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Defective Bulb Tripping Ckt Breaker: How Possible ?
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Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob |
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Robert11 wrote:
Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. This often happens. It's because when the filament breaks, it falls across part of the wire nearer the mounting points, thus horting them out. That's why there's a bright flash, and the fuse/breaker goes because of the increased current through the much lower than normal resistance. -- rgds LAurence ...."I forgot to increment the counter" said Tom, nonplussed ---*TagZilla 0.059* http://tagzilla.mozdev.org |
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. .. Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob I'm only going by memory and may have it a bit wrong. A tiny part of the filament wears to the point it creates a hot-spot which rapidly gets worse causing the first part of the intense flare. In that super-heated process a plasma state is formed within the bulb. In a plasma state the effective conductivity across the 2 filament suspension end points becomes orders of magnitude less than the original filament resistance so for very short duration , can pass tens or hundreds of amps. It is the same mechanism whereby a lightning discharge through air can pass millions of amps through a channel that is only about 1/2 inch in diameter which no metal could pass. The same discharge passing into the right soil/ conditions leaves a yards long but same 1/2 inch wide hollow tube punched through the ground, see keyword fulgurite. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ |
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N Cook wrote:
Robert11 wrote in message . .. Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob I'm only going by memory and may have it a bit wrong. A tiny part of the filament wears to the point it creates a hot-spot which rapidly gets worse causing the first part of the intense flare. In that super-heated process a plasma state is formed within the bulb. In a plasma state the effective conductivity across the 2 filament suspension end points becomes orders of magnitude less than the original filament resistance so for very short duration , can pass tens or hundreds of amps. It is the same mechanism whereby a lightning discharge through air can pass millions of amps through a channel that is only about 1/2 inch in diameter which no metal could pass. The same discharge passing into the right soil/ conditions leaves a yards long but same 1/2 inch wide hollow tube punched through the ground, see keyword fulgurite. -- Diverse Devices, Southampton, England electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on http://home.graffiti.net/diverse:graffiti.net/ This all sounds nice BUT the two strands of the broken filament limits the current to ~ current to less than 1 Amp. ! More likely the Light-bulb in question was mounted Socket-Down and a portion of the broken filament dropped down and shorted across base conductors. The short length of filament's Resistance would be much less than the nominal ~ 200 ohms of the intact filament. The resulting arc would vaporize in the Argon Gas of the light-bulb and create a miniature MIG (Metal Inert Gas)Welding condition at which time, the Circuit Breaker would Open due to the excessive current draw. A photographic Flash-bulb would be a good analogue. Source Impedance and Current Limiting of Household wiring were engineered to safely harness electrical energy! Yukio YANO |
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Yukio YANO writes:
N Cook wrote: Robert11 wrote in message . .. Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, I'm only going by memory and may have it a bit wrong. A tiny part of the filament wears to the point it creates a hot-spot which rapidly gets worse causing the first part of the intense flare. In that super-heated process a plasma state is formed within the bulb. In a plasma state the effective conductivity across the 2 filament suspension end points becomes orders of magnitude less than the original filament resistance so for very short duration , can pass tens or hundreds of amps. It is the same mechanism whereby a lightning discharge through air can pass millions of amps through a channel that is only about 1/2 inch in diameter which no metal could pass. The same discharge passing into the right soil/ conditions leaves a yards long but same 1/2 inch wide hollow tube punched through the ground, see keyword fulgurite. Nope, he's got it right. Once the arc forms, it may not stay between the broken ends. Because the arc is a negative resistance, increasing the current lowers its resistance. So, it can grow towards the ends of the filament in an instant and then it's nearly a short circuit. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. |
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"N Cook" writes:
