"dave" wrote in message
m...
I'm convinced. You guys have talked me out of ever using Windows again.

Good move, as long as you don't actually want/need any of the far greater
range of software and drivers available for Windows than any other operating
system that is.

Trevor.

"Les Cargill" wrote in message
...
Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I rebuilt
the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in performance. I also
know that this wasn't due to malware.

I also know that once I started using a registry cleaner, that was no
longer necessary.


Exactly what I said, far easier than reinstalling Windows every year.

Trevor.

"dave" wrote in message
m...
If I didn't have an iPod I wouldn't have Windows.

Use an Apple then, that is what ipods are really designed to work with, not
Windows.

Trevor.

"dave" wrote in message
m...
It's an Asus XP netbook I got off the junk pile at Best Buy. Genuine Intel
Atom with 2 cores.

There's your problem then, not Windows!

Trevor.

On 11/24/2013 11:34 PM, Trevor wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
m...
I'm convinced. You guys have talked me out of ever using Windows again.

Good move, as long as you don't actually want/need any of the far greater
range of software and drivers available for Windows than any other operating
system that is.

Trevor.


The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.

Much of what propelled Windows 20 years ago no longer matters.

"dave" wrote in message
m...

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular
OS on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.

In all seriousness... Is there a Linux DTP even remotely comparable to
Ventura? I ask, because I anticipate doing a series of user manuals, and they
will be done in Ventura.

On 11/25/2013 09:08 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
m...

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular
OS on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.

In all seriousness... Is there a Linux DTP even remotely comparable to
Ventura? I ask, because I anticipate doing a series of user manuals, and
they will be done in Ventura.

The latest version (as of July 2013) is Corel Ventura 10 (2002), this
version runs in Windows 8 (x86/64) with compatibility mode (w2k) and
copy "mfc42.dll" in programs corel folder. Also run over linux ubuntu
13.04 / wine, inclusive in live usb mode.

Is running it in "compatibility mode" on modern Win machines any better
than running in a compatibility mode on Ubuntu?

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=Linux+DTP

Les Cargill wrote:
Nil wrote:
On 23 Nov 2013, Les Cargill wrote in
rec.audio.pro:

Then it was done to clean up whatever. All I know is that unless I
rebuilt the machine once a year, it would degrade slowly in
performance.

I've owned and taken care of hundreds of Windows systems. That used
to sometimes happen in the bad old days of Windows 95 and earlier.
Not since Windows XP in my experience. If the system slows down, it's
due to some specific problems. Not from general "dirty registry"
problems.


I may or may not be actually talking about "dirty registry" problems.
I have no data to support or deny that.

I know two things:

1) In order to improve performance of a Windows machine, I would to
an annual rebuild.

2) Using Revo Uninstaller and Eusing Registry Cleaner, that "annual"
at least became a longer period - longer than the machine remained
in active service - call it three years.

Leftover registry entries and disk files don't impact performance to
any significant degree unless there are other issues.


What you say is doubtless true; nonetheless...

What I did "worked". That is all I can really say about it; I don't
have an identified cause, and only a partially perceptible
effect. I don't believe it was a placebo effect. If I had to
characterize the result, it was that general ... latency improved - a
lot - after these operations.

Unless you are constantly installing and uninstalling apps on your system,
your observation about improved performance is more likely to be
coincicental. If you use your computer for general on-line browsing, other
factors such as a large number of temporary files and fragmented drive(s)
will affect the system performance in a fairly short period of time, but
cleaning those up only requires general maintenance.

OTOH, if you are constantly installing and uninstalling apps on your system,
it would be a good idea to learn something about the OS you're working with.
I *can* edit Windows' registry manually or otherwise, but it is very rarely
a necessity, and seldom results in such things as improved latency. The
registry would have to be pretty screwed up to affect that kind of thing,
and there aren't a lot of things that a user can do to screw it up that
badly. ;-)
--
best regards,

Neil

dave wrote

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.


Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.
One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

On 11/25/2013 10:41 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.


Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.
One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.


What about Android, kind sir?.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
dave wrote
The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.


Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.
One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.


The figure for which OS is most common depends how you count them.

