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Old style filament lamps?
(Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.)
Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
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"Terry Pinnell" Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. ** AFAIK- even if you came across a stock it is illegal now for anyone to sell them to you. Have a look for the high efficiency halogen bulbs that are made in the same style as regular BC and ES 40 watt and 60 watt bulbs. Rated at 2000 hours and bit whiter light but rather more expensive. Legally on sale all over Australia, but not sure about the UK. ...... Phil |
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"Terry Pinnell" wrote in message ... (Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.) Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK You, and many others, including this +1, I'm afraid, Terry ... :-( I just looked on my favourite lamp buying site in the UK, and they don't appear to do any standard lightbulbs except ecobollox types at all now. Even the halogen ones that Phil mentions, now don't seem to be available. I have one of those in my hallway, and it is superb. They are basically a halogen capsule bulb, inside a 'standard' lightbulb. The one I have is a pearl type, so nice even light, but I seem to recall someone saying that even those had been made available only in a clear glass outer shell, and now it looks like that has gone as well. It really ****es me off actually, that yet another mature technology that gave good even and diffuse light - the whole reason that that pearlisation of the envelope was introduced in the first place - has now been forcibly replaced with an ecobollox product that doesn't hold a candle (pun intended) to what it's replacing. I wouldn't mind if the end justified the means. I read the other day that it has been calculated that in the UK, if every single conventional lightbulb was changed for an ecobollox type, all it would save is the output from one small power station. Arfa |
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Terry Pinnell wrote:
(Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.) Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. http://www.wrightshardware.co.uk/Eaccess.htm -- ~ Adrian Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk |
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"Adrian Tuddenham" http://www.wrightshardware.co.uk/Eaccess.htm ** Have you rung the phone number? Does ma or pa Wright answer ?? Looks like a ghost web site to me. ..... Phil |
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I just looked on my favourite lamp buying site in the UK, and they don't
appear to do any standard lightbulbs except ecobollox types at all now. Even the halogen ones that Phil mentions, now don't seem to be available. I have one of those in my hallway, and it is superb. They are basically a halogen capsule bulb, inside a 'standard' lightbulb. The one I have is a pearl type, so nice even light, but I seem to recall someone saying that even those had been made available only in a clear glass outer shell, and now it looks like that has gone as well. It really ****es me off actually, that yet another mature technology that gave good even and diffuse light - the whole reason that that pearlisation of the envelope was introduced in the first place - has now been forcibly replaced with an ecobollox product that doesn't hold a candle (pun intended) to what it's replacing. I wouldn't mind if the end justified the means. I read the other day that it has been calculated that in the UK, if every single conventional lightbulb was changed for an ecobollox type, all it would save is the output from one small power station. We're been through this before. British CFLs must be of very poor quality, because you can get excellent ones in the US. They come instantly -- faster than incandescent -- and have good color balance. I've replaced all but the miniature "decorative" lamps in my condo with CFLs. I would never go back to incandescent. I'm writing this in my den. The light is from a 100W-equivalent Home Depot CFL in an IKEA shade. The /only/ way you can tell it's not incandescent is by looking under the shade. The bathroom has a 6-bulb "bar". The middle bulbs have been loosened so they won't light, and the end bulbs replaced with CFLs. Yeah, it looks a bit funny. Big deal. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote: British CFLs must be of very poor quality, because you can get excellent ones in the US. They come instantly -- faster than incandescent -- and have good color balance. You buy CFLs that come on faster than an incandescent? Would like to see a pic of the packaging so I know what to look for at HD. I'm just a tad skeptical. Do you know the color temp? |
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message