Robert11 wrote in message . .. Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? I'm only going by memory and may have it a bit wrong. A tiny part of the filament wears to the point it creates a hot-spot which rapidly gets worse causing the first part of the intense flare. In that super-heated process a plasma state is formed within the bulb. In a plasma state the effective conductivity across the 2 filament suspension end points becomes orders of magnitude less than the original filament resistance so for very short duration , can pass tens or hundreds of amps. It is the same mechanism whereby a lightning discharge through air can pass millions of amps through a channel that is only about 1/2 inch in diameter which no metal could pass. The same discharge passing into the right soil/ conditions leaves a yards long but same 1/2 inch wide hollow tube punched through the ground, see keyword fulgurite. You've got it about right. And in response to the other post, it's rarely a matter of the filament falling across the terminals. http://members.misty.com/don/bulb1.html#wbs --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. |
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"Robert11" wrote in message . .. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Sure. There should be a fuse in one of the leads inside the bulb, but China ??? |
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Robert11 wrote: Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker? Have you recently changed from fuses to circuit breakers? A bulb blowing and tripping one isn't uncommon. -- *A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Robert11 wrote:
Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob G'Day This has happened to me. The bulb was a "Reflector Lamp Type R80" with an Edison Screw Base". It was used in a "down light" and they have a very short life (6 months or so). In the process of removing it the brass base and the glass globe separated and I had to get the base out of the socket (with power turned off of course.) with a pair of pliers. Recently purchased a couple of bulbs from China and on the side of the box it says:- For your added safety every globe has 2 built-in safety fuses. Seems like the some manufacturers are aware of this problem Lionel L Sharp |
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Robert11 wrote:
Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob This is common, the filament breaks and an arc strikes in the fill gas between the ends, this quickly vaporizes what remains of the filament and will sometimes melt a good portion of the filament support wires before the fuse in the stem blows. If the fuse is poor quality or not present (as may be the case in a cheap import bulb) it can easily trip the circuit breaker. This arcing is what kills most dimmer switches and touch lamps, the triac is destroyed before the fuse can react. This is one more thing I like about compact fluorescents, when they fail they don't blow with a bright flash and a pop which is always a startling experience when you flip on the only light in a dark room. |
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James Sweet wrote: This is one more thing I like about compact fluorescents, when they fail they don't blow with a bright flash and a pop which is always a startling experience when you flip on the only light in a dark room. Right, they blow with a considerable BANG and a bad smell. The CFL in my wife's bedside lamp did that. Of course I had to open it up and see what happened. The first capacitor of the voltage-doubler ( a tiny 10uf cap ) had popped. Really popped. It spread black goo all over the insides of the thing. |
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Ancient_Hacker wrote:
James Sweet wrote: This is one more thing I like about compact fluorescents, when they fail they don't blow with a bright flash and a pop which is always a startling experience when you flip on the only light in a dark room. Right, they blow with a considerable BANG and a bad smell. The CFL in my wife's bedside lamp did that. Of course I had to open it up and see what happened. The first capacitor of the voltage-doubler ( a tiny 10uf cap ) had popped. Really popped. It spread black goo all over the insides of the thing. Interesting, well I suppose it could happen, in 8 years of using them almost exclusively mine so far have all just failed to turn on, save for one that made a soft buzzing noise and let out a puff of stinky smoke. |
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James Sweet writes:
Robert11 wrote: Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob This is common, the filament breaks and an arc strikes in the fill gas between the ends, this quickly vaporizes what remains of the filament and will sometimes melt a good portion of the filament support wires before the fuse in the stem blows. If the fuse is poor quality or not present (as may be the case in a cheap import bulb) it can easily trip the circuit breaker. This arcing is what kills most dimmer switches and touch lamps, the triac is destroyed before the fuse can react. This is one more thing I like about compact fluorescents, when they fail they don't blow with a bright flash and a pop which is always a startling experience when you flip on the only light in a dark room. But they may blow with a puff of smoke and a acrid smell.... --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. |
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Robert11 wrote: Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Plasma, most likely, from the internal arc. Light bulbs are filled with argon gas which can conduct quite nicely once started. Or the floppy wire ends had enough magnetic attraction to attract each other, which makes the field stronger, attracting each other some more... |
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Defective Bulb Tripping Ckt Breaker: How Possible ?
