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Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
Having owned many of these, i often wondered on how to get
the most lifetime out of the battery's. I have had little used 14.4 volt drills that after 2 or 3 years the battery packs become very degraded. I this case, the drill sits unused for a long period of time, then recharged before next use. Laptops, same story. occasional use, sits for awhile then used again. Batteries are usually rated for so many cycles of recharging. So, should it be better to constantly recharge the units, or only charge as needed? The charge as needed method for units that sit for awhile does not seem to work out very well. I have a number of drill power packs that i need to find some of those tab ni-cads for. I think there c size or such. Anybody with tips on that let me know.. Keeping them constantly plugged in seems to me would use up there number of charge cycles and shorten life to. so, whats the best way to get the most out of rechargeable battery packs? And how can hybrid cars get 10 years out of a battery pack when i am lucky to get 2 or 3 out of most of the packs i have? I do see online how some of the early gen Prius packs are failing much to the owners displeasure. bob ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
bob urz wrote:
Having owned many of these, i often wondered on how to get the most lifetime out of the battery's. I have had little used 14.4 volt drills that after 2 or 3 years the battery packs become very degraded. I this case, the drill sits unused for a long period of time, then recharged before next use. Laptops, same story. occasional use, sits for awhile then used again. Batteries are usually rated for so many cycles of recharging. So, should it be better to constantly recharge the units, or only charge as needed? The charge as needed method for units that sit for awhile does not seem to work out very well. I have a number of drill power packs that i need to find some of those tab ni-cads for. I think there c size or such. Anybody with tips on that let me know.. Keeping them constantly plugged in seems to me would use up there number of charge cycles and shorten life to. so, whats the best way to get the most out of rechargeable battery packs? And how can hybrid cars get 10 years out of a battery pack when i am lucky to get 2 or 3 out of most of the packs i have? I do see online how some of the early gen Prius packs are failing much to the owners displeasure. bob Run the charge out and do not charge after use, store batteries in cold spot!. Some place batteries in a plastic bag for frig storage! Not the freezer box. I have a fire storm B&D and Crapsman drills , I do use them alot but I do not charge the packs when done. I just throw them in a little frig I have in the shop. They're both 4 or 5 years old and still work great. http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5" |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
bob urz wrote:
Having owned many of these, i often wondered on how to get the most lifetime out of the battery's. I have had little used 14.4 volt drills that after 2 or 3 years the battery packs become very degraded. I this case, the drill sits unused for a long period of time, then recharged before next use. Laptops, same story. occasional use, sits for awhile then used again. Batteries are usually rated for so many cycles of recharging. So, should it be better to constantly recharge the units, or only charge as needed? The charge as needed method for units that sit for awhile does not seem to work out very well. I have a number of drill power packs that i need to find some of those tab ni-cads for. I think there c size or such. Anybody with tips on that let me know.. Keeping them constantly plugged in seems to me would use up there number of charge cycles and shorten life to. so, whats the best way to get the most out of rechargeable battery packs? And how can hybrid cars get 10 years out of a battery pack when i am lucky to get 2 or 3 out of most of the packs i have? I do see online how some of the early gen Prius packs are failing much to the owners displeasure. bob ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Look at a few battery information sites, and the recommendations for your particular battery chemistry. FWIW, most NiMH authorities say for longest lifetime, to store them 50% charged. I always thought that was a bit ridiculous. How to you gauge 50%? I always store them charged. They'll get to 50% eventually..... jak |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
I had always read that nicads should be run down before being recharged.