... In article , "William Sommerwerck" wrote: British CFLs must be of very poor quality, because you can get excellent ones in the US. They come instantly -- faster than incandescent -- and have good color balance. You buy CFLs that come on faster than an incandescent? Would like to see a pic of the packaging so I know what to look for at HD. I'm just a tad skeptical. Do you know the color temp? I've been using Home Depot's store brand -- EcoSmart -- for several years. Consumer Reports recently gave them a very high rating. No color temp or rendering quality is specified. But the balance is on the warm side. It's acceptable (in my opinion) for non-critical color photography. |
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
No color temp or rendering quality is specified. But the balance is on the warm side. It's acceptable (in my opinion) for non-critical color photography. Similar ones are available here in Israel. I assume since we use the same electrical system as the UK, they are available there too. There are also cheap junk, but I avoid them. BTW, I've been using them since the late 1990's and CFLs keep getting cheaper, more efficient and on the whole better. They are not perfect, and we still use incandescent bulbs in some places, but 99% of the light in my home is from either CFLs or the old fashioned long ones. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it. |
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
... BTW, I've been using them since the late 1990's and CFLs keep getting cheaper, more efficient and on the whole better. They are not perfect, and we still use incandescent bulbs in some places, but 99% of the light in my home is from either CFLs or the old- fashioned long ones. It's amazing that, despite their generally poor color rendering, tubular FLs have long been tolerated in kitchens and workspaces. |
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If so, there are halogen bulbs available in the same form factor as the old incandescent filament bulbs. These are classed as lower energy than a standard incandescent and can be purchased from most supermarkets and DIY stores. See the link below: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/...w-clear-bc.jpg They give you full brightness at switch on unlike compact fluorescents that take time to warm-up. |
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On Apr 28, 5:47*am, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: I just looked on my favourite lamp buying site in the UK, and they don't appear to do any standard lightbulbs except ecobollox types at all now. Even the halogen ones that Phil mentions, now don't seem to be available. I have one of those in my hallway, and it is superb. They are basically a halogen capsule bulb, inside a 'standard' lightbulb. The one I have is a pearl type, so nice even light, but I seem to recall someone saying that even those had been made available only in a clear glass outer shell, and now it looks like that has gone as well. It really ****es me off actually, that yet another mature technology that gave good even and diffuse light - the whole reason that that pearlisation of the envelope was introduced in the first place - has now been forcibly replaced with an ecobollox product that doesn't hold a candle (pun intended) to what it's replacing. I wouldn't mind if the end justified the means. I read the other day that it has been calculated that in the UK, if every single conventional lightbulb was changed for an ecobollox type, all it would save is the output from one small power station. We're been through this before. British CFLs must be of very poor quality, because you can get excellent ones in the US. They come instantly -- faster than incandescent -- and have good color balance. None that I can buy. In my double fixtures I have one incandescent and one CFL. Otherwise I have to wait every time I turn on a light. Further, none of the bulbs I can buy are rated to work outdoors. I put one in my porchlight anyway, and it wore out in less time than an incandescent. |
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William Sommerwerck wrote:
It's amazing that, despite their generally poor color rendering, tubular FLs have long been tolerated in kitchens and workspaces. I can't quantify it, but I have a much brighter tubular floursecent lamp over my head because of the color problems. It seems I need a lot more light to read with them than an incadescent one. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson N3OWJ/4X1GM Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to misquote it. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote: "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message ... BTW, I've been using them since the late 1990's and CFLs keep getting cheaper, more efficient and on the whole better. They are not perfect, and we still use incandescent bulbs in some places, but 99% of the light in my home is from either CFLs or the old- fashioned long ones. It's amazing that, despite their generally poor color rendering, tubular FLs have long been tolerated in kitchens and workspaces. Not amazing to me. In commercial and industrial (IOW business) applications, it's all about economy. It's a holdover from the days of candlelit rooms filled with accountants. The "grumble factor" determined how many candles were allowed: just enough to minimize but not totally eliminate employee grumbling. |