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 10:26:32 -0500, "Robert11"
wrote: Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob Happens more than a lot - depending on the circuit breaker. Magnetic beakers trip faster than thermal ones. Filament opens - the tungsten is in a partial pressure of nitrogen as a rule - not a vacuum just inert gas at low pressure. The filament separates and sparks an arc in the bulb. The ionized gas is a dead short. Low pressure gas conducts electricity better than high pressure gas - until you start approaching a total vacuum. Ionization gauges are used to monitor vacuum pressures in lab instruments - put 200+ volts on it and it conducts until you get to near perfect vacuum. That failure will trip a magnetic breaker and not phase a totally thermal breaker - event is over before the breaker heats. Solid state relays are toast - if they drive an incandescent lamp that opens. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Robert11 wrote:
Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob The filament in the bulb vaporises at the point where it breaks, and produces a nice hot plasma and a dead short across the input. If you want to see such a plasma cloud, put a defunct bulb in the microwave oven(for a few seconds only). That in turn can vaporize the connections to the base of the bulb. I have had lamps producing a pop sound close to an explosion that way, and sparks flying. On checking, the base of the lamp was looking burned around the attachment point of one of the wires. It works much better with 240 Volts |
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Robert11 wrote: Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Yup. If there's an arc, which it sounds like, that has negative resistance and the fault current can be very high. Graham |
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Robert11 wrote: Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob How old is the electrical system in the house? In most places of the U.S. AFCIs have been the standard since 2002. They were available for several years before 2002 and may actually be what is installed in your house's breaker box. AFCI arc fault circuit interupt type of circuit breaker. Detects the arc condition and trips. As others have already stated, the arc in the bulb could draw enough current to trip most circuit breakers. Is fairly common in my experience as at least once every couple of years I have bulb "blow" and trip the breaker. Usually though it is one of the three way bulbs. |
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" wrote: Robert11 wrote: Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob How old is the electrical system in the house? In most places of the U.S. AFCIs have been the standard since 2002. They were available for several years before 2002 and may actually be what is installed in your house's breaker box. AFCI arc fault circuit interupt type of circuit breaker. Detects the arc condition and trips. As others have already stated, the arc in the bulb could draw enough current to trip most circuit breakers. Is fairly common in my experience as at least once every couple of years I have bulb "blow" and trip the breaker. Usually though it is one of the three way bulbs. What's a '3-way bulb' ? Graham |
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Eeyore wrote:
" wrote: Robert11 wrote: Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob How old is the electrical system in the house? In most places of the U.S. AFCIs have been the standard since 2002. They were available for several years before 2002 and may actually be what is installed in your house's breaker box. AFCI arc fault circuit interupt type of circuit breaker. Detects the arc condition and trips. As others have already stated, the arc in the bulb could draw enough current to trip most circuit breakers. Is fairly common in my experience as at least once every couple of years I have bulb "blow" and trip the breaker. Usually though it is one of the three way bulbs. What's a '3-way bulb' ? Graham Multiple light wattage settings dependant on the switch setting of the lamp itself. IIRC contains 2 filaments as in 60W, 100W or 160W total combined with both switched on. YBMV (your bulb may vary) Steve |
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Defective Bulb Tripping Ckt Breaker: How Possible ?
Stephen Tomchuk wrote: Eeyore wrote: " wrote: Robert11 wrote: Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Replaced the bulb with a GE one, and so far everything seems O.K. Question: I can't imagine how anything, like e.g., a broken filament perhaps, can short out the circuit. But, perhaps ? Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? Or, might this be just a coincidence ? Thanks, Bob How old is the electrical system in the house? In most places of the U.S. AFCIs have been the standard since 2002. They were available for several years before 2002 and may actually be what is installed in your house's breaker box. AFCI arc fault circuit interupt type of circuit breaker. Detects the arc condition and trips. As others have already stated, the arc in the bulb could draw enough current to trip most circuit breakers. Is fairly common in my experience as at least once every couple of years I have bulb "blow" and trip the breaker. Usually though it is one of the three way bulbs. What's a '3-way bulb' ? Graham Multiple light wattage settings dependant on the switch setting of the lamp itself. IIRC contains 2 filaments as in 60W, 100W or 160W total combined with both switched on. YBMV (your bulb may vary) Steve I see. I've never come across such a thing though. Graham |
