I have a LCD monitor that has some ceramic caps that have become heat
sensitive but I can't tell what they are since they are SMD and have no
markings.. Does anyone have any idea how to find out what they are?

- Mike

"Michael Kennedy" wrote in message
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I have a LCD monitor that has some ceramic caps that have become heat
sensitive but I can't tell what they are since they are SMD and have no
markings.. Does anyone have any idea how to find out what they are?

- Mike


When there are no value markings, bout the only thing u can do is get a
schematic or find somebody who has one and is willing to share info.
Unfortunately, that isn't likely to yield the desired info. Most schematics
don't reveal values for components on items that are intended to be replaced
as an assembled unit (e.g., tv tuner modules.. and boards inside LCD
monitors). They may show a basic circuit or block diagram, but that's it.
The not-so-subtle hint from manufacturers is to buy the entire board or
module. They don't want their products repaired out of warranty; they want
to move new products. Don't expect that philosophy to change to the end
user's benefit anytime soon.

Too bad I don't have some of those cool tweezers that tell you the
capacatence of smd caps... I could heat the caps up and test them..

- Mike


"Ray L. Volts" wrote in message
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"Michael Kennedy" wrote in message
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I have a LCD monitor that has some ceramic caps that have become heat
sensitive but I can't tell what they are since they are SMD and have no
markings.. Does anyone have any idea how to find out what they are?

- Mike


When there are no value markings, bout the only thing u can do is get a
schematic or find somebody who has one and is willing to share info.
Unfortunately, that isn't likely to yield the desired info. Most
schematics don't reveal values for components on items that are intended
to be replaced as an assembled unit (e.g., tv tuner modules.. and boards
inside LCD monitors). They may show a basic circuit or block diagram, but
that's it. The not-so-subtle hint from manufacturers is to buy the entire
board or module. They don't want their products repaired out of warranty;
they want to move new products. Don't expect that philosophy to change to
the end user's benefit anytime soon.

Is there any good way at guessing what the cap might be by checking the esr
of nearby similar caps?

- Mike

"Ray L. Volts" wrote in message
news:27d8g.15787$W83.4928@trnddc07...

"Michael Kennedy" wrote in message
. ..
I have a LCD monitor that has some ceramic caps that have become heat
sensitive but I can't tell what they are since they are SMD and have no
markings.. Does anyone have any idea how to find out what they are?

- Mike


When there are no value markings, bout the only thing u can do is get a
schematic or find somebody who has one and is willing to share info.
Unfortunately, that isn't likely to yield the desired info. Most
schematics don't reveal values for components on items that are intended
to be replaced as an assembled unit (e.g., tv tuner modules.. and boards
inside LCD monitors). They may show a basic circuit or block diagram, but
that's it. The not-so-subtle hint from manufacturers is to buy the entire
board or module. They don't want their products repaired out of warranty;
they want to move new products. Don't expect that philosophy to change to
the end user's benefit anytime soon.

Michael Kennedy wrote:
Is there any good way at guessing what the cap might be by checking the esr
of nearby similar caps?

- Mike

May be way out, but if the caps are part of a identfiable circuit using
a particular IC chip, you may find the component values in the
application note 'example circuit' for that chip?

--
Adrian C

May be way out, but if the caps are part of a identfiable circuit using
a particular IC chip, you may find the component values in the application
note 'example circuit' for that chip?

--
Adrian C

I actually had that idea and posted above under "help guessing value of
ceramic cap".. The caps are directly connected to the GM1212 IC and I think
from the data sheet that they have to be between 2pf and 9pf..

- Mike

"Michael Kennedy" wrote in message
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Is there any good way at guessing what the cap might be by checking the
esr of nearby similar caps?

- Mike


As in Andy's post " SMD Cap problem", testing in-circuit isn't
necessarily as accurate or reliable as testing out-of-circuit.

Bad ESR isn't generally a big problem with ceramic caps, SMD or not. A good
ESR on a cap out-of-circuit doesn't mean the cap _value_ is correct, either,
and the value determines circuit behavior, especially important in tuned
circuits.

I'm afraid the only reliable way to test unmarked caps is to remove them
from the board and compare what your test equipment says to manufacturer
data (or a working unit's removed caps). You can often narrow down the
search for bad parts where there is no schematic available by comparing
voltage and resistance readings with those of a working unit.

I'm curious, these being such tiny components and often in close proximity
to other components, how exactly did u determine a particular cap or patch
of caps is thermally intermittent? Could it be that you've heated up (or
chilled) nearby parts as well and it's _those_ parts that caused the results
u attribute to the ceramic caps?

I'm curious, these being such tiny components and often in close proximity
to other components, how exactly did u determine a particular cap or patch
of caps is thermally intermittent? Could it be that you've heated up (or
chilled) nearby parts as well and it's _those_ parts that caused the
results u attribute to the ceramic caps?

Well to start with I thought it was just an electrlytic cap in that area
that had high esr. There was one that had very high esr. I replaced it and
all of the other electrolytics. It still didn't work unless heated in that
area so I used my soldering iorn to heat up different components until I
found that heating those caps made it work every time. I've got to do some
more exploring to find out exactly which ones must be heated for it to work
but I think it is the 2nd and 4th ones from the bottom of the picture.

- Mike