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Phil Allison wrote:
"Adrian Tuddenham" http://www.wrightshardware.co.uk/Eaccess.htm ** Have you rung the phone number? Does ma or pa Wright answer ?? Thursday is early closing day in Bath; it's when he goes to the wholesalers to stock up. Try again tomorrow. Looks like a ghost web site to me. Nope - just under delayed construction. I'm the webmaster and I'm waiting for more info. -- ~ Adrian Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk |
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:19:10 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:
"Terry Pinnell" Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. ** AFAIK- even if you came across a stock it is illegal now for anyone to sell them to you. Have a look for the high efficiency halogen bulbs that are made in the same style as regular BC and ES 40 watt and 60 watt bulbs. Rated at 2000 hours and bit whiter light but rather more expensive. Legally on sale all over Australia, but not sure about the UK. Who is going to arrest you for selling incandescent bulbs? The bulb police? -- Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse |
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On Apr 28, 11:59*am, Meat Plow wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:19:10 +1000, Phil Allison wrote: "Terry Pinnell" Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. *** AFAIK- *even if you came across a stock it is illegal now for anyone *to sell them to you. Have a look for the high efficiency halogen bulbs that are made in the same style as regular BC and ES 40 watt and 60 watt bulbs. *Rated at 2000 hours and bit whiter light but rather more expensive. Legally on sale all over Australia, *but not sure about the UK. Who is going to arrest you for selling incandescent bulbs? The bulb police? I remember when Detroiters would cross into Canada to buy 5 gallon flush toilets. Good times. |
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Terry Pinnell wrote:
lid (Adrian Tuddenham) wrote: Terry Pinnell wrote: (Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.) Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. http://www.wrightshardware.co.uk/Eaccess.htm Thanks Adrian. Phoned at 7pm but I see they're closed all day Thursdays anyway. I'll try again on Saturday after the Wedding. Doesn't look like they have any online ordering but presumably they will despatch? Bath's a little too far to justify the trip! He told me he intends to open the shop tomorrow (Friday). I warned him that, if he had a website, people would expect him to do mail order, but I don't know if he is ready for it yet. -- ~ Adrian Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk |
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They give you full brightness at switch on, unlike
compact fluorescents that take time to warm-up. Yes, but... The better CFLs are quite bright at turn-on -- bright enough that you don't feel you bought a defective lamp. |
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says... British CFLs must be of very poor quality, because you can get excellent ones in the US. They come instantly -- faster than incandescent -- and have good color balance. I've replaced all but the miniature "decorative" lamps in my condo with CFLs. I would never go back to incandescent. I'm writing this in my den. The light is from a 100W-equivalent Home Depot CFL in an IKEA shade. The /only/ way you can tell it's not incandescent is by looking under the shade. Although many CFL's list the color temperature (2700K is roughly equivalent to incandescent), they rarely list the CRI (Color Rendering Index). That gives an idea on how well a bulb displays all colors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_rendering_index -- If there is a no_junk in my address, please REMOVE it before replying! All junk mail senders will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law!! http://home.comcast.net/~andyross |
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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in
: William Sommerwerck wrote: It's amazing that, despite their generally poor color rendering, tubular FLs have long been tolerated in kitchens and workspaces. maybe color rendering isn't that important compared to seeing what you're doing.The eye/brain manages to compensate,excpet under low light levels. Besides,tungsten lighting(2700K or 3200K) isn't all that "color accurate" itself. That's why color photo film came in tungsten variety,for better color rendering for that color temp lighting. Even digital cameras have a setting for color temp(my cheapo Polaroid does),not that people use them as they should. I can't quantify it, but I have a much brighter tubular floursecent lamp over my head because of the color problems. It seems I need a lot more light to read with them than an incadescent one. Geoff. you need color rendering accuracy to READ? -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