Windows is *far* ahead of anything else on the desktop.

Linux gets its numbers up by being run on many, many servers in
backrooms all over the world and in embedded systems. If you have a PVR,
for instance, there's a good chance that it runs using a Linux kernel
with custom software on top. There's an installation in Hollywood or
thereabouts that accounts for many thousands of Linux installations, as
it is used for parallel processing of movie CGI content. The kernels are
Linux, the software was written in house.

You'll know Linux is getting popular on the desktop when they start
advertising anti-virus programs for it,as that will mean it's common
enough for the black hats to be interested.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2013 13:55:17 -0800, dave
wrote:

On 11/25/2013 10:41 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.


Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.
One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.


What about Android, kind sir?.

Android is just an overlay on top of Linux.

d

John Williamson wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
? dave wrote
?? The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
?? on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
?? application for it.
?
?
? Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
? server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.
? One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
? artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
? their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.
?
?
The figure for which OS is most common depends how you count them.

Windows is *far* ahead of anything else on the desktop.

Linux gets its numbers up by being run on many, many servers in
backrooms all over the world and in embedded systems. If you have a PVR,
for instance, there's a good chance that it runs using a Linux kernel
with custom software on top. There's an installation in Hollywood or
thereabouts that accounts for many thousands of Linux installations, as
it is used for parallel processing of movie CGI content. The kernels are
Linux, the software was written in house.

You'll know Linux is getting popular on the desktop when they start
advertising anti-virus programs for it,as that will mean it's common
enough for the black hats to be interested.


There are still plenty of servers running various versions of
Windows. If there weren't, there would be no new versions released top
the market. Now tell what the ratio of servers to users is. It's not
enough to tip the balance.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

dave wrote:

On 11/25/2013 10:41 AM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
?
? dave wrote
??
?? The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
?? on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
?? application for it.
?
?
? Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
? server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.
? One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
? artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
? their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.
?
?
What about Android, kind sir?.


Are you really that stupid? Should we start calling you 'Always
Wrong V2.0'? The statistics for ALL VERSIONS were barely over 10%. I
know you're a union drone, and had the mandatory IBEW lobotomy, but
learn to read and think. YOu aren't clever, and you can't even troll
past the kindergarten level.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

dave wrote:

I'm convinced. You guys have talked me out of ever using Windows again.

I Stopped using Windows 10 years ago. it's the best move i have ever made.
for both a freedom standpoint, as well as a security standpoint.

Trevor wrote:

Good move, as long as you don't actually want/need any of the far greater
range of software and drivers available for Windows than any other
operating system that is.

Trevor.

Actually, there is more driver support in GNU/Linux then there ever was in
Windows, especially, with older hardware, Printers, Scanners, Motherboard
Chipsets.

as far as software is concerned, i find a great deal more usable, Safe,
Spyware-free software in my Distributions Repository.

William Sommerwerck wrote:


In all seriousness... Is there a Linux DTP even remotely comparable to
Ventura? I ask, because I anticipate doing a series of user manuals, and
they will be done in Ventura.


Scribus
http://www.scribus.net/canvas/Scribus

thay have a Windows port of it so you can try it out & maybe take the time
to learn to use it.

the good things is that it is Free Software (F.O.S.S), it is current & is
under constant development. & it is well regarded & widely used in collage
campuses.

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.
One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.


Well, that depends on what websites are giving stats like that. there are
websites that exist that most of their traffic is from Linux users. there
are also sites that cater to B.S.D. users.

you cannot base Linux usage just from the logs of one or two websites.

John Williamson wrote:

You'll know Linux is getting popular on the desktop when they start
advertising anti-virus programs for it,as that will mean it's common
enough for the black hats to be interested.

Wrong, GNU?Linux is NOT Windows. Neither in design or philosophy. GNU/Linux
was built from the ground up using proper coding practices & constant
development with many eyes examining the code.

there is Antivirus applications for Linux, but it's sole purpose is to
protect Windows PC's on the same network, or on Linux Mail servers to scan
for Windows malware.

