Why is this stuff a secret???

Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such as
relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)

All the usual things provided by everybody else in the electrical world!

But this information is not anywhere on the internet and the only thing on
the product packaging is a part number! No ratings are on the devices
either! Just a part number...

Or is there an automotive parts manufacturer who provides this basic
information on their web site?

Example of a relay data sheet from the non-automotive world...
http://www.magnecraft.com/library/section8/105A_49.pdf

"Bill"

Why is this stuff a secret???

** Cos folk like you simply do not need to now.


Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such
as relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)

** Probably no-where.

Car makers put out tenders for such parts and suppliers produce devices that
do the job for the lowest possible cost.


All the usual things provided by everybody else in the electrical world!


** Car parts and spares for cars are a whole world unto themselves.


But this information is not anywhere on the internet and the only thing on
the product packaging is a part number! No ratings are on the devices
either! Just a part number...

** See above.


Or is there an automotive parts manufacturer who provides this basic
information on their web site?

** What for?


Example of a relay data sheet from the non-automotive world...
http://www.magnecraft.com/library/section8/105A_49.pdf


** Relays supplied to car makers need only work at 12 volts DC.

No other voltages or AC ratings exist for them.

Bloody obvious, really.



..... Phil

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Bill wrote:
Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such
as relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)

Relays are easy - the common ones tend to be 30 amp.

Here's the pinouts:-

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.e...ays/relays.php

As regards switches there are so many in use it would be difficult to give
ratings for each and every one - especially since so many no longer switch
things directly, but just operate an electronic switch.

But if you know what the original app was and it was switching direct
would be easy to make an educated guess.

The same firm does a range of modular rockers and they're 15 amp.

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.e...es/modular.php

--
*Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Bill wrote in message
...
Why is this stuff a secret???

Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such
as
relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)

All the usual things provided by everybody else in the electrical world!

But this information is not anywhere on the internet and the only thing on
the product packaging is a part number! No ratings are on the devices
either! Just a part number...

Or is there an automotive parts manufacturer who provides this basic
information on their web site?

Example of a relay data sheet from the non-automotive world...
http://www.magnecraft.com/library/section8/105A_49.pdf




Putting my conspiracy hat on.
In Europe , defense /medical /aero-space manufacturers , have a derogation
allowing the continued use of leaded solder/components, but AFAIK not
automotive industry.
They all know that to allow lead-free with heat and vibration of a car then
they will hardly get out of the factory before solder joints start to fail -
so they keep quiet about continuing to use leaded "tinning" of components
and leaded solder?


--
Diverse Devices, Southampton, England
electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/

hi, are you talking about original factory car relays and switches ??? or
after market , cause the after market ones have it labelled on them.


"Bill" wrote in message
...
Why is this stuff a secret???

Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such
as relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)

All the usual things provided by everybody else in the electrical world!

But this information is not anywhere on the internet and the only thing on
the product packaging is a part number! No ratings are on the devices
either! Just a part number...

Or is there an automotive parts manufacturer who provides this basic
information on their web site?

Example of a relay data sheet from the non-automotive world...
http://www.magnecraft.com/library/section8/105A_49.pdf

** hey phil you fukin newbie
** go back to fixing up toasters
** what for ?? does the guy have to tell you everything ? your one fukin
nosey prick.

** tell me where u live phil and i`l;l kill ya.


"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Bill"

Why is this stuff a secret???

** Cos folk like you simply do not need to now.


Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such
as relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)

** Probably no-where.

Car makers put out tenders for such parts and suppliers produce devices
that do the job for the lowest possible cost.


All the usual things provided by everybody else in the electrical world!


** Car parts and spares for cars are a whole world unto themselves.


But this information is not anywhere on the internet and the only thing
on the product packaging is a part number! No ratings are on the devices
either! Just a part number...

** See above.


Or is there an automotive parts manufacturer who provides this basic
information on their web site?

** What for?


Example of a relay data sheet from the non-automotive world...
http://www.magnecraft.com/library/section8/105A_49.pdf


** Relays supplied to car makers need only work at 12 volts DC.

No other voltages or AC ratings exist for them.

Bloody obvious, really.



.... Phil

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:39:10 -0700, "Bill"
wrote:

Why is this stuff a secret???

Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such as
relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)


Ford, GM, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Holden, Nissan,
Subaru, VW, MB, or what?

Each is different. Different maker, different specifications.

try
http://www.bosch.se/content/language...5_2006_eng.pdf

"E" wrote in message
try
http://www.bosch.se/content/language...5_2006_eng.pdf

I'm buying Bosch parts from now on!

Thanks...

On Jul 24, 10:35*am, "Bill" wrote:
"E" wrote in message
try
http://www.bosch.se/content/language...Catalog_2005_2...

I'm buying Bosch parts from now on!

Thanks...

Bosch has reduced the variety of relays available in the US. There
are 24VDC relays typically used in heavy equipment and marine. You
can try Hella and Tyco, Hella used to put out a catalog, lots of luck
with Tyco, although they do have data sheets if you drill into their
web site. There is a US automotive switch manufacturer (can't think
of their name) that makes a variety of automotive and heavy equipment
switches, some sealed.

hmmmm , theres one thing i wont be buying from bosch , thats spark plugs ,
bout a set of yttrium/platinum plugs $ 120 AUD..!!!!
then the whole ceramic centre electrode came of from the middle of the plug
, and ruined a $ 9500 aud engine , before that i had a saab turbo , put a
set of std type platinum plugs , 2 weeks later , it developed a miss ,
changed overto ngk`s not a problem , after heated talks with bosch , even
they admitt their platinum etc.... style plugs arent taht good !!



"Bill" wrote in message
...
"E" wrote in message
try
http://www.bosch.se/content/language...5_2006_eng.pdf

I'm buying Bosch parts from now on!

Thanks...

mark krawczuk wrote:
hmmmm , theres one thing i wont be buying from bosch , thats spark plugs ,
bout a set of yttrium/platinum plugs $ 120 AUD..!!!!
then the whole ceramic centre electrode came of from the middle of the plug
, and ruined a $ 9500 aud engine , before that i had a saab turbo , put a
set of std type platinum plugs , 2 weeks later , it developed a miss ,
changed overto ngk`s not a problem , after heated talks with bosch , even
they admitt their platinum etc.... style plugs arent taht good !!

I used to own an old Ford Escort, The Bosch plugs (2 sets) also cracked
around the centre electrode and dropped bits of ceramic into the engine.
I though it was just me.



"Bill" wrote in message
...
"E" wrote in message
try
http://www.bosch.se/content/language...5_2006_eng.pdf
I'm buying Bosch parts from now on!

Thanks...

On Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:13:15 +0930, "mark krawczuk"
wrote:

... i had a saab turbo , put a
set of std type platinum plugs , 2 weeks later , it developed a miss ,
changed overto ngk`s not a problem , after heated talks with bosch , even
they admitt their platinum etc.... style plugs arent taht good !!

But all (us) Saab Turbo owners know that you should only use NGKs!

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:39:10 -0700, "Bill"
wrote:

Why is this stuff a secret???

Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such as
relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)

All the usual things provided by everybody else in the electrical world!

But this information is not anywhere on the internet and the only thing on
the product packaging is a part number! No ratings are on the devices
either! Just a part number...

Or is there an automotive parts manufacturer who provides this basic
information on their web site?

Example of a relay data sheet from the non-automotive world...
http://www.magnecraft.com/library/section8/105A_49.pdf

You might try SAE AS5363 perhaps with SAE J2544 or SAE J1859 or SAE
J1744 or SAE J2907. Typically before you have enough to really work
with you will find you have to buy about a dozen or more standards.
Start with 1 or 2 and find the rest from the referenced standards that
those are written against.

On Jul 23, 10:39*pm, "Bill" wrote:
Why is this stuff a secret???

Where can I find data sheets or specifications for automotive parts such as
relays and switches? (Amperage ratings of contacts, pin and internal
component diagrams, duty rating of relays - continuous duty, etc.)

All the usual things provided by everybody else in the electrical world!

But this information is not anywhere on the internet and the only thing on
the product packaging is a part number! No ratings are on the devices
either! Just a part number...

Or is there an automotive parts manufacturer who provides this basic
information on their web site?

Example of a relay data sheet from the non-automotive world...http://www.magnecraft.com/library/section8/105A_49.pdf

WILL YOU BE USING THE STIMULUS PACKAGE FOR THAT ?

I AM PROTEUS