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On 4/28/2011 8:48 AM spamtrap1888 spake thus:
On Apr 28, 5:47 am, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: We're been through this before. British CFLs must be of very poor quality, because you can get excellent ones in the US. They come instantly -- faster than incandescent -- and have good color balance. None that I can buy. In my double fixtures I have one incandescent and one CFL. Otherwise I have to wait every time I turn on a light. Further, none of the bulbs I can buy are rated to work outdoors. I put one in my porchlight anyway, and it wore out in less time than an incandescent. You're buying the wrong kind of CFLs, then. All of the *newer* ones I have light almost instantly. Some older ones have an annoying long startup time. But all of them last a looooong time. Some of my CFLs are 8-9 years old and still working fine. So where are you, anyhow? -- The current state of literacy in our advanced civilization: yo wassup nuttin wan2 hang k where here k l8tr by - from Usenet (what's *that*?) |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message
4... "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in : William Sommerwerck wrote: It's amazing that, despite their generally poor color rendering, tubular FLs have long been tolerated in kitchens and workspaces. maybe color rendering isn't that important compared to seeing what you're doing.The eye/brain manages to compensate,excpet under low light levels. It _is_ important in photography, where color accuracy is of considerably greater significance than "seeing what you're doing". Besides, tungsten lighting (2700K or 3200K) isn't all that "color accurate" itself. In this context, that's not really correct. Any continuous-spectrum lighting source that's free of holes or peaks in its spectrum inherently has "perfect" rendering. All it needs is a filter (or RGB gain adjustment) to give correct rendering for any color temperature. CFLs generally have discontinuous spectra, and vary widely in rendering accuracy. The photographic CFLs in my Lowell ego lights are rated at 93%, which is fairly good. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I just looked on my favourite lamp buying site in the UK, and they don't appear to do any standard lightbulbs except ecobollox types at all now. Even the halogen ones that Phil mentions, now don't seem to be available. I have one of those in my hallway, and it is superb. They are basically a halogen capsule bulb, inside a 'standard' lightbulb. The one I have is a pearl type, so nice even light, but I seem to recall someone saying that even those had been made available only in a clear glass outer shell, and now it looks like that has gone as well. It really ****es me off actually, that yet another mature technology that gave good even and diffuse light - the whole reason that that pearlisation of the envelope was introduced in the first place - has now been forcibly replaced with an ecobollox product that doesn't hold a candle (pun intended) to what it's replacing. I wouldn't mind if the end justified the means. I read the other day that it has been calculated that in the UK, if every single conventional lightbulb was changed for an ecobollox type, all it would save is the output from one small power station. We're been through this before. British CFLs must be of very poor quality, because you can get excellent ones in the US. They come instantly -- faster than incandescent -- and have good color balance. I've replaced all but the miniature "decorative" lamps in my condo with CFLs. I would never go back to incandescent. I'm writing this in my den. The light is from a 100W-equivalent Home Depot CFL in an IKEA shade. The /only/ way you can tell it's not incandescent is by looking under the shade. The bathroom has a 6-bulb "bar". The middle bulbs have been loosened so they won't light, and the end bulbs replaced with CFLs. Yeah, it looks a bit funny. Big deal. Well. 'looking a bit funny' might be fine in your home, but it's not in mine. Light fixtures are part of the decor, chosen as much for their appearance, as for their lighting function, and I would like to still be able to get the proper bulbs for them that their designers intended to go in them. I don't want candle bulbs that are half as long again as the 'real' thing and stick out of the shades, or convoluted spirals that look ridiculous in open or glass shaded fixtures. I don't want to go to the local store and be presented with 96 different bulb types, all vying with one another to try to tell me what their equivalent power rating is. Even this is shortly to be replaced over here with yet another piece of nonsense to try to cover up the poor light output performance of them in comparison to incandescent types, and that is to start rating them in "Lumens". But they can't even agree on how that is actually measured, so a bulb with a lower lumen figure could actually be subjectively brighter than a 'similar' one with a higher quoted figure. 