On 11/25/2013 01:59 PM, John Williamson wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
dave wrote


You'll know Linux is getting popular on the desktop when they start
advertising anti-virus programs for it,as that will mean it's common
enough for the black hats to be interested.


Desktop?

On 11/25/2013 04:18 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

What about Android, kind sir?.


Are you really that stupid? Should we start calling you 'Always
Wrong V2.0'? The statistics for ALL VERSIONS were barely over 10%. I
know you're a union drone, and had the mandatory IBEW lobotomy, but
learn to read and think. YOu aren't clever, and you can't even troll
past the kindergarten level.

I am very stupid. I have autism and never finished high school. There.
Do you feel better now, Mr. Friendly?

On 11/25/2013 09:14 AM, dave wrote:
On 11/25/2013 09:08 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message


The latest version (as of July 2013) is Corel Ventura 10 (2002), this
version runs in Windows 8 (x86/64) with compatibility mode (w2k) and
copy "mfc42.dll" in programs corel folder. Also run over linux ubuntu
13.04 / wine, inclusive in live usb mode.

Is running [Ventura] in "compatibility mode" on modern Win machines any better
than running in a compatibility mode on Ubuntu?

"dave" wrote in message
news
The latest version (as of July 2013) is Corel Ventura 10 (2002), this
version runs in Windows 8 (x86/64) with compatibility mode (w2k) and
copy "mfc42.dll" in programs corel folder. Also run over linux ubuntu
13.04 / wine, inclusive in live usb mode.

Is running [Ventura] in "compatibility mode" on modern Win machines
any better than running in a compatibility mode on Ubuntu?

Yes, because it's running natively under Windows.

On 26/11/2013 13:47, dave wrote:
On 11/25/2013 01:59 PM, John Williamson wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
dave wrote


You'll know Linux is getting popular on the desktop when they start
advertising anti-virus programs for it,as that will mean it's common
enough for the black hats to be interested.


Desktop?

The bit on the desk (Keyboard, monitor, mouse) that most computer users
interact with. Although that's changing with the increase in tablet and
smartphone usage.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 11/26/2013 06:14 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
news
The latest version (as of July 2013) is Corel Ventura 10 (2002), this
version runs in Windows 8 (x86/64) with compatibility mode (w2k) and
copy "mfc42.dll" in programs corel folder. Also run over linux ubuntu
13.04 / wine, inclusive in live usb mode.

Is running [Ventura] in "compatibility mode" on modern Win machines
any better than running in a compatibility mode on Ubuntu?

Yes, because it's running natively under Windows.



If it is running "natively" why does it need a compatibility mode?

On 11/26/2013 06:25 AM, John Williamson wrote:
On 26/11/2013 13:47, dave wrote:
On 11/25/2013 01:59 PM, John Williamson wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
dave wrote


You'll know Linux is getting popular on the desktop when they start
advertising anti-virus programs for it,as that will mean it's common
enough for the black hats to be interested.


Desktop?

The bit on the desk (Keyboard, monitor, mouse) that most computer users
interact with. Although that's changing with the increase in tablet and
smartphone usage.


I have always kept the box on the floor (earthquake country). It is my
limited observation that the desktop has virtually disappeared in favor
of dumb terminals and powerful servers, in situations where a
traditional architecture is required. I have 3 cases which I use for
computer building. I have a 7300 Dual Core running Puppy Linux 5.7.1
that I use for digital ham radio. It also has a dual boot Mint 15 Xfce,
and a live CD of Andy's Ham Radio Ububtu Remix. It has a way better than
80 smps because it never turns off.

My regular surf machine is my friend's obsolete (for gaming) Asus P5 MB,
fast video, blah blah. That's this one on which I type. I loved
computers until the late 1990s, when they started making us pay for
everything. It was quite the wilderness for a few years, then came Puppy
Linux! I once again enjoy "playing" with computers. No hour long calls
to MSFT demanding they transfer my ancient Authorization to a new
motherboard because the old one "broke". No begging insiders for
employee discounts. Etc.

Fun is the main reason I like Linux,

William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
om...

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular
OS on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.

In all seriousness... Is there a Linux DTP even remotely comparable to
Ventura? I ask, because I anticipate doing a series of user manuals, and they
will be done in Ventura.