I've done that with my Dust Buster and gotten excellent battery life out of it. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:22:09 -0500, Jamie wrote:
I have a fire storm B&D and Crapsman drills , I do use them alot but I do not charge the packs when done. I just throw them in a little frig I have in the shop. So -- when you need to use a drill, its battery is both cold _AND_ discharged. I wonder why no one else has ever come up with this Grand Idea? |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
Allodoxaphobia wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:22:09 -0500, Jamie wrote: I have a fire storm B&D and Crapsman drills , I do use them alot but I do not charge the packs when done. I just throw them in a little frig I have in the shop. So -- when you need to use a drill, its battery is both cold _AND_ discharged. I wonder why no one else has ever come up with this Grand Idea? I don't know, I do know that I learned that trick from my grandmother. She used to store the dry cells in the frig.. I learned that cold slows things down! including me ! :) http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5" |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:50:49 -0500, Jamie
t wrote: Allodoxaphobia wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:22:09 -0500, Jamie wrote: I have a fire storm B&D and Crapsman drills , I do use them alot but I do not charge the packs when done. I just throw them in a little frig I have in the shop. So -- when you need to use a drill, its battery is both cold _AND_ discharged. I wonder why no one else has ever come up with this Grand Idea? I don't know, I do know that I learned that trick from my grandmother. She used to store the dry cells in the frig.. In case anyone hasn't told you, NiCds and NHMs aren't dry cells. These cells don't benefit from storing cold, but are damaged by high temperatures. Your idea of draining them before storage is almost right. NiCds and NMHs should be stored discharged, but there is no need to discharge them; they'll do that themselves, just fine, and you won't risk reverse charging a cell. Discharging multi-cell NiCds damages more batteries than anything else. Over-charging is second. I learned that cold slows things down! including me ! :) http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5" I've learned that it also breaks things. No matter what the ad copy says, one size does not fit all. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 12:51:47 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: I had always read that nicads should be run down before being recharged. Running them down before recharge is different from running them down before storage. These batteries tend to have a limited number of charge cycles so, yes, you're better off using the batteries than charging them. Storage is another matter though. NiCds (NMH is a very similar chemistry) like to be stored flat but *NOT* discharged so low that cells get reversed. It's better to let them discharge themselves during storage. I've done that with my Dust Buster and gotten excellent battery life out of it. Dustbusters tend to get killed by constant charging in thier cheap-ass charger. Things like DustBusters would work much better if they used lead-acid batteries(SLACs). |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
Dustbusters tend to get killed by constant charging in
their cheap-ass charger. Which I don't do. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
In article ,
bob urz wrote: And how can hybrid cars get 10 years out of a battery pack when i am lucky to get 2 or 3 out of most of the packs i have? I do see online how some of the early gen Prius packs are failing much to the owners displeasure. The Prius doesn't allow its battery to get fully discharged. Also makes sure it isn't overheated during charging. Uses top quality cells too - which you don't get on cheap power tools. -- *Why are they called apartments, when they're all stuck together? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:40:10 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: Dustbusters tend to get killed by constant charging in their cheap-ass charger. Which I don't do. *THAT* is why your's lasts more than a month. Most keep them in their charger, which allows B&D to sell them another one in a few months. Ideally this sort of device (along with flashlights) would be constantly charged so it's always available for use. This contraindicates NiCds though (SLACs would be a good match). |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in
: I had always read that nicads should be run down before being recharged. I've done that with my Dust Buster and gotten excellent battery life out of it. the DB is designed to stay on the charger 24/7/365.(at least my model is) Mine lasted 10 yrs before needing a new pack,which was cheaper thna buying a new DB. you can buy NiCd cells at Digi-Key specifically designed for continuous charging. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
krw wrote in
: On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:40:10 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Dustbusters tend to get killed by constant charging in their cheap-ass charger. Which I don't do. *THAT* is why your's lasts more than a month. Most keep them in their charger, which allows B&D to sell them another one in a few months. Ideally this sort of device (along with flashlights) would be constantly charged so it's always available for use. This contraindicates NiCds though (SLACs would be a good match). My DB lasted -10 yrs- on the first battery pack. I had the pack replaced at a DeWalt service center,cheaper than a new DB. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
krw wrote in
