Peter Hucker wrote:
There are Lithium AAs.

There are 1.5 volt lithium batteries, such as AA's. They are rare, and
have extremely long shelf life, but I have never seen specs for
discharge rate, etc.

The only ones I have ever seen were packed with a fan powered gas mask,
but I think you can get them if you shop around.

Considering the shelf life of alkeline batteries sold here is less than
a year, even the "name brands". It's almost a moot point. We no longer
get any batteries from west of us, they all come from Korea, "China"
(inside the PRC), Singapore or Hong Kong.

Even the Japanese brands (Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba) are made in China,
and so are the famous US brands (EverReady, DuraCell). The only one missing
is Ray-O-Vac.

Geoff.

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On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:19:02 -0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:
There are Lithium AAs.

There are 1.5 volt lithium batteries, such as AA's. They are rare, and
have extremely long shelf life, but I have never seen specs for
discharge rate, etc.

The only ones I have ever seen were packed with a fan powered gas mask,
but I think you can get them if you shop around.

http://www.farnell.co.uk

Search for lithium aa

There are loads of name brands.

Considering the shelf life of alkeline batteries sold here is less than
a year, even the "name brands". It's almost a moot point. We no longer
get any batteries from west of us, they all come from Korea, "China"
(inside the PRC), Singapore or Hong Kong.

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4 or 5 years in the future.

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Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.


So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.

Geoff.


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On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:09:02 -0000, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.


So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.

The only batteries I see leaking are Zinc Carbons, and Alkalines that were bought over 5 years ago. It seems strange you are getting such crap quality cells. I mostly get Duracell and some other lesser known brands.

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.


So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.


An awful lot of the 'Duracells' you'll find in discount places,
markets, etc. are chinese fakes. A genuine Procell PP3 has six
cylindrical cells which look like a small AAA cell. The ripoffs I`ve
seen have flat cells. You can barely tell the difference from external
appearances alone - the price should be your guide.

Ron(UK)

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:20:08 -0000, Ron(UK) wrote:

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.


So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.


An awful lot of the 'Duracells' you'll find in discount places,
markets, etc. are chinese fakes. A genuine Procell PP3 has six
cylindrical cells which look like a small AAA cell. The ripoffs I`ve
seen have flat cells. You can barely tell the difference from external
appearances alone - the price should be your guide.

I've never bought any at a market, as they are cheaper in bulk from places like Rapid Electronics.

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Peter Hucker wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:20:08 -0000, Ron(UK) wrote:

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.

So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.

An awful lot of the 'Duracells' you'll find in discount places,
markets, etc. are chinese fakes. A genuine Procell PP3 has six
cylindrical cells which look like a small AAA cell. The ripoffs I`ve
seen have flat cells. You can barely tell the difference from external
appearances alone - the price should be your guide.

I've never bought any at a market, as they are cheaper in bulk from places like Rapid Electronics.

CPC are pretty good, discounted AND two boxes for the price of one.

Ron

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:42:56 -0000, Ron(UK) wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:
On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 17:20:08 -0000, Ron(UK) wrote:

Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.

So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.

An awful lot of the 'Duracells' you'll find in discount places,
markets, etc. are chinese fakes. A genuine Procell PP3 has six
cylindrical cells which look like a small AAA cell. The ripoffs I`ve
seen have flat cells. You can barely tell the difference from external
appearances alone - the price should be your guide.

I've never bought any at a market, as they are cheaper in bulk from places like Rapid Electronics.

CPC are pretty good, discounted AND two boxes for the price of one.

It may have been Farnell (same company as CPC) I got them from. I use both Farnell and Rapid, whichever is cheaper. Rapid are good for NiMH.

2 packs of 10? That sounds familiar actually.

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Ron(UK) wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.


So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.


An awful lot of the 'Duracells' you'll find in discount places, markets,
etc. are chinese fakes. A genuine Procell PP3 has six cylindrical cells
which look like a small AAA cell. The ripoffs I`ve seen have flat cells.
You can barely tell the difference from external appearances alone - the
price should be your guide.

Ron(UK)

They are actually AAAA cells.....

jak

jakdedert wrote:
Ron(UK) wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.


So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.


An awful lot of the 'Duracells' you'll find in discount places,
markets, etc. are chinese fakes. A genuine Procell PP3 has six
cylindrical cells which look like a small AAA cell. The ripoffs I`ve
seen have flat cells. You can barely tell the difference from external
appearances alone - the price should be your guide.

Ron(UK)

They are actually AAAA cells.....

Same in an Energizer, the difference is that the cells in a Procell
are connected by spotwelded on flat metal strips
In an Energizer, pressure alone connects the cells to the top terminals
and bottom conductors. That might explain why they sometimes
inexplicably fail after a few minutes.