Is Ventura Publisher still actually made? I haven't heard of that in years.

I think these days the big kings are Quark (which seems to be on the way
out) and the Adobe Creative Suite. A lot of folks still seem to want Quark
files.

That said, pretty much all my experience with this stuff is with CD booklets
and LP covers, which may not be typical of the rest of the industry.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
dave wrote

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.

This _is_ pretty much true. Now, admittedly Linux isn't just one OS, it's
a whole family of different distributions, so calling it the most popular OS
on the planet is kind of stretching things.

Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.

This was true a few years ago, in that the majority of people surfing websites
from end-user desktops were using Windows systems. End-user desktops are not
the only computers out there, though. And these days, if you look at your
server logs, you'll find the majority of people surfing websites are doing
it from tablets and cellphones and other mobile devices.

One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.

Could well be. Could also be there were a lot of people on Macs who had
set their user agent in the browser to identify themselves as using IE on
a Windows machine because that's the only way they could get a lot of
websites to work. A few years ago that was a common activity, but thankfully
the need for that has disappeared.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
news
The latest version (as of July 2013) is Corel Ventura 10 (2002), this
version runs in Windows 8 (x86/64) with compatibility mode (w2k) and
copy "mfc42.dll" in programs corel folder. Also run over linux ubuntu
13.04 / wine, inclusive in live usb mode.

Is running [Ventura] in "compatibility mode" on modern Win machines
any better than running in a compatibility mode on Ubuntu?

Yes, because it's running natively under Windows.

It's not really running natively, it only looks that way until something
goes wrong.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"dave" wrote in message
m...
On 11/26/2013 06:14 AM, William Sommerwerck wrote:

Is running [Ventura] in "compatibility mode" on modern Win machines
any better than running in a compatibility mode on Ubuntu?

Yes, because it's running natively under Windows.

If it is running "natively" why does it need a compatibility mode?

I guess it depends on how you define "natively". It's still running under the
installed version of Windows, with appropriate adjustments.

Scott Dorsey wrote:
William Sommerwerck wrote:
"dave" wrote in message
m...

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most
popular OS on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task
there is an application for it.

In all seriousness... Is there a Linux DTP even remotely comparable
to Ventura? I ask, because I anticipate doing a series of user
manuals, and they will be done in Ventura.

Is Ventura Publisher still actually made? I haven't heard of that in
years.

It's still available, and there is a good group of die-hard users, like
William and Me. Corel refuses to update it and also refuses to give it up,
but there are a few of us that provide help to each other to maintain its
on-going viability.

I think these days the big kings are Quark (which seems to be on the
way out) and the Adobe Creative Suite. A lot of folks still seem to
want Quark files.

Those programs are not for technical writing or publishing. Even Adobe keeps
FrameMaker alive and well because it is the only surviving alternative to
Ventura for that purpose. For my active clients, I only use FrameMaker
because it has kept abreast of the rather significant changes to the
publishing industry since the last update of Ventura.
--
best regards,

Neil

dave wrote:

On 11/25/2013 04:18 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

What about Android, kind sir?.


Are you really that stupid? Should we start calling you 'Always
Wrong V2.0'? The statistics for ALL VERSIONS were barely over 10%. I
know you're a union drone, and had the mandatory IBEW lobotomy, but
learn to read and think. YOu aren't clever, and you can't even troll
past the kindergarten level.

I am very stupid. I have autism and never finished high school. There.
Do you feel better now, Mr. Friendly?


Yawn. Do you feel better now for making fun of the disabled?


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

Scott Dorsey wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
dave wrote

The fastest computers on the planet run Linux. It is the most popular OS
on the planet (or soon will be). If there is a task there is an
application for it.

This _is_ pretty much true. Now, admittedly Linux isn't just one OS, it's
a whole family of different distributions, so calling it the most popular OS
on the planet is kind of stretching things.

Such outrageous claims. If you managed websites and looked at the
server logs you would see that Windows is well ahead of anything else.

This was true a few years ago, in that the majority of people surfing websites
from end-user desktops were using Windows systems. End-user desktops are not
the only computers out there, though. And these days, if you look at your
server logs, you'll find the majority of people surfing websites are doing
it from tablets and cellphones and other mobile devices.