: On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:50:49 -0500, Jamie wrote: Allodoxaphobia wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:22:09 -0500, Jamie wrote: I have a fire storm B&D and Crapsman drills , I do use them alot but I do not charge the packs when done. I just throw them in a little frig I have in the shop. So -- when you need to use a drill, its battery is both cold _AND_ discharged. I wonder why no one else has ever come up with this Grand Idea? I don't know, I do know that I learned that trick from my grandmother. She used to store the dry cells in the frig.. In case anyone hasn't told you, NiCds and NHMs aren't dry cells. These cells don't benefit from storing cold, but are damaged by high temperatures. Your idea of draining them before storage is almost right. NiCds and NMHs should be stored discharged, but there is no need to discharge them; they'll do that themselves, just fine, and you won't risk reverse charging a cell. Discharging multi-cell NiCds damages more batteries than anything else. Over-charging is second. I learned that cold slows things down! including me ! :) http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5" I've learned that it also breaks things. No matter what the ad copy says, one size does not fit all. My experience with NiCds is "use them or lose them". -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On 5 Jan 2009 04:56:47 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:
krw wrote in : On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:50:49 -0500, Jamie t wrote: Allodoxaphobia wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:22:09 -0500, Jamie wrote: I have a fire storm B&D and Crapsman drills , I do use them alot but I do not charge the packs when done. I just throw them in a little frig I have in the shop. So -- when you need to use a drill, its battery is both cold _AND_ discharged. I wonder why no one else has ever come up with this Grand Idea? I don't know, I do know that I learned that trick from my grandmother. She used to store the dry cells in the frig.. In case anyone hasn't told you, NiCds and NHMs aren't dry cells. These cells don't benefit from storing cold, but are damaged by high temperatures. Your idea of draining them before storage is almost right. NiCds and NMHs should be stored discharged, but there is no need to discharge them; they'll do that themselves, just fine, and you won't risk reverse charging a cell. Discharging multi-cell NiCds damages more batteries than anything else. Over-charging is second. I learned that cold slows things down! including me ! :) http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5" I've learned that it also breaks things. No matter what the ad copy says, one size does not fit all. My experience with NiCds is "use them or lose them". I have some from the '60s that still work (I may have finally thrown them out in the last move). As long as they're stored flat they should last virtually forever. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On 5 Jan 2009 04:55:27 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:
krw wrote in : On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 16:40:10 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Dustbusters tend to get killed by constant charging in their cheap-ass charger. Which I don't do. *THAT* is why your's lasts more than a month. Most keep them in their charger, which allows B&D to sell them another one in a few months. Ideally this sort of device (along with flashlights) would be constantly charged so it's always available for use. This contraindicates NiCds though (SLACs would be a good match). My DB lasted -10 yrs- on the first battery pack. I had the pack replaced at a DeWalt service center,cheaper than a new DB. I find that amazing. I've replaced drills (don't/wouldn't own a DB) because a new drill was cheaper than the batteries that come with it. In fact, that's how I built my Dewalt 18V battery collection. ;-) I found an 18V compact drill (already had the standard 18V model) for $100 in HomeDespot. Two batteries were worth $120 ($180 if bought separately). I got another drill, not that I needed it - I have at least six, free. ;-) |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
I have some from the '60s that still work (I may have finally thrown
them out in the last move). As long as they're stored flat they should last virtually forever. What about them drying out? |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in
: I have some from the '60s that still work (I may have finally thrown them out in the last move). As long as they're stored flat they should last virtually forever. What about them drying out? I don't believe the electrolyte is water-based. I also don't believe that about "stored flat they should last virtually forever",as they will still grow crystal spikes that short out the cell. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
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Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
It's my understanding that dendrites grow in the presence of
an electric field. If they're totally flat there should be no growth. What is "totally flat"? You can't drive a battery pack down to zero, only individual cells. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
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Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
krw wrote in
t: In article , says... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in : I have some from the '60s that still work (I may have finally thrown them out in the last move). As long as they're stored flat they should last virtually forever. What about them drying out? I don't believe the electrolyte is water-based. I also don't believe that about "stored flat they should last virtually forever",as they will still grow crystal spikes that short out the cell. It's my understanding that dendrites grow in the presence of an electric field. If they're totally flat there should be no growth. define "totally flat",or just "flat". Are you saying -zero- volts per cell? If there's -any- charge on them,they'll grow dendrites. In my experience,NiCds that aren't used regularly go bad quickly. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
krw wrote in
t: In article , says... krw wrote in t: In article , says... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in : I have some from the '60s that still work (I may have finally thrown them out in the last move). As long as they're stored flat they should last virtually forever. What about them drying out? I don't believe the electrolyte is water-based. I also don't believe that about "stored flat they should last virtually forever",as they will still grow crystal spikes that short out the cell. It's my understanding that dendrites grow in the presence of an electric field. If they're totally flat there should be no growth. define "totally flat",or just "flat". Are you saying -zero- volts per cell? Yes. That's flat. They'll self-discharge all the way to zero in a year or so. and won't recover,either. If there's -any- charge on them,they'll grow dendrites. There won't be charge in them long. evidently long enough to grow dendrites. In my experience,NiCds that aren't used regularly go bad quickly. Either you buy incredibly crappy batteries or you're doing something bad to them. that experience would include my own purchases(like B&D and Makita) and those of Tektronix for their battery-powered products. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On Jan 5, 6:34*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:
