My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


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In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.
--
Ian

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

Oh, they will... if you don't take them out of the box.

In message , Graz
writes
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

They will if you use the same maintenance procedure as the council
road-sweeper who had the same broom as he had when he started the job 30
years ago!

Actually, that's not completely true. I've also had to do the occasional
bit of re-soldering where the flex has broken off from the sockets.

I've actually got a set of lights (20 largish bulbs) which my parents
tried to surprise me with around 1950. It's short of a few working
bulbs, but I think you can still get them. Unfortunately, they are in
the same place as the set which I have lost.
--
Ian

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
...
In message , Graz
writes
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

They will if you use the same maintenance procedure as the council
road-sweeper who had the same broom as he had when he started the job 30
years ago!

Actually, that's not completely true. I've also had to do the occasional
bit of re-soldering where the flex has broken off from the sockets.

I've actually got a set of lights (20 largish bulbs) which my parents
tried to surprise me with around 1950. It's short of a few working bulbs,
but I think you can still get them. Unfortunately, they are in the same
place as the set which I have lost.
--
Ian

1) I have found the best way to find something that is missing is to buy a
replacement.

2) Then carefully decide where you will store the replacement to be sure you
can find it later.

3) You will then put the new stuff right beside the one you couldn't find.

4) Next year you will either have found all of them thus having more than
what you want

or

You will be unable to find any of them. In that case

Go to step 1 and repeat.

DAMHIKT.

Charlie

"Graz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

**Indeed. They will last longer. MUCH longer. Most sane people buy LED
Christmas lights. These have an almost indefinite life, better colour
rendition (particularly blue) and consume far less energy. My most recently
purchased set (unfortunately purchased at the post-Christmas sale, last
year - I will be checking any future purchases immediately) had the last
four green ones out. Some genius in China had installed one of the LEDs
'round the wrong way. A quick fix and the lights will last longer than I
will. I have absolute confidence that the lights will last many hundreds of
years. Incandescent Christmas lights are so last century.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Graz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

**Indeed. They will last longer. MUCH longer. Most sane people buy LED
Christmas lights. These have an almost indefinite life, better colour
rendition (particularly blue) and consume far less energy. My most recently
purchased set (unfortunately purchased at the post-Christmas sale, last
year - I will be checking any future purchases immediately) had the last
four green ones out. Some genius in China had installed one of the LEDs
'round the wrong way. A quick fix and the lights will last longer than I
will. I have absolute confidence that the lights will last many hundreds of
years. Incandescent Christmas lights are so last century.


I haven't had a Christmas tree light burn out in 35 years.


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writes



"Graz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

**Indeed. They will last longer. MUCH longer. Most sane people buy LED
Christmas lights. These have an almost indefinite life, better colour
rendition (particularly blue) and consume far less energy. My most recently
purchased set (unfortunately purchased at the post-Christmas sale, last
year - I will be checking any future purchases immediately) had the last
four green ones out. Some genius in China had installed one of the LEDs
'round the wrong way. A quick fix and the lights will last longer than I
will. I have absolute confidence that the lights will last many hundreds of
years. Incandescent Christmas lights are so last century.


I'm sure that you are correct. LEDs are less likely to fail, The problem
is that their introduction seems to have coincided with a different
'fashion' in the colours of the lights. Instead of having a good variety
of red, green, blue. orange. purple, white etc, a lot of the new sets of
lights are all one colour (usually garish blue or white). They have made
up for the lack of colours by having providing a lot of programmable
modes for making the lights flash (most of them in a most un-Christmassy
manor).

I have always loved Christmas lights. Although I was barely more than a
toddler, I can still remember arriving with my mother by bus in the
centre of Newcastle upon Tyne, and finding lots of Christmas lights
festooning the trees. It was the first time that they had been allowed
after WW2.
--
Ian

In message , Ian Jackson
writes
un-Christmassy manor.