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What's a '3-way bulb' ? Graham Very common in North America but apparently not sold elsewhere. It's a single bulb with dual filaments, the most common being 50W and 100W, so the bulb is 50-100-150W. The base is a standard edison screw base with an extra contact ring and the socket has a rotary switch on it with 4 positions. Probably 90% of incandescent lamps come with these sockets, though very often they get standard bulbs inserted in them. The expensive 3 way bulbs are not very practical, the low wattage filament almost always fails long before the high wattage one does, and with triac dimmers as cheap as they are, I'm not sure why anyone even makes the sockets anymore. A lot of old 1920s-30s floor lamps used a mogul base version which is commonly 100-200-300W, these bulbs are still available but I don't think anyone makes the sockets. |
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"Eeyore" wrote in message ... What's a '3-way bulb' ? Sounds perverted doesn''t it? Predates residential lamp dimmers. They have a screw base with a shell contact and two other concentric contacts. 3 way light bulbs work like this: 1st click - The smaller filament is turned on alone creating the lower light level. 2nd click - The larger filament is turned on alone (and the smaller off) creating the higher light level. 3rd click - Both filaments are turned on creating the highest light level. 3 way light bulbs burn out faster because: Alternating cooling/heating of the two metal filaments shortens their lifespan. |
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"Homer J Simpson" writes:
"Eeyore" wrote in message ... What's a '3-way bulb' ? Sounds perverted doesn''t it? Predates residential lamp dimmers. They have a screw base with a shell contact and two other concentric contacts. 3 way light bulbs work like this: 1st click - The smaller filament is turned on alone creating the lower light level. 2nd click - The larger filament is turned on alone (and the smaller off) creating the higher light level. 3rd click - Both filaments are turned on creating the highest light level. 3 way light bulbs burn out faster because: Alternating cooling/heating of the two metal filaments shortens their lifespan. Rather doubt this. And, the filament that burns out is usually the one cycled *less* (the high wattage one). Why? Because it is run for a longer time over the useful life of the lamp. --- sam | Sci.Electronics.Repair FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/ Repair | Main Table of Contents: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/ +Lasers | Sam's Laser FAQ: http://www.repairfaq.org/sam/lasersam.htm | Mirror Sites: http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_mirror.html Important: Anything sent to the email address in the message header above is ignored unless my full name AND either lasers or electronics is included in the subject line. Or, you can contact me via the Feedback Form in the FAQs. |
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"Sam Goldwasser" wrote in message ... 3 way light bulbs burn out faster because: Alternating cooling/heating of the two metal filaments shortens their lifespan. Rather doubt this. And, the filament that burns out is usually the one cycled *less* (the high wattage one). Why? Because it is run for a longer time over the useful life of the lamp. In every hotel I have ever been in the 3 way lamps are always burnt out on one filament. Always. -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++ + Required crap appended to avoid restrictions imposed by brain + + damaged idiots. + + Server Response: '441 Posting Failed (Rejected by POST filter)', + + Port: 119, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 441, + + Error Number: 0x800CCCA9 + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++ |
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Defective Bulb Tripping Ckt Breaker: How Possible ?
Sam Goldwasser wrote:
"Homer J Simpson" writes: "Eeyore" wrote in message ... What's a '3-way bulb' ? Sounds perverted doesn''t it? Predates residential lamp dimmers. They have a screw base with a shell contact and two other concentric contacts. 3 way light bulbs work like this: 1st click - The smaller filament is turned on alone creating the lower light level. 2nd click - The larger filament is turned on alone (and the smaller off) creating the higher light level. 3rd click - Both filaments are turned on creating the highest light level. 3 way light bulbs burn out faster because: Alternating cooling/heating of the two metal filaments shortens their lifespan. Rather doubt this. And, the filament that burns out is usually the one cycled *less* (the high wattage one). Why? Because it is run for a longer time over the useful life of the lamp. For me it was always the lower filament, I figured it was because it was mostly used on either low or high and less often in the middle, in both cases that puts more hours on the lower wattage one. |
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Defective Bulb Tripping Ckt Breaker: How Possible ?
"Robert11" wrote in
: Hi, Boy, this is a funny one. Wife turned on a hall light switch last night, big flash by one of the hall lights, and the ckt breaker tripped. Was about 2 days since putting in a new bulb there. Was the el-cheapo brand picked up at CVS, and made in China. Can anyone think of a bulb failure mechanism that might trip the breaker ? How about if you break open the dead bulb, and tell us what what you see inside? A careful description will provide the clues to diagnose the problem. |
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