krw wrote . net: In article , says... krw wrote in . net: In article , says... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in : I have some from the '60s that still work (I may have finally thrown them out in the last move). As long as they're stored flat they should last virtually forever. What about them drying out? I don't believe the electrolyte is water-based. I also don't believe that about "stored flat they should last virtually forever",as they will still grow crystal spikes that short out the cell. It's my understanding that dendrites grow in the presence of an electric field. *If they're totally flat there should be no growth.. define "totally flat",or just "flat". Are you saying -zero- volts per cell? Yes. *That's flat. *They'll self-discharge all the way to zero in a year or so. and won't recover,either. If there's -any- charge on them,they'll grow dendrites. There won't be charge in them long. evidently long enough to grow dendrites. In my experience,NiCds that aren't used regularly go bad quickly. Either you buy incredibly crappy batteries or you're doing something bad to them. * that experience would include my own purchases(like B&D and Makita) and those of Tektronix for their battery-powered products. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You can almost always burn the dendrites off with a current thru the battery of 10 amps or so for a few seconds. The problem is that you may have to take the battery pack apart to get to each cell to see which one(s) have developed shorts. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On 5 Jan 2009 04:53:44 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in : I had always read that nicads should be run down before being recharged. I've done that with my Dust Buster and gotten excellent battery life out of it. the DB is designed to stay on the charger 24/7/365.(at least my model is) Mine lasted 10 yrs before needing a new pack,which was cheaper thna buying a new DB. you can buy NiCd cells at Digi-Key specifically designed for continuous charging. I suppose you believe Ron Popiel too. The nature of the batery chemistry says that this is false. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
krw wrote in
: On 5 Jan 2009 04:53:44 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote: "William Sommerwerck" wrote in : I had always read that nicads should be run down before being recharged. I've done that with my Dust Buster and gotten excellent battery life out of it. the DB is designed to stay on the charger 24/7/365.(at least my model is) Mine lasted 10 yrs before needing a new pack,which was cheaper thna buying a new DB. you can buy NiCd cells at Digi-Key specifically designed for continuous charging. I suppose you believe Ron Popiel too. The nature of the batery chemistry says that this is false. Hey,I'm just relating what DIGI-KEY lists in their catalog;NiCds specifically designed for continous charge;24/7/365. Digi Key is not RONCO. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
krw wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 18:50:49 -0500, Jamie t wrote: Allodoxaphobia wrote: On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 14:22:09 -0500, Jamie wrote: I have a fire storm B&D and Crapsman drills , I do use them alot but I do not charge the packs when done. I just throw them in a little frig I have in the shop. So -- when you need to use a drill, its battery is both cold _AND_ discharged. I wonder why no one else has ever come up with this Grand Idea? I don't know, I do know that I learned that trick from my grandmother. She used to store the dry cells in the frig.. In case anyone hasn't told you, NiCds and NHMs aren't dry cells. These cells don't benefit from storing cold, but are damaged by high temperatures. Your idea of draining them before storage is almost right. NiCds and NMHs should be stored discharged, but there is no need to discharge them; they'll do that themselves, just fine, and you won't risk reverse charging a cell. Discharging multi-cell NiCds damages more batteries than anything else. Over-charging is second. I agree that many people are too keen on discharging their packs until every last bit of charge has been removed, at which point one of the cells will be reverse charged and damaged. If you store them fully charged and let them self-discharge, the rate of self-discharge is likely to be different between different cells in the pack, meaning that after storage there will be a wide variation in the state of charge between the different cells. Then if the pack is subsequently fast-charged, one of the cells may get overcharged. I would aim to get the pack nearly flat, but not so flat that any of the cells is at any risk of being reverse charged, before storing the pack for a long period. Chris |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
Chris Jones wrote in
: I would aim to get the pack nearly flat, but not so flat that any of the cells is at any risk of being reverse charged, before storing the pack for a long period. Chris I'd aim to get lithium-ion packs,that will retain a usable charge for several months. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
Digi Key is not RONCO.
Don't bet on it. What a silly remark. Digi-Key is a major component supplier that's been around about 20 years. They sell no consumer products. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
"William Sommerwerck" wrote in
: JY wrote; Digi Key is not RONCO. krw wrote; Don't bet on it. What a silly remark. Digi-Key is a major component supplier that's been around about 20 years. They sell no consumer products. it kinda destroys krw's credibility. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
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Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
Digi Key is not RONCO.