One company told me their customers all used Macs since they were
artists. They were shocked to find they accounted for under 10% of
their page visits, and All versions of Linux were barely over 10%.

Could well be. Could also be there were a lot of people on Macs who had
set their user agent in the browser to identify themselves as using IE on
a Windows machine because that's the only way they could get a lot of
websites to work. A few years ago that was a common activity, but thankfully
the need for that has disappeared.


The logs showed the operating system separate from the browser in
use. Some were even using Sun workstations with Solaris.


--
Anyone wanting to run for any political office in the US should have to
have a DD214, and a honorable discharge.

On 11/26/2013 01:37 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

On 11/25/2013 04:18 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

dave wrote:

What about Android, kind sir?.


Are you really that stupid? Should we start calling you 'Always
Wrong V2.0'? The statistics for ALL VERSIONS were barely over 10%. I
know you're a union drone, and had the mandatory IBEW lobotomy, but
learn to read and think. YOu aren't clever, and you can't even troll
past the kindergarten level.

I am very stupid. I have autism and never finished high school. There.
Do you feel better now, Mr. Friendly?


Yawn. Do you feel better now for making fun of the disabled?


Are you always like this?

"dave" wrote in message
m...
The fastest computers on the planet run Linux.

Variations of Unix perhaps, not necessarily Linux however.

It is the most popular OS on the planet

Very doubtful. Of course you would need to define "popular" to have any
meaning at all.
IME Apple OS is the most "popular" (largest number of fanbois) but
definitely not the most widely used. Do you count it as "Linux" though?
(it's not by any normal definition)

(or soon will be).

More unsupported speculation.

If there is a task there is an application for it.

Agreed, unfortunately they are often rather poor for consumer applications,
and drivers for a lot of hardware in current use by consumers is often
lacking also.
For server use Linux is king, for consumer applications, definitely not.
I've been hoping for a decade or two that will change, still waiting
unfortunately.
No one is stopping you using whatever you like though, but your fear of
Windows is not shared by everyone.

Trevor.

On 11/26/2013 05:58 PM, Trevor wrote:
"dave" wrote in message


If there is a task there is an application for it.

Agreed, unfortunately they are often rather poor for consumer applications,
and drivers for a lot of hardware in current use by consumers is often
lacking also.
For server use Linux is king, for consumer applications, definitely not.
I've been hoping for a decade or two that will change, still waiting
unfortunately.
No one is stopping you using whatever you like though, but your fear of
Windows is not shared by everyone.


I don't fear Windows, I refuse to pay for an operating system, without
which a computer is not really a computer. Microsoft has all the charm
of an East German policeman in 1979. I have an XP netbook. I am going to
get a refurb Win7 box when XP support goes away in March. Just to
program my iPod, if nothing else. It would be way too sluggish for my
social routine, however.

The Kernel has thousands of drivers already installed. Please name a
consumer device (other than Apple) that you would like to use with Linux
that had a driver issue. I have found Linux to be way more plug-and-play
than Windows, and this has been getting moreso in the past few years.
Usually you need to boot a CD to install something to Windows; virtually
unheard of in Linux.

On 27/11/2013 13:50, dave wrote:
The Kernel has thousands of drivers already installed. Please name a
consumer device (other than Apple) that you would like to use with Linux
that had a driver issue. I have found Linux to be way more plug-and-play
than Windows, and this has been getting moreso in the past few years.
Usually you need to boot a CD to install something to Windows; virtually
unheard of in Linux.

Normally, I download drivers for Windows from the web. A bit like
"sudo apt-get install $drivername" but without having to remember the
syntax or recompilimg the kernel to get the driver to work as a module.
The Windows driver doesn't have to be in the repository, either, I can
just download it from the maufacturer's website.

