a product, because he wants to make a bigger commission from the one that the already has. Or, he does not have the one you want in stock, and he is too anxious to sell you another type that he has in stock. In your case, I am very sure that the salesman wants to suck you in to taking the services so that he can make extra cash for himself, and have more points from his employer. If he is the owner or a partner in the establishment, he probably even makes more for himself. There are many stores where I will not go in to because of the pressure to buy from them. They come after you like hungry dogs! When purchasing at any store, make sure that you understand their return policy. This is important in case you buy something, and you are not happy with it. Always check out a number of places for the same type of item before putting down your money for it. Carefully compare prices and options available for what you are buying. -- Greetings, Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG ========================================= WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com Electronics http://www.zoom-one.com/electron.htm ========================================= "SEVEN SEVILLE" wrote in message ... Looking for an MP3 player for my recently acquired truck I went to the local electronics store which shall remain nameless. I asked the the car stereo guy (just last week he was working the television department) about MP3 players and he showed me a few and told me all this riff raff and suggested that I would be happier with XM radio. I was like WTF, i outta just stick with the stock AM/FM that's in there right now. Not much difference between XM and FM you know, they even had a sample in the showroom and you can hear the compression artyfacts. Does any of you own an car MP3 player? Who makes it? How much did it cost? How well does it play MP3's? How does the FM tuner come in? |
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You can get car radios that are FM/AM/CD that will play MP3's. The one in
my car will do all of these but not play MP3's. There are many models of cars being sold with standard FM/AM/CD car radios that will now play MP3's. MP3 is just another standard that requires its own type of decoding. Many of the new CD and DVD players for home use will play MP3's. As for the satellite radio, I would not want this myself. I like to hear the local news and traffic reports when going around. I also like our local rock and jazz stations. With XM radio, you pay and just get music. Because of the quality of most of these radios, and the way that they compress the signals, I found them to have some artefacts to my perception when listening. I personally would not go to the bother of doing a detailed test on one of these. Another thing, in my personal opinion, I don't think the subscription fees for satellite radio are worth for what I would be getting. For the amount of time that a person spends in their car, or even to listen to radio at home, I think these fees can be put for something more useful. -- Where you went for your radio, I have to say that the salesman is not really an idiot, if you know what I mean. He wants to make his commissions. He probably gets paid mainly on his sales. If he can sell you a subscription for the XM service, he and his employer will have a continuous commission for each month your are paying for a period of up to 1 year (from what I have read). Many of these services pay the vendor a commission for the sale, and then a commission for each month that the subscriber stays with his plan. This is how it works over here with the sales of satellite TV and telephone services. I the area where I am located, our telephone company pays the vendor about $15 for each contract subscription that they sell. They then get about 3% up to about 10%, depending on the type of contract of sale, of the subscriber's payments for up to one year as commission of sale. The dealers usually split this with the employee who did the sale. I know of some salesmen who have many hundreds of these types of sales under them. They are making a good income from this alone. I have seen situations where the salesmen will lie about the availability of a product, because he wants to make a bigger commission from the one that the already has. Or, he does not have the one you want in stock, and he is too anxious to sell you another type that he has in stock. In your case, I am very sure that the salesman wants to suck you in to taking the services so that he can make extra cash for himself, and have more points from his employer. If he is the owner or a partner in the establishment, he probably even makes more for himself. There are many stores where I will not go in to because of the pressure to buy from them. They come after you like hungry dogs! When purchasing at any store, make sure that you understand their return policy. This is important in case you buy something, and you are not happy with it. Always check out a number of places for the same type of item before putting down your money for it. Carefully compare prices and options available for what you are buying. -- Greetings, Jerry Greenberg GLG Technologies GLG ========================================= WebPage http://www.zoom-one.com Electronics http://www.zoom-one.com/electron.htm ========================================= "SEVEN SEVILLE" wrote in message ... Looking for an MP3 player for my recently acquired truck I went to the local electronics store which shall remain nameless. I asked the the car stereo guy (just last week he was working the television department) about MP3 players and he showed me a few and told me all this riff raff and suggested that I would be happier with XM radio. I was like WTF, i outta just stick with the stock AM/FM that's in there right now. Not much difference between XM and FM you know, they even had a sample in the showroom and you can hear the compression artyfacts. Does any of you own an car MP3 player? Who makes it? How much did it cost? How well does it play MP3's? How does the FM tuner come in? |
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why not grab a Nomad Zen player and a $20 FM modulator?
