On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 01:23:28 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote:

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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EE Times article that came to me by email today

http://www.electronics-eetimes.com/e...s_id=222923405

Mindlessly superficial.

Much like you then ...
Arfa

Nothing profound has ever been said on one line.


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Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
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Nothing profound has ever been said on one line.

Including that statement?

On Sat, 3 Jan 2015 07:05:05 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote:

"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
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Nothing profound has ever been said on one line.

Including that statement?

Of course. Everything I write has a hidden meaning, hidden agenda,
hidden target, or hidden oxymoron.

The problem here is that while I respect the rights of every person to
have an opinion in accordance with freedom of speech, I don't really
care what that opinion might be. I'm interested in the reasoning
behind that opinion, the logic used to arrive at the opinion, and
possibly some examples of why that opinion is correct and others
wrong. I'll then weight all the sides of the discussion, relative to
my needs, and make my own decision. Circumventing this logic process
by merely offering an opinion is a waste of time and bytes.

Also, the proliferation of one-line comments on the web and Usenet
make me suspect that the literacy of those involved is deficient. I
can speculate endlessly as to the reasons for this deterioration in
literacy. One of the more interesting causes is coupled with another
problem. Posters with questions often supply as little information as
possible and require interrogation in order to extract the facts.
One-liners and lack of info are symptoms of the same problem, fear of
screwing up. The more one writes, the easier it is for someone else
to find an error, omission, or logic fault. Rather than be caught
making a mistake, it is much easier to not present a targets.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and
remove all doubt"? (Abraham Lincoln).

It's also possible that the perpetrators of one-liners are stuck in a
write only mode, where they care little about those that might read
the comments. That would class them only slightly better than a
spammer that doesn't read the newsgroup before or after posting their
junk. If this is the problem, I suggest that people posting anything
first consider a simple litmus test. If you don't like reading what
you're about to post, then don't post it.


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Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote
William Sommerwerck wrote
Jeff Liebermann wrote

Nothing profound has ever been said on one line.

Including that statement?

Of course. Everything I write has a hidden meaning,
hidden agenda, hidden target, or hidden oxymoron.

The problem here is that while I respect the rights of every person to
have an opinion in accordance with freedom of speech, I don't really
care what that opinion might be. I'm interested in the reasoning
behind that opinion, the logic used to arrive at the opinion, and
possibly some examples of why that opinion is correct and others
wrong. I'll then weight all the sides of the discussion, relative to
my needs, and make my own decision. Circumventing this logic
process by merely offering an opinion is a waste of time and bytes.

Also, the proliferation of one-line comments on the web and Usenet
make me suspect that the literacy of those involved is deficient.

That line can't explain why some like Churchill specialised in
stinging one liners. Hard to claim his literacy was deficient.

I can speculate endlessly as to the reasons for this deterioration in
literacy. One of the more interesting causes is coupled with another
problem. Posters with questions often supply as little information
as possible and require interrogation in order to extract the facts.

That has always been a problem. Plenty just don't understand that
'it doesn't work anymore' isnt every useful for working out why it doesn't.

One-liners and lack of info are symptoms
of the same problem, fear of screwing up.

I don't buy that with one liners with people like Churchill.

The more one writes, the easier it is for someone
else to find an error, omission, or logic fault.

Yes.

Rather than be caught making a mistake,
it is much easier to not present a targets.

I don't believe that is the reason for one
liners or the lack of detail with a fault either.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than
to speak out and remove all doubt"? (Abraham Lincoln).

Another one liner.

It's also possible that the perpetrators of one-liners are stuck in
a write only mode, where they care little about those that might
read the comments. That would class them only slightly better
than a spammer that doesn't read the newsgroup before or after
posting their junk. If this is the problem, I suggest that people
posting anything first consider a simple litmus test. If you don't
like reading what you're about to post, then don't post it.

Some of us prefer Ab's one liner to your para just above.

On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 20:02:10 +0000, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Jeff
Liebermann wrote:

problem. Posters with questions often supply as little information as
possible and require interrogation in order to extract the facts.
One-liners and lack of info are symptoms of the same problem, fear of
screwing up. The more one writes, the easier it is for someone else
to find an error, omission, or logic fault. Rather than be caught
making a mistake, it is much easier to not present a targets.

