this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

Goldenshuttle wrote:
this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

Guess it depends where they keep that info. I'd guess in the car's
computer.

Easiest way: two years before you want to sell the car, Drive the car
to the dealer, then when nobody's watching, apply the HV power supply
from your underdash neons to the computer for a second. Now tell them
to replace the computer under warranty.

A little harder: go to a junkyard, find a Lexus with low mileage, buy
the computer.

A little harder yet: Buy the service manual for the car computer, see
if there's a setup option for setting the mileage.

A little harder yet: Open up the computer, disassemble the rom to
find out where they keep the mileage.

I like Ur answer Dude.....It shows some guts...hey mew mew...grow up
Ancient_Hacker أرسلت:
Goldenshuttle wrote:
this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

Guess it depends where they keep that info. I'd guess in the car's
computer.

Easiest way: two years before you want to sell the car, Drive the car
to the dealer, then when nobody's watching, apply the HV power supply
from your underdash neons to the computer for a second. Now tell them
to replace the computer under warranty.

A little harder: go to a junkyard, find a Lexus with low mileage, buy
the computer.

A little harder yet: Buy the service manual for the car computer, see
if there's a setup option for setting the mileage.

A little harder yet: Open up the computer, disassemble the rom to
find out where they keep the mileage.

Goldenshuttle wrote:

I like Ur answer Dude.....It shows some guts...hey mew mew...grow up
Ancient_Hacker أرسلت:
Goldenshuttle wrote:
this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

Guess it depends where they keep that info. I'd guess in the car's
computer.

Easiest way: two years before you want to sell the car, Drive the car
to the dealer, then when nobody's watching, apply the HV power supply
from your underdash neons to the computer for a second. Now tell them
to replace the computer under warranty.

A little harder: go to a junkyard, find a Lexus with low mileage, buy
the computer.

A little harder yet: Buy the service manual for the car computer, see
if there's a setup option for setting the mileage.

A little harder yet: Open up the computer, disassemble the rom to
find out where they keep the mileage.

or they just buy the setup on ebay:
item # 130031160644 for example.

When buying a car, I normally look at the gear stick, steering wheel and
pedals, if they are all brand new I am suspicious, but otherwise, the signs
of wear are a kind of odometer.

Chris

Chris Jones wrote:
Goldenshuttle wrote:

I like Ur answer Dude.....It shows some guts...hey mew mew...grow up
Ancient_Hacker أرسلت:
Goldenshuttle wrote:
this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???
Guess it depends where they keep that info. I'd guess in the car's
computer.

Easiest way: two years before you want to sell the car, Drive the car
to the dealer, then when nobody's watching, apply the HV power supply
from your underdash neons to the computer for a second. Now tell them
to replace the computer under warranty.

A little harder: go to a junkyard, find a Lexus with low mileage, buy
the computer.

A little harder yet: Buy the service manual for the car computer, see
if there's a setup option for setting the mileage.

A little harder yet: Open up the computer, disassemble the rom to
find out where they keep the mileage.

or they just buy the setup on ebay:
item # 130031160644 for example.

When buying a car, I normally look at the gear stick, steering wheel and
pedals, if they are all brand new I am suspicious, but otherwise, the signs
of wear are a kind of odometer.

Hi...

Also the ashtray, wear around the radio controls, glove box release,
driver's side carpeting... there's lots

Take care.

Ken

"Chris Jones" wrote in message
...

When buying a car, I normally look at the gear stick, steering wheel and
pedals, if they are all brand new I am suspicious, but otherwise, the
signs
of wear are a kind of odometer.

Better to pay the $100 and get a good mechanic to check it for you.

Homer J Simpson wrote:


"Chris Jones" wrote in message
...

When buying a car, I normally look at the gear stick, steering wheel and
pedals, if they are all brand new I am suspicious, but otherwise, the
signs
of wear are a kind of odometer.

Better to pay the $100 and get a good mechanic to check it for you.

I do that too, after I find a car that looks like it's probably ok. Finding
a good mechanic isn't always easy.

Chris

"Goldenshuttle" wrote in message
ups.com...

A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

Use an oscillator to roll it over?

Goldenshuttle wrote:

this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

If youre looking for me/us to tell you how to fiddle odometers youre
out of luck.

NT

Goldenshuttle wrote:

this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

With the right 'diagostic tool' you can manipulate most of the info held in
the computer.

Graham

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...

With the right 'diagostic tool' you can manipulate most of the info held
in
the computer.

Diebold has proven that!

In article . com,
Goldenshuttle wrote:
this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

You don't have to look to far to find 'specialists' who can reset these
electronic devices. Any safeguards the factory builds in can soon be
overcome with the knowledge and determination.

I'm constantly amazed you guys in the US don't set any store on the
service history of a car. I keep all the receipts for work done on my car
- I have to for my accountant. But stick them all in a folder after he's
finished with them. The service book is kept too and the dealer stamps it
and records the mileage. In the UK once a car is over 3 years old, it has
an annual MOT - and the milage is recorded then. So keeping those is yet
another check on the mileage. With computerised records it's also possible
to get the history of the car from a dealer - if it's been serviced there.
Of course all these *could* be forged, but the effort wouldn't be worth it.

--
*Rehab is for quitters.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Goldenshuttle wrote:

this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

congrats to everyone who helped another criminal clock cars.


NT

wrote:
Goldenshuttle wrote:
congrats to everyone who helped another criminal clock cars.


You're suggesting the average crook isnt smart enough to think of going
to a junkyard, or ebay searching for "Lexus speedometer", or googling
for "Speedometer Repair", or finding a hacker.

I think you owe the crook community an apology

wrote in message
ups.com...

congrats to everyone who helped another criminal clock cars.

Like they don't already know how?

wrote in news:1160827689.269245.206860
@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

Goldenshuttle wrote:

this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

congrats to everyone who helped another criminal clock cars.


NT


Not to worry, I doubt the original poster can manage it even if you gave
step by step directions...

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Goldenshuttle wrote:

this question needs some strong electronics knowledge. Hope someone can
answer...
A guy bought a Toyota Lexus 300 , model 1995. The mileage reader is
digital, and showing that it moved only 55,000 miles. Later he found
out that the mileage was reduced, or reset to sell it at a good
price.....We know that these things happen, but how did they manipulate
a digital (not a mechanical) reader ???

WHat made you think its been changed? The sticker in door saying
oil was changed at 175,000 miles and its due back at 178,000?

When i worked at used car dealer back a few lifetimes ago, i watched
the "flipper" come in at night a turn a few clean cars into low mileage
cream puffs.

Bob

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Bob Urz wrote:

WHat made you think its been changed? The sticker in door saying
oil was changed at 175,000 miles and its due back at 178,000?

Those darn computers and databases are making flipping odometers kinda
pointless. Every time you take the car to an oil-change place or the
dealer they log the mileage into their computer. Worse yet are those
cars with looong warranty periods or free maintenance where the dealer
keeps track of the mileage. It looks mighty suspicious when a car has
racked up 28,000 miles a year for the first few years of the warranty,
then shows up for sale afterwards with much less than the expected
miles.

When i worked at used car dealer back a few lifetimes ago, i watched
the "flipper" come in at night a turn a few clean cars into low mileage
cream puffs.

Soon cars will have Internet connections and the flipper can sit at
home and turn back speedometers in his pyjamas.