"SEVEN SEVILLE" wrote in message ... Looking for an MP3 player for my recently acquired truck I went to the local electronics store which shall remain nameless. I asked the the car stereo guy (just last week he was working the television department) about MP3 players and he showed me a few and told me all this riff raff and suggested that I would be happier with XM radio. I was like WTF, i outta just stick with the stock AM/FM that's in there right now. Not much difference between XM and FM you know, they even had a sample in the showroom and you can hear the compression artyfacts. Does any of you own an car MP3 player? Who makes it? How much did it cost? How well does it play MP3's? How does the FM tuner come in? |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:15:09 -0500, SEVEN SEVILLE wrote:
Looking for an MP3 player for my recently acquired truck I went to the local electronics store which shall remain nameless. I asked the the car stereo guy (just last week he was working the television department) about MP3 players and he showed me a few and told me all this riff raff and suggested that I would be happier with XM radio. I was like WTF, i outta just stick with the stock AM/FM that's in there right now. Not much difference between XM and FM you know, they even had a sample in the showroom and you can hear the compression artyfacts. Does any of you own an car MP3 player? Who makes it? How much did it cost? How well does it play MP3's? How does the FM tuner come in? All I do to play my MP3s in the company car is, I just burn them onto CDRWs as audio-CDs (the Ford CD-player that's fitted, plays CDRWs OK). When I'm tired of the selections, I just re-format the CDRW and start again. -- Michael Turner Email (ROT13) |
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"ReEfErMaDnEsS" wrote in message news:nZLXb.311811$I06.3160189@attbi_s01... why not grab a Nomad Zen player and a $20 FM modulator? That works, but it's rather kludgey, it's much nicer to have all the controls right on the head unit. |
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Jerry G. wrote: You can get car radios that are FM/AM/CD that will play MP3's. The one in my car will do all of these but not play MP3's. There are many models of cars being sold with standard FM/AM/CD car radios that will play MP3's. MP3 is just another standard that requires its own type of decoding. Many of the new CD and DVD players for home use will play MP3's. As for the satellite radio, I would not want this myself. I like to hear the local news and traffic reports when going around. I also like our local rock and jazz stations. With XM radio, you pay and just get music. Because of the quality of most of these radios, and the way that they compress the signals, I found them to have some artefacts to my perception when listening. I personally would not go to the bother of doing a detailed test on one of these. Another thing, in my personal opinion, I don't think the subscription fees for satellite radio are worth for what I would be getting. For the amount of time that a person spends in their car, or even to listen to radio at home, I think these fees can be put for something more useful. -- Personally, i do not own one and would not pay for a subscription. BUT, there are many people who spend a lot of time in there cars where it would be beneficial. A few trucking companies i do work for have these in there cross country trucks. Going across the mountains, radio sucks. The XM works. They love it. Is it for everybody? NO. It would be good for background music in commercial establishments too. (rights issues aside) Bob -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:20:55 -0600, (remove)sound wrote:
Personally, i do not own one and would not pay for a subscription. BUT, there are many people who spend a lot of time in there cars where it would be beneficial. A few trucking companies i do work for have these in there cross country trucks. Going across the mountains, radio sucks. The XM works. They love it. Is it for everybody? NO. Here in the UK we have a free digital radio service, this is terrestrial based rather than satellite. Gives about 40 stations, some of them are pure-music (with some commercials), no DJs, no spoken-word. It would be good for background music in commercial establishments too. (rights issues aside) I thought commercial establishments stateside already had a commercial satellite music service, DMX: www.dmxmusic.com. They tried DMX here in the UK via cable a few years ago, but the company went bust. -- Michael Turner Email (ROT13) |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:10:17 +0000, michael turner
wrote: On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 10:20:55 -0600, (remove)sound wrote: Personally, i do not own one and would not pay for a subscription. BUT, there are many people who spend a lot of time in there cars where it would be beneficial. A few trucking companies i do work for have these in there cross country trucks. Going across the mountains, radio sucks. The XM works. They love it. Is it for everybody? NO. Here in the UK we have a free digital radio service, this is terrestrial based rather than satellite. Gives about 40 stations, some of them are pure-music (with some commercials), no DJs, no spoken-word. Don't you guys pay a radio license fee as you do for TV? I'm pretty sure that in Germany, they do and they sort of operate on the same paradigm as you do. I could be wrong about this, but I seem to remember having to choose TV or TV/Radio when submitting the proper paperwork. It would be good for background music in commercial establishments too. (rights issues aside) I think that a commercial account would be covered in terms of rights. It would be built into rental. |