'Colour balance' is also a fairly meaningless term. No matter how they mix the phosphors up on them to try to improve the CRI, the spectrum never-the-less remains discontinuous in comparison to that of an incandescent bulb. This is true no matter where they are sold or manufactured. U.S. bought ones are no different in this respect to U.K. bought ones. Contrary to what many Americans seem to think, the U.K. is not a technically-backward banana republic. Maybe you can't see anything wrong with them, and they suit your eyes, But they are no good for me on both counts. I, and many others both here and over there, *can* see their deficiencies, and don't like them. As indeed prompted the OP to make his post ... Arfa |
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"Jim Yanik" wrote in message 4... "Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in : William Sommerwerck wrote: It's amazing that, despite their generally poor color rendering, tubular FLs have long been tolerated in kitchens and workspaces. maybe color rendering isn't that important compared to seeing what you're doing.The eye/brain manages to compensate,excpet under low light levels. Besides,tungsten lighting(2700K or 3200K) isn't all that "color accurate" itself. That's why color photo film came in tungsten variety,for better color rendering for that color temp lighting. Even digital cameras have a setting for color temp(my cheapo Polaroid does),not that people use them as they should. I can't quantify it, but I have a much brighter tubular floursecent lamp over my head because of the color problems. It seems I need a lot more light to read with them than an incadescent one. Geoff. you need color rendering accuracy to READ? -- Jim Yanik I don't know about 'colour rendering accuracy', Jim, but I too find it extremely difficult to read under CFLs as opposed to incandescent light sources. I imagine that it is just some characteristic that my eyes have developed as I've gotten older, and my sight overall, has declined compared to when I was young. Perhaps I am in a minority of people that suffer in this way, but trust me, it is very real. Oddly enough though, I have no trouble at all reading or working under linear flourescent light, irrespective of the quoted colour composition (eg warm white, daylight etc) of said tubes. Arfa |
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"Adrian Tuddenham" wrote in message valid.invalid... Terry Pinnell wrote: (Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.) Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. http://www.wrightshardware.co.uk/Eaccess.htm -- ~ Adrian Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk Nice one, Ade. Duly placed in my Favourites folder ... :-) Arfa |
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"M.Joshi" wrote in message ... 'Terry Pinnell[_3_ Wrote: ;2636067'](Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.) Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK Do you mean that your light fittings cannot accomodate the larger compact fluorescent bulbs? If so, there are halogen bulbs available in the same form factor as the old incandescent filament bulbs. These are classed as lower energy than a standard incandescent and can be purchased from most supermarkets and DIY stores. See the link below: http://tinyurl.com/68nocgh They give you full brightness at switch on unlike compact fluorescents that take time to warm-up. -- M.Joshi The originals of these were very good - when they used a pearlised outer envelope. But note the picture in your link shows a clear enveloped capsule bulb in a clear outer envelope. Unfortunately, this leads to them producing a 'harsh' light with sharp shadows. Which is precisely why pearlisation of the envelope of incandescent bulbs, was introduced in the first place. I have wall lights in my lounge, which use R50 reflectors. They shine up onto the ceiling, and used to produce a nice diffuse light from the pearl-fronted bulb envelope. But now, they are only available with a clear-fronted envelope, and the consequence of this is that the blue glass shade which used to glow nice and evenly, now has light and dark stripes in it, and the light that falls on the ceiling, is an image of the filament. I also have a four lamp fixture here in the computer room, which uses the same bulb type. The room used to be nice and bright all over. Now, with clear fronted bulbs fitted, it doesn't matter where you point each individual spot-lamp, the room is a sea of shadows and pools of light. Gawd, how I hate all this eco-bollox nonsense ... :-( Arfa |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... They give you full brightness at switch on, unlike compact fluorescents that take time to warm-up. Yes, but... The better CFLs are quite bright at turn-on -- bright enough that you don't feel you bought a defective lamp. The operative word being "quite". I thought you said that your Home Despot types came on quicker than an incandescent. Certainly doesn't sound that way from that description ... And as far as I'm concerned, any incandescent replacement technology lamp that does not produce the *full* light output within a few mS of switch on, or is ambient temperature dependant for its performance, *is* a defective lamp. Arfa |