Oops! I meant 'manner'!
--
Ian

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Ian Jackson
writes
un-Christmassy manor.

Oops! I meant 'manner'!


Sure you did. All you 'Brits' are just alike! ;-)


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Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Ian Jackson
writes
un-Christmassy manor.

Oops! I meant 'manner'!


Sure you did. All you 'Brits' are just alike! ;-)

My goddamned spoil chalker was ploying oops.
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"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Trevor Wilson
writes



"Graz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

**Indeed. They will last longer. MUCH longer. Most sane people buy LED
Christmas lights. These have an almost indefinite life, better colour
rendition (particularly blue) and consume far less energy. My most
recently
purchased set (unfortunately purchased at the post-Christmas sale, last
year - I will be checking any future purchases immediately) had the last
four green ones out. Some genius in China had installed one of the LEDs
'round the wrong way. A quick fix and the lights will last longer than I
will. I have absolute confidence that the lights will last many hundreds
of
years. Incandescent Christmas lights are so last century.


I'm sure that you are correct. LEDs are less likely to fail, The problem
is that their introduction seems to have coincided with a different
'fashion' in the colours of the lights. Instead of having a good variety
of red, green, blue. orange. purple, white etc, a lot of the new sets of
lights are all one colour (usually garish blue or white). They have made
up for the lack of colours by having providing a lot of programmable modes
for making the lights flash (most of them in a most un-Christmassy manor).

**I guess we're more fortunate down here in Australia. My lights (of the
budget variety) have the following colours: Blue, green, red and
orange/amber. There are 8 modes of operation, including a rather nice
'twinkling' mode. It even has a slow flash, wich my partner finds less
annoying than the regular falshing. We probably use the always on mode most
of all. We also have several varieties of white LEDs available, along with
blue, red and other colours.


I have always loved Christmas lights. Although I was barely more than a
toddler, I can still remember arriving with my mother by bus in the centre
of Newcastle upon Tyne, and finding lots of Christmas lights festooning
the trees. It was the first time that they had been allowed after WW2.

**I STILL reckon LEDs are far and away the best thing in Christmas lights
ever made.


--
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www.rageaudio.com.au

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:03:49 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Most sane people buy LED
Christmas lights. These have an almost indefinite life, better colour
rendition (particularly blue) and consume far less energy. My most recently
purchased set (unfortunately purchased at the post-Christmas sale, last
year - I will be checking any future purchases immediately) had the last
four green ones out. Some genius in China had installed one of the LEDs
'round the wrong way. A quick fix and the lights will last longer than I
will. I have absolute confidence that the lights will last many hundreds of
years. Incandescent Christmas lights are so last century.

IME most problems have been due to poor connections rather than bulb
failures. Of the bulbs that do fail, many are crushed due to
mishandling.

I agree that LEDs are the way to go, but I'd want them hard-wired for
maximum reliability. Of course that would then stop you from
customising your own colour arrangements.

- Franc Zabkar
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Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Michael A.
Terrell writes

Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Ian Jackson
writes
un-Christmassy manor.

Oops! I meant 'manner'!


Sure you did. All you 'Brits' are just alike! ;-)

My goddamned spoil chalker was ploying oops.


It was over egg nogged. ;-)


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"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:03:49 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

Most sane people buy LED
Christmas lights. These have an almost indefinite life, better colour
rendition (particularly blue) and consume far less energy. My most
recently
purchased set (unfortunately purchased at the post-Christmas sale, last
year - I will be checking any future purchases immediately) had the last
four green ones out. Some genius in China had installed one of the LEDs
'round the wrong way. A quick fix and the lights will last longer than I
will. I have absolute confidence that the lights will last many hundreds
of
years. Incandescent Christmas lights are so last century.

IME most problems have been due to poor connections rather than bulb
failures. Of the bulbs that do fail, many are crushed due to
mishandling.

I agree that LEDs are the way to go, but I'd want them hard-wired for
maximum reliability. Of course that would then stop you from
customising your own colour arrangements.