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michael turner wrote:
I thought commercial establishments stateside already had a commercial satellite music service, DMX: www.dmxmusic.com. They tried DMX here in the UK via cable a few years ago, but the company went bust. We do. Many establishments get their canned music via DirecTV. Several cable services also broadcast digital music channels, and in larger markets they rebroadcast local AM/FM content for free over their Digital Packages. A long time ago they had SCR (Satellite Commercial Radio) which sent commercial free music over C-band satellites, but this was largely replaced by the micro-dish providers. For individuals, the market is much shallower. The consumer demand on this side of the pond is image driven, and not equity driven. We still don't have jack from RDS other than the station call letters, while in some parts of Europe RDS actually changes the channel for you. -- thelizman teamROCS Car Audio Forums http://www.teamrocs.com/caraudio/ teamROCS Car Audio News http://www.teamrocs.com/news/ "It's about the music, stupid" This post is Copyright (C) 2004. Reproduction of its content anywhere other than the rec.audio.car newsgroup without the express written permission of the author is forbidden. |
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I have both XM and Sirius in my car and love both services. Personally I
think it's worth the $25 a month I pay since I'm driving quite a bit and FM broadcast leaves little to be desired around here. The DJ talk in the mornings is pathetic. Both of my systems are FM modulated and sound pretty good. Hey... you can't take it with you and I can afford it, so why not? It's not contract service like cellular phones, so I can cancel anytime. About the MP3 player comments... Wal-Mart sells a FM modulated CD/MP3 6 disc changer for 90 bucks. I have one and it works great. Best Buy sells an identical CD/MP3 unit, but branded differently, for $229... so I think the Wal-Mart version is a pretty dang good deal. "Jerry G." wrote in message ... As for the satellite radio, I would not want this myself. I like to hear the local news and traffic reports when going around. I also like our local rock and jazz stations. |
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Wal-Mart sells a FM modulated CD/MP3 6 disc
changer for 90 bucks. . Best Buy sells an identical CD/MP3 unit, but branded differently, for $229... What is the name of the two different name brands? |
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One of our customers brought one of the WalMart changers in for us to
install and mentioned that it was only 50 bucks... It was a 10 CD/MP3 changer with a nice scrolling dot-matrix display. The changer was 'Durabrand'... I had to go to WalMart to see for myself - Sure enough! They were on closeout for $50.00 (3 left...) David SoundworksCarAudio.com "Masterson" wrote in message ... Wal-Mart sells a FM modulated CD/MP3 6 disc changer for 90 bucks. . Best Buy sells an identical CD/MP3 unit, but branded differently, for $229... What is the name of the two different name brands? |
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Bypassing the FM modulator and plugging direct will restore channel
separation, dynamic range, reduce distortion, reduce noise, and restore freq. response (as you mentioned). Good move, that. "Tim H." wrote in message news:vcIXb.38418$yE5.137465@attbi_s54... "SEVEN SEVILLE" wrote in message ... Looking for an MP3 player for my recently acquired truck I went to the local electronics store which shall remain nameless. I asked the the car stereo guy (just last week he was working the television department) about MP3 players and he showed me a few and told me all this riff raff and suggested that I would be happier with XM radio. I was like WTF, i outta just stick with the stock AM/FM that's in there right now. Not much difference between XM and FM you know, they even had a sample in the showroom and you can hear the compression artyfacts. Hmm, interestin thing about compression. I understand you're not interested in XM, but I have to "rant." I picked up my XM radio a year or so ago. It was Alpine's XMA-T200RF unit. It came with an FM modulator to make it co-exist with stock systems easier. I, too, could hear the compression artifacts. I believe some stations are dynamically allocated bandwidth and suffer from compression less. Anyways, I decided to crack open the XM receiver and tap into the line outputs (that go to the modulator) and run them to my stereo. It could be a placebo effect, but it sounded better. Going direct got rid of the FM bandwidth limitations. Again, this could be purely subjective, but I didn't notice the compression artifacts as much. Just my two quid, -Tim Does any of you own an car MP3 player? Who makes it? How much did it cost? How well does it play MP3's? How does the FM tuner come in? |
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