Ron(UK)

On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:28:24 -0000, Ron(UK) wrote:

jakdedert wrote:
Ron(UK) wrote:
Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.


So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.


An awful lot of the 'Duracells' you'll find in discount places,
markets, etc. are chinese fakes. A genuine Procell PP3 has six
cylindrical cells which look like a small AAA cell. The ripoffs I`ve
seen have flat cells. You can barely tell the difference from external
appearances alone - the price should be your guide.

Ron(UK)

They are actually AAAA cells.....

Same in an Energizer, the difference is that the cells in a Procell
are connected by spotwelded on flat metal strips
In an Energizer, pressure alone connects the cells to the top terminals
and bottom conductors. That might explain why they sometimes
inexplicably fail after a few minutes.

I though "Procell" was one of those cheap makes you get in Farnell?

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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:

LESS THAN A YEAR?!?!?! I have Duracells with a use by date of about 4
or 5 years in the future.


So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.


Are you storing them in an oven? I have used Alkaline cells that
were over six years old.


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In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4 months.


Are you storing them in an oven? I have used Alkaline cells that
were over six years old.

Are those times for cells that have been stored in unused condition,
or for cells that are in a device which is in occasional use?

I believe that the former (shelf life when fully charged) is often a
good deal better than the latter (lifetime once partially discharged).
I've read that even a modest partial discharge of an alkaline cell
starts an electrochemical reaction that can lead to corrosion of the
case after a year or so.

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In article ,
Dave Platt wrote:
Are you storing them in an oven? I have used Alkaline cells that
were over six years old.

Are those times for cells that have been stored in unused condition,
or for cells that are in a device which is in occasional use?

I believe that the former (shelf life when fully charged) is often a
good deal better than the latter (lifetime once partially discharged).
I've read that even a modest partial discharge of an alkaline cell
starts an electrochemical reaction that can lead to corrosion of the
case after a year or so.

I'd say you need to change your brand.

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Are those times for cells that have been stored in unused condition,
or for cells that are in a device which is in occasional use?

Unused, of course. Using the cell, even "occasionally", drains it.


I believe that the former (shelf life when fully charged) is often a
good deal better than the latter (lifetime once partially discharged).
I've read that even a modest partial discharge of an alkaline cell
starts an electrochemical reaction that can lead to corrosion of the
case after a year or so.

I've never seen this. Sounds like another myth started by someone who
doesn't understand.

The electrochemical reactions in batteries continue at all time, whether
they are "new" or used.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:21:10 -0800, Dave Platt wrote:
In article , Michael A.
Terrell wrote:

So do I. They rarely last more than a year before they leak, and some
brands even less. Before they changed from some anonymous Chinese
manufacturer to GPT, the Office Depot brand sold here lasted 3-4
months.

Are you storing them in an oven? I have used Alkaline cells that
were over six years old.

Are those times for cells that have been stored in unused condition, or
for cells that are in a device which is in occasional use?

I believe that the former (shelf life when fully charged) is often a good
deal better than the latter (lifetime once partially discharged). I've
read that even a modest partial discharge of an alkaline cell starts an
electrochemical reaction that can lead to corrosion of the case after a
year or so.

I have a Fujicam that takes AAs - I used to use NiMHs, but they turned
out to be crap, so I got a couple of alkalines, which have lasted now for
at least a year in intermittent duty - the camera is a real current hog,
even when it's off, so I just store the cam with the battery door open.
This means I have to set its clock every time I use it, but I consider
that a small price to pay for the kind of reliability I'm getting.

YMMV, of course.

Cheers!
Rich

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Are you storing them in an oven? I have used Alkaline cells that
were over six years old.

I think it has more to do with who makes the batteries and where
than how they are stored. We get lots of things from Hong Kong,
Singapore and mainland China.

If you think the people who put melanine in powdered milk, or used lead
paint on toys are the only ones who produce cheap junk and label it
has high priced well known brands, you are mistaken.

Here, were most UK and US brands are not officially sold, and grey market
goods are perfectly legal, you never know what you are buying, even if you
buy it in a well known store.

I expect that it's now the same way elsewhere, except that the name
brands usually are really what you think you are getting.

For example, last Christmas one of the major UK retailers sold a DVD player
for 10 quid. In the box was a remote and I assume batteries. How much did
those batteries cost, and how many of them surfaced with "brand names" on
them?

Geoff.


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"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Are you storing them in an oven? I have used Alkaline cells that
were over six years old.

I think it has more to do with who makes the batteries and where
than how they are stored. We get lots of things from Hong Kong,
Singapore and mainland China.

If you think the people who put melanine in powdered milk, or used lead
paint on toys are the only ones who produce cheap junk and label it
has high priced well known brands, you are mistaken.