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'Colour balance' is also a fairly meaningless
term. No matter how they mix the phosphors up on them to try to improve the CRI, the spectrum never-the-less remains discontinuous in comparison to that of an incandescent bulb. This is true no matter where they are sold or manufactured. True. But the subjective balance is excellent. The Home Depot bulbs are good enough for color photography. Maybe you can't see anything wrong with them, and they suit your eyes, But they are no good for me on both counts. I, and many others both here and over there, *can* see their deficiencies, and don't like them. As indeed prompted the OP to make his post ... I've been involved in photography for over 40 years. If the better CFLs weren't "good", I wouldn't use them. |
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They give you full brightness at switch on, unlike
compact fluorescents that take time to warm-up. Yes, but... The better CFLs are quite bright at turn-on -- bright enough that you don't feel you bought a defective lamp. The operative word being "quite". I thought you said that your Home Despot types came on quicker than an incandescent. Certainly doesn't sound that way from that description ... And as far as I'm concerned, any incandescent replacement technology lamp that does not produce the *full* light output within a few mS of switch on, or is ambient temperature dependant for its performance, *is* a defective lamp. The Home Depot lamps come on instantly at a level I'd judge to be around 60% -- maybe higher -- of full brightness. Full brightness takes another 30 seconds or so. This is a huge improvement over the bulbs from 15 years ago. |
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On Apr 28, 9:05*pm, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: They give you full brightness at switch on, unlike compact fluorescents that take time to warm-up. Yes, but... The better CFLs are quite bright at turn-on -- bright enough that you don't feel you bought a defective lamp. The operative word being "quite". I thought you said that your Home Despot types came on quicker than an incandescent. Certainly doesn't sound that way from that description ... And as far as I'm concerned, any incandescent replacement technology lamp that does not produce the *full* light output within a few mS of switch on, or is ambient temperature dependant for its performance, *is* a defective lamp. The Home Depot lamps come on instantly at a level I'd judge to be around 60% -- maybe higher -- of full brightness. Full brightness takes another 30 seconds or so. This is a huge improvement over the bulbs from 15 years ago. On one of our stairways, the ceiling light is two identical CFL's. They come on instantly, at about 80% of full brightness, enought to see where the top and bottome steps are, so it is not a safety hazard. I woudl guess that they reach full brightness in 10 sec or so, just about the time I have traversed the staircase. I have them all over the house except in dimmable fixtures. I haven't been able to stomach the cost of the dimmable lights, and we can still buy the full range of incandescent lamps here in the USA. |
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"Meat Plow" ** AFAIK- even if you came across a stock it is illegal now for anyone to sell them to you. Who is going to arrest you for selling incandescent bulbs? The bulb police? ** Here, all that has to happen is someone report the shop keeper to the relevant Energy Authority. They would end up being fined for breaching the regulation called " MEPS" = minimum energy performance standard in relation to selling non compliant lamps. ..... Phil |
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The Home Depot lamps come on instantly at a level I'd judge to be around
60% -- maybe higher -- of full brightness. Full brightness takes another 30 seconds or so. This is a huge improvement over the bulbs from 15 years ago. On one of our stairways, the ceiling light is two identical CFL's. They come on instantly, at about 80% of full brightness, enought to see where the top and bottom steps are, so it is not a safety hazard. I would guess that they reach full brightness in 10 sec or so, just about the time I have traversed the staircase. I have them all over the house except in dimmable fixtures. I haven't been able to stomach the cost of the dimmable lights, and we can still buy the full range of incandescent lamps here in the USA. The Home Depot lights are X10-dimmable, though marked as not dimmable. You need to use a wall-switch lamp controller. These do not interrogate the lamp to see if the switch has been turned on or off, so you don't get flickering when the lamp is off. |