**ME? I doubt that. I have a soldering iron, a heat gun and a good supply of
heatshrink. The average punter may be flummoxed though.


--
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www.rageaudio.com.au

In article ,
Ian Jackson wrote:

I'm sure that you are correct. LEDs are less likely to fail,

The LEDs have a longer lifetime than incandescents, but I've heard
numerous reports of high failure rates on LED-based Christmas light
strings.

It sounded as if cheap socketing/wiring was the cause... corrosion
would end up disconnecting the LED leads from the wiring.

This was a couple of years ago, and (I think) may have involved the
cheap-end-of-the-market products. I imagine there are high-quality
LED light strings available today, as well as bottom-of-the-barrel
junk.

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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:50:21 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
put finger to keyboard and
composed:

"Franc Zabkar" wrote in message
.. .

I agree that LEDs are the way to go, but I'd want them hard-wired for
maximum reliability. Of course that would then stop you from
customising your own colour arrangements.

**ME? I doubt that. I have a soldering iron, a heat gun and a good supply of
heatshrink. The average punter may be flummoxed though.

Sorry, I didn't mean to impugn your ability. I was speaking generally.

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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 16:26:36 -0000, Graz wrote:

On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

New ones are LEDs, they last longer and aren't usually screwed in, so won't come loose like the OP described.

And who let you out of uk.rec.driving? Are you following me?

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On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 -0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

I used to have a set which was decades old. The voltage of the bulbs had changed slightly (mains from 250 to 230 volts?), and I never planned ahead enough to buy a whole set of bulbs, but just replaced the burnt out ones. As the new ones were slightly lower voltage, they always went first. Replaced about 7 or 8 a year.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

I can see some houses in my street from a few miles away.

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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:46:07 -0000, Ian Jackson wrote:

In message , Trevor Wilson
writes



"Graz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:51:44 +0000, Ian Jackson
wrote:

In message , N_Cook
writes
My response to someone's query in a UK national newspaper
http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqu...,-1880,00.html
probably a load of balloney but it was the only published reply


When the festivities are over, our 30 year old set of 40 small lights
gets carefully wound onto a copy of the Christmas edition of the Radio
Times from around 1980. They are then put away carefully.

The following Christmas, before unwinding them, I always plug them in
first to test them. And guess what? They NEVER work until I check the
tightness of all 40 of them - and it IS always number 40 which is the
slack one. Only then do I unwind them, and put them up. Finally, I spend
a few minutes nostalgically looking at the old Radio Times, and realise
that most of the performers are now dead.

However, this year, I couldn't find them. I've obviously put them away
too carefully. So I treated myself to a new set. These are high-tech,
with 8 programmable modes of flashing. Christmas will never be the same.

And there's no way the new ones will last 30 years.

**Indeed. They will last longer. MUCH longer. Most sane people buy LED
Christmas lights. These have an almost indefinite life, better colour
rendition (particularly blue) and consume far less energy. My most recently
purchased set (unfortunately purchased at the post-Christmas sale, last
year - I will be checking any future purchases immediately) had the last
four green ones out. Some genius in China had installed one of the LEDs
'round the wrong way. A quick fix and the lights will last longer than I
will. I have absolute confidence that the lights will last many hundreds of
years. Incandescent Christmas lights are so last century.


I'm sure that you are correct. LEDs are less likely to fail, The problem
is that their introduction seems to have coincided with a different
'fashion' in the colours of the lights. Instead of having a good variety
of red, green, blue. orange. purple, white etc, a lot of the new sets of
lights are all one colour (usually garish blue or white). They have made
up for the lack of colours by having providing a lot of programmable
modes for making the lights flash (most of them in a most un-Christmassy
manor).

But surely you have more than just one set of lights? Then you have plenty colours, colour coded with what they're on (I'm thinking more of the entire garden, not just a tree).

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