Or, of course, being inconsistent within a post. It's late, one is
tired, and so on. Much easier to make a short post than make a longer
one be coherent.

Are you sure?
"I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to
make it short" (Blaise Pascal)

I know how to make things worse. I often post to Usenet when I'm
working in my palatial office. A single long reply might be assembled
in perhaps 5 sections, spread over several hours. I frequently have a
better idea as I go along, and forget to edit the previous great idea
into something that is consistent with the latest great idea. When I
later review the posting, my reaction is usually "Did I write that"?
Sometime long and coherent are mutually exclusive.

I tend to write that way I expect others to write. As I previously
mentioned, I really don't care for one-line opinions and
pontifications. I want to read logic, reasoning, references,
examples, links to related articles, and personal experiences. That's
rather difficult to deliver in a short posting and impossible in a
one-liner.

Also, I'm quite serious about the fear of screwing up. It really bugs
me. With all the rants and conspiracy theories that I write, mistakes
are inevitable. When possible, I admit and correct my mistakes. More
often, I just turn off the computer, and go sulk for a few days.
Sometimes, there's nothing I can write that would be worth reading, so
I just disappear. Eventually, I recover and return until repeated
after my next inevitable mistake. I could greatly improve my batting
average by simply replying with a one-liner, where my ability to screw
things up is severely restricted.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann wrote
Tim Streater wrote
Jeff Liebermann wrote

Posters with questions often supply as little information as
possible and require interrogation in order to extract the facts.
One-liners and lack of info are symptoms of the same problem,
fear of screwing up. The more one writes, the easier it is for
someone else to find an error, omission, or logic fault.
Rather than be caught making a mistake, it is much
easier to not present a targets.

Or, of course, being inconsistent within a post.
It's late, one is tired, and so on. Much easier to make
a short post than make a longer one be coherent.

Are you sure?

Yep.

"I have made this letter longer than usual, because
I lack the time to make it short" (Blaise Pascal)

Another one liner from someone who is quite literate.

I know how to make things worse. I often post to Usenet when I'm
working in my palatial office. A single long reply might be assembled
in perhaps 5 sections, spread over several hours. I frequently have a
better idea as I go along, and forget to edit the previous great idea
into something that is consistent with the latest great idea. When
I later review the posting, my reaction is usually "Did I write that"?
Sometime long and coherent are mutually exclusive.

Sure, but clearly we do see the other effect he mentioned too.

I tend to write that way I expect others to write. As I previously
mentioned, I really don't care for one-line opinions

They can be useful at times, particularly when you are
saying you agree with someone else's longer post.

and pontifications.

Even pontifications have their place, particularly if you are the Pope.

I want to read logic, reasoning, references, examples,
links to related articles, and personal experiences.

Sure, but that isnt always feasible, particularly
with links to related articles in some situations.

Sometimes its useful to just post a list of possibilitys
with a problem and suggest how to test if that one
is what is happening etc.

That's rather difficult to deliver in a short
posting and impossible in a one-liner.

Yes, but one liners do have their place.
Have a look at some of Churchill's sometime.

Also, I'm quite serious about the fear
of screwing up. It really bugs me.

Sure, but it isnt something that drives everyone in the fear sense.

With all the rants and conspiracy theories
that I write, mistakes are inevitable.

Yes, and you have done that with one liners.

When possible, I admit and correct my mistakes.

You haven't done that with this one.

More often, I just turn off the computer, and go sulk for a few days.
Sometimes, there's nothing I can write that would be worth reading,
so I just disappear. Eventually, I recover and return until repeated
after my next inevitable mistake. I could greatly improve my
batting average by simply replying with a one-liner, where
my ability to screw things up is severely restricted.

Sure, but as you say, they aren't always
useful, particularly with problem solving.

On 03/01/2015 11:43, Huge wrote:
Nothing profound has ever been said by Rod Speed.


I don't know, "Profound from Latin profundus : pr�-, before; see pro-1 +
fundus, bottom." :-)

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Rod