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On Apr 28, 9:53*am, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: "Smitty Two" wrote in message ... In article , *"William Sommerwerck" wrote: British CFLs must be of very poor quality, because you can get excellent ones in the US. They come instantly -- faster than incandescent -- and have good color balance. You buy CFLs that come on faster than an incandescent? Would like to see a pic of the packaging so I know what to look for at HD. I'm just a tad skeptical. Do you know the color temp? I've been using Home Depot's store brand -- EcoSmart -- for several years.. Consumer Reports recently gave them a very high rating. No color temp or rendering quality is specified. But the balance is on the warm side. It's acceptable (in my opinion) for non-critical color photography. Probably warm / soft white; any other fluorescent is horror movie lighting. If you don't have the color temp spec, hold a lit, known temperature bulb next to it and see if it looks redder, bluer, or the same. |
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On Apr 28, 7:05*pm, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: They give you full brightness at switch on, unlike compact fluorescents that take time to warm-up. Yes, but... The better CFLs are quite bright at turn-on -- bright enough that you don't feel you bought a defective lamp. The operative word being "quite". I thought you said that your Home Despot types came on quicker than an incandescent. Certainly doesn't sound that way from that description ... And as far as I'm concerned, any incandescent replacement technology lamp that does not produce the *full* light output within a few mS of switch on, or is ambient temperature dependant for its performance, *is* a defective lamp. The Home Depot lamps come on instantly at a level I'd judge to be around 60% -- maybe higher -- of full brightness. Full brightness takes another 30 seconds or so. This is a huge improvement over the bulbs from 15 years ago. Nothing I've seen on the market today equals the Panasonic CFLs of years ago, either in time to full output or longevity. |
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"Arfa Daily" wrote:
Maybe you can't see anything wrong with them, and they suit your eyes, But they are no good for me on both counts. I, and many others both here and over there, *can* see their deficiencies, and don't like them. As indeed prompted the OP to make his post ... Arfa: Agreed. My feelings exactly. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
Old style filament lamps?
M.Joshi wrote:
'Terry Pinnell[_3_ Wrote: ;2636067'](Re-posted from the lower traffic sci.electronics.misc group.) Does anyone know where I can buy 'normal' filament lamp bulbs in the UK please? I just cannot get on with the new economy type. My remaining stock of 60W and 100W is dwindling rapidly. -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK Do you mean that your light fittings cannot accomodate the larger compact fluorescent bulbs? No, my gripes are more basic: I like instant light when I flick a switch and I like bright light to work and read by. I also resent what seems to be downright misleading statements by the manufacturers about 'equivalent' ratings. I've never found one that warrants the claim. If so, there are halogen bulbs available in the same form factor as the old incandescent filament bulbs. These are classed as lower energy than a standard incandescent and can be purchased from most supermarkets and DIY stores. See the link below: http://tinyurl.com/68nocgh They give you full brightness at switch on unlike compact fluorescents that take time to warm-up. Thanks, I'll investigate and try a few, although from what I've read up-thread it sounds as if I'll still favour the old filament types. That link gave me a nice picture but can anyone recommend a specific 60W and 100W UK supplier please? -- Terry, East Grinstead, UK |
Old style filament lamps?
"Terry Pinnell" "Arfa Daily" Maybe you can't see anything wrong with them, and they suit your eyes, But they are no good for me on both counts. I, and many others both here and over there, *can* see their deficiencies, and don't like them. As indeed prompted the OP to make his post ... Arfa: Agreed. My feelings exactly. ** Arfa has admitted to being colour blind. So you are too - it seems. Have trouble with 1% resistor codes do we??? 12% of all males are colour blind - ie they fail one of the basic tests. Only 1 or 2% of females are so afflicted - but THEY are the CARRIERS ! ..... Phil |
Old style filament lamps?
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote: The Home Depot lamps come on instantly at a level I'd judge to be around 60% -- maybe higher -- of full brightness. Full brightness takes another 30 seconds or so. That is some serious backpedaling from your earlier assertions. Thanks for telling the truth this time around. |
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