Don't bet on it. What a silly remark. Digi-Key is a major component supplier that's been around about 20 years. They sell no consumer products. They'll sell whatever manufacturers have to sell, at 2-10x the going price. Sounds a lot like Ronco to me, though their online catalog is better. This is foolishness. Digi-Key is a distributor, not a manufacturer. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
bob urz wrote: Having owned many of these, i often wondered on how to get the most lifetime out of the battery's. I have had little used 14.4 volt drills that after 2 or 3 years the battery packs become very degraded. I this case, the drill sits unused for a long period of time, then recharged before next use. Laptops, same story. occasional use, sits for awhile then used again. Batteries are usually rated for so many cycles of recharging. So, should it be better to constantly recharge the units, or only charge as needed? The charge as needed method for units that sit for awhile does not seem to work out very well. I have a number of drill power packs that i need to find some of those tab ni-cads for. I think there c size or such. Anybody with tips on that let me know.. Keeping them constantly plugged in seems to me would use up there number of charge cycles and shorten life to. so, whats the best way to get the most out of rechargeable battery packs? And how can hybrid cars get 10 years out of a battery pack when i am lucky to get 2 or 3 out of most of the packs i have? I do see online how some of the early gen Prius packs are failing much to the owners displeasure. The Prius maintains its batteries at between 50-80% of full charge. Any new battery or battery that's gone unused for at least 2 months should be charged longer than normal, 24-36 hours, whether you use a fast charger or trickle charger. The only exceptions are very primitive chargers that end charging with just a simple bimetal thermostat. Disconnect the battery within an hour after the thermostat opens. Try to let batteries cool down before recharging, but do not leave the battery connected to the battery continuously, even if the charger is designed to shut off or go into a maintenance mode. Also do not fully discharge batteries regularly but only down to 1.1V per cell (13.2V, in the case of a 14.4V battery). Deeper discharge is harmful. Also check each cell occasionally for reverse polarity. If not corrected, reverse polarity will lead to the affected cell becoming shorted and the other cells overcharged. To correct reverse polarity, charge the affected cell by directly connecting approximately 100mA DC to that cell and only that cell for a few minutes, then recharge the battery normally. Drilling several tiny vent holes into the battery pack may help cooling, top and bottom, but remove the cells first. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:21:53 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: Digi Key is not RONCO. Don't bet on it. What a silly remark. Digi-Key is a major component supplier that's been around about 20 years. They sell no consumer products. They'll sell whatever manufacturers have to sell, at 2-10x the going price. Sounds a lot like Ronco to me, though their online catalog is better. This is foolishness. Digi-Key is a distributor, not a manufacturer. Can't read much, eh? |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
"krw" wrote in message
... On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:21:53 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Digi Key is not RONCO. Don't bet on it. What a silly remark. Digi-Key is a major component supplier that's been around about 20 years. They sell no consumer products. They'll sell whatever manufacturers have to sell, at 2-10x the going price. Sounds a lot like Ronco to me, though their online catalog is better. This is foolishness. Digi-Key is a distributor, not a manufacturer. Can't read much, eh? Guess not. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:04:59 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: "krw" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:21:53 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Digi Key is not RONCO. Don't bet on it. What a silly remark. Digi-Key is a major component supplier that's been around about 20 years. They sell no consumer products. They'll sell whatever manufacturers have to sell, at 2-10x the going price. Sounds a lot like Ronco to me, though their online catalog is better. This is foolishness. Digi-Key is a distributor, not a manufacturer. Can't read much, eh? Guess not. At least you're honest about your shortcommings. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
"krw" wrote in message
... On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:04:59 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: "krw" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:21:53 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Digi Key is not RONCO. Don't bet on it. What a silly remark. Digi-Key is a major component supplier that's been around about 20 years. They sell no consumer products. They'll sell whatever manufacturers have to sell, at 2-10x the going price. Sounds a lot like Ronco to me, though their online catalog is better. This is foolishness. Digi-Key is a distributor, not a manufacturer. Can't read much, eh? Guess not. At least you're honest about your shortcommings. I was being sarcastic. To compare a major distributor of name-brand electronic components that it does not manufacture, with a maker of consumer gadgetry, is ludicrous. The fact that both companies sell items for more than what it costs to make or obtain them (which all companies have to do to stay in business) does not bestow any form of equivalence on their businesses. |
Laptop/ drill rechargable batterys.. methods for longer life?
On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:18:10 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: "krw" wrote in message .. . On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 14:04:59 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: "krw" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 13:21:53 -0800, "William Sommerwerck" wrote: Digi Key is not RONCO. Don't bet on it. What a silly remark. Digi-Key is a major component supplier that's been around about 20 years. They sell no consumer products. They'll sell whatever manufacturers have to sell, at 2-10x the going price. Sounds a lot like Ronco to me, though their online catalog is better. This is foolishness. Digi-Key is a distributor, not a manufacturer. Can't read much, eh? Guess not. At least you're honest about your shortcommings. I was being sarcastic. I wasn't. Your shorcommings aren't just in your shorts, evidently. To compare a major distributor of name-brand electronic components that it does not manufacture, with a maker of consumer gadgetry, is ludicrous. You think Ron Popiel actually makes his gadgets? The fact that both companies sell items for more than what it costs to make or obtain them (which all companies have to do to stay in business) does not bestow any form of equivalence on their businesses. Both sell **** for *way* more than it's worth. |
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