Here, were most UK and US brands are not officially sold, and grey market
goods are perfectly legal, you never know what you are buying, even if you
buy it in a well known store.

I expect that it's now the same way elsewhere, except that the name
brands usually are really what you think you are getting.

For example, last Christmas one of the major UK retailers sold a DVD player
for 10 quid. In the box was a remote and I assume batteries. How much did
those batteries cost, and how many of them surfaced with "brand names" on
them?


I'm in the US, so quid is meaningless to me. Most remotes here seem
to be shipped with crappy carbon zinc, or no name alkaline cells. Some
are so bad they leak before the item is sold.

Right now you can buy a DVD player for US $14 after a $5 rebate. I
saw plenty of them in the 19 to 29 dollar range through the year.

I buy only name brand US made cells when I can. I keep a good
supply on hand for power outages, flashlights & hurricane season. I use
my oldest stock between seasons, and some got quite old. They were well
past the use by dates, but all were still good.


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In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I'm in the US, so quid is meaningless to me.

Bit like 'buck', then, to the rest of the world. ;-)

Quid is slang for 1 gbp.

The way things are going 1 gbp = 1$ = 1 Euro. At least it will make
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m...

"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Are you storing them in an oven? I have used Alkaline cells that
were over six years old.

I think it has more to do with who makes the batteries and where
than how they are stored. We get lots of things from Hong Kong,
Singapore and mainland China.

If you think the people who put melanine in powdered milk, or used lead
paint on toys are the only ones who produce cheap junk and label it
has high priced well known brands, you are mistaken.

Here, were most UK and US brands are not officially sold, and grey market
goods are perfectly legal, you never know what you are buying, even if
you
buy it in a well known store.

I expect that it's now the same way elsewhere, except that the name
brands usually are really what you think you are getting.

For example, last Christmas one of the major UK retailers sold a DVD
player
for 10 quid. In the box was a remote and I assume batteries. How much did
those batteries cost, and how many of them surfaced with "brand names" on
them?


I'm in the US, so quid is meaningless to me. Most remotes here seem
to be shipped with crappy carbon zinc, or no name alkaline cells. Some
are so bad they leak before the item is sold.

The VCR which I got in Kozani (eastern Macedonia, greece's province, not the
country), a Sony, in 1995, had its remote supplied with 2 carbon zinc Sony
AA cells. Well, they lasted until a couple of years ago, the VCR got another
problem and I decided to throw it away to get a sony dvd player (50
euros).:-)
A merry Christmas to everyone!

Right now you can buy a DVD player for US $14 after a $5 rebate. I
saw plenty of them in the 19 to 29 dollar range through the year.

I buy only name brand US made cells when I can. I keep a good
supply on hand for power outages, flashlights & hurricane season. I use
my oldest stock between seasons, and some got quite old. They were well
past the use by dates, but all were still good.




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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:33:27 +0000 (GMT), the renowned Stuart
wrote:

In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I'm in the US, so quid is meaningless to me.

Quid = Pounds, at the current exchange rate = $1.47

If you remember the 3-letter ISO currency codes, Google will do a lot
of the slogwork for you, and more.

For example, if I would like to know the price of gasoline (petrol) in
China using the obsolete units of my youth, I need only type:

5.1 CNY per liter in CAD per imperial gallon

and it responds with

5.1 (Chinese yuan per liter) = 4.08944735 Canadian dollars per
Imperial gallon

Or combined reciprocal and units conversion:

6.3 liters per 100km in miles per imperial gallon

responds with

6.3 liters per 100km = 44.8382624 miles per Imperial gallon

or

6.3 liters per 100km in miles per gallon

responds with

6.3 liters per 100km = 37.3356481 miles per gallon

(careful, the default "gallon" is some kind of undersized quaint wine
gallon for unknown reasons).


Here is the list of ISO codes (Google does not have them all
available, but the major ones should be there).

http://www.xe.com/iso4217.php


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On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:33:27 -0000, Stuart wrote:

In article ,
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
I'm in the US, so quid is meaningless to me.

Quid = Pounds, at the current exchange rate = $1.47

What happened? I thought wer were approaching $2 per quid.

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There are 1.5 volt lithium batteries, such as AA's. They are rare,
and have extremely long shelf life, but I have never seen specs
for discharge rate, etc.

Eveready sells litium 1.5V AAs. They're most-commonly available in camera
stores. They have two or three times the capacity of your ordinary alkaline,
I believe, particularly in high-drain applications.

On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:20:41 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote:

There are 1.5 volt lithium batteries, such as AA's. They are rare,
and have extremely long shelf life, but I have never seen specs
for discharge rate, etc.

Eveready sells litium 1.5V AAs. They're most-commonly available in camera
stores. They have two or three times the capacity of your ordinary alkaline,
I believe, particularly in high-drain applications.

I've heard SIX times.

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