It's been a *long* time since I had to boot up a CD or floppy to install
anything under Windows. I often have to load a setup file from a CD or
DVD to install software and a few drivers for hardware that didn't exist
when the OS was written. This facility does not, by and large, exist for
Linux

As for Linux being more plug and play than Windows, that's not been true
since XP was released, as most hardware now complies with the Windows
Driver Model, which, I believe, may have been hacked for use in Linux as
well. I do know that a fair amount of hardware that I need to use which
works fully under Winodws is either totally or partially unusable under
Linux, which is why I keep trying Linux and uninstalling it fairly quickly.

Hardware with driver problems under Linux on my desk:-
A smartcard reader.

A camera with an unsupported RAW file format.

A Nokia Smartphone.

An HTC ditto.

The Zoom mixer/ recorder that I use for sound recording, although it
does show up as an extra drive. Under Windows, with the right DAW
software, it acts as a control surface.

A handy little DJ mixing console for mixing MP3 and WAV files together.

A Huawei 3G dongle, which can, I believe, be made to work by using the
correct spell, installing a third party driver and sacrificing a goat or
similar creature to the God of the airwaves. I've not succeeded yet,
although it "just works" under Windows.

None of the above are made by Apple. I've just tried and rapidly
uninstalled Ubuntu 13, as it made this computer do a very good
inpression of a sloth on valium. It's been a *long* time since I had a
network connection time out waiting for a mouse click to be processed,
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Tciao for Now!

John.

"Neil Gould" writes:

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Those programs are not for technical writing or publishing. Even Adobe keeps
FrameMaker alive and well because it is the only surviving alternative to
Ventura for that purpose. For my active clients, I only use FrameMaker
because it has kept abreast of the rather significant changes to the
publishing industry since the last update of Ventura.

Hi Neil -

Wow! Someone who has heard of FM!! I've been using it in my other day jobs of
technical writer and plug-in writer since FM 2.1 in late 80s/early 90s. I was on
Frame Technology's Customer Advisory Board (pre-Adobe) when it was active in the
early 1990s. (Cisco Systems actually gave me their board seat -- that's another long
story best told some other time.)

Adobe moved FM development to India a few years back. They've been doing a pretty
good job, though there have been some missteps. Generally, though, things are
better, with regular releases coming along for the foreseeable future. And, the new
guys have been reasonably responsive with fixes.

Frank
Mobile Audio
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"Frank Stearns" wrote in message
acquisition...

Wow! Someone who has heard of FM!!

FrameMaker (not to be confused with PageMaker) was originally created for some
OS other than Windows. I used it for a while about 15 years ago, in its first
Windows incarnation. It had the most-poorly designed dialog boxes for any
piece of software I have ever used.

I hope it's gotten better.

Frank Stearns wrote:
"Neil Gould" writes:

snips

Those programs are not for technical writing or publishing. Even
Adobe keeps FrameMaker alive and well because it is the only
surviving alternative to Ventura for that purpose. For my active
clients, I only use FrameMaker because it has kept abreast of the
rather significant changes to the publishing industry since the last
update of Ventura.

Hi Neil -

Wow! Someone who has heard of FM!! I've been using it in my other day
jobs of technical writer and plug-in writer since FM 2.1 in late
80s/early 90s. I was on Frame Technology's Customer Advisory Board
(pre-Adobe) when it was active in the early 1990s. (Cisco Systems
actually gave me their board seat -- that's another long story best
told some other time.)

Adobe moved FM development to India a few years back. They've been
doing a pretty good job, though there have been some missteps.
Generally, though, things are better, with regular releases coming
along for the foreseeable future. And, the new guys have been
reasonably responsive with fixes.

I just met with a client this morning whose tech documents are done in FM!

IIRC, my first copy of FM was 3, prior to Adobe's acquisition of Frame, Inc.
At that point, it was no match for VP technically, but its cross-platform
abilities were a big plus. Then, Corel acquired VP and managed to screw it
up for a few years, during which time Adobe improved FM's ability to handle
type and color properly, among other things. Today, FM is the most viable
app for technical documents, IMO, largely because Corel dropped the ball.
Although some folks complain about FM's UI (it isn't anywhere near as
flexible as VP's), it has not been a problem for me, and I appreciate that
fact that it has remained "familiar" for decades. That's rather atypical for
Adobe apps, which shuffle their UI with regularity.
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best regards,

Neil