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The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
Most everyone has a screwdriver or two laying around the house, but not everyone has a minimum collection stored in a tool box. If you know a young person graduating from high school, a single relative, or even yourself, a tool box with a minimum complement of tools may be the perfect gift. Based on my own experience, the BASIC TOOL BOX should include: A plastic or metal box such as the 13² plastic box from Walmart or the 14² plastic box from Lowes. The box should have a secure latch that wonıt come open when picked up. #1 Philips screwdriver #2 Philips screwdriver 1/8² Flat blade screwdriver 1/4² Flat blade screwdriver Standard pair of slip-joint pliers with insulated handle Diagonal cutters with insulated handle Long nose pliers with side cutter and insulated handle Small claw hammer such as Sears 3805 - 7 oz. Depending on your knowledge of the individualıs needs and the size of the box, additional items might include: Full-size hammer Crowbar or pry-lever Flashlight Tire pressure gauge(s) Pocket knife & sharpening stone Soldering iron & solder & soldering braid Digital multimeter Set of nut drivers Set of Allen wrenches Set of Torx drivers You get the idea! 73, Fred, K4DII |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
Based on my own experience, the BASIC TOOL BOX should include:
A plastic or metal box such as the 13² plastic box from Walmart or the 14² plastic box from Lowes. The box should have a secure latch that wonıt come open when picked up. #1 Philips screwdriver #2 Philips screwdriver 1/8² Flat blade screwdriver 1/4² Flat blade screwdriver ================================== What about Posidrive screwdrivers ? These are similar to Philips type of screwdrivers but have additional 'notches' (if that is the correct word) for better grip . The relevant screw heads are accordingly. Frank , GM0CSZ / KN6WH PS Most screws used in the UK are now of the Posidrive type. |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
Fred McKenzie wrote:
Most everyone has a screwdriver or two laying around the house, but not everyone has a minimum collection stored in a tool box. If you know a young person graduating from high school, a single relative, or even yourself, a tool box with a minimum complement of tools may be the perfect gift. Based on my own experience, the BASIC TOOL BOX should include: A plastic or metal box such as the 13² plastic box from Walmart or the 14² plastic box from Lowes. The box should have a secure latch that wonıt come open when picked up. #1 Philips screwdriver #2 Philips screwdriver 1/8² Flat blade screwdriver 1/4² Flat blade screwdriver Standard pair of slip-joint pliers with insulated handle Diagonal cutters with insulated handle Long nose pliers with side cutter and insulated handle Small claw hammer such as Sears 3805 - 7 oz. Depending on your knowledge of the individualıs needs and the size of the box, additional items might include: Full-size hammer Crowbar or pry-lever Flashlight Tire pressure gauge(s) Pocket knife & sharpening stone Soldering iron & solder & soldering braid Digital multimeter Set of nut drivers Set of Allen wrenches Set of Torx drivers You get the idea! 73, Fred, K4DII Dunno why it didn't occur to me...thankfully it 'did' occur to my wife: Bought almost the exact (above) setup for my prospective son-in-law for Christmas. He's mechanically dis-inclined. We're gonna fix that. Can't have a s-in-l who can't fix stuff.... jak |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
And... You plan to work on SMD circuit boards with this!!!
Jerry G. ====== |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
And... You plan to work on SMD circuit boards with this!!!
Jerry G. ====== |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
In article , Highland Ham
wrote: What about Posidrive screwdrivers ? These are similar to Philips type of screwdrivers but have additional 'notches' (if that is the correct word) for better grip . The relevant screw heads are accordingly. Frank- I've heard of Posidrive. I think they are used in an old Hewlett Packard counter I have. However, the tool dealers I asked had never heard of them. I ended up using a common Phillips driver for my counter. Certainly Posidrive would be a better choice where they are more commonly used. Fred |
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"Jerry G." wrote:
And... You plan to work on SMD circuit boards with this!!! Jerry G. ====== I see that you still have reading comprehension problems, Jerry. Anyway, no one in their right mind would try to cram a good SMD rework station into any toobox. There is no way I would let anyone shove a stereo microscope into a toolbox. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
Fred McKenzie wrote:
I've heard of Posidrive. I think they are used in an old Hewlett Packard counter I have. However, the tool dealers I asked had never heard of them. I ended up using a common Phillips driver for my counter. Certainly Posidrive would be a better choice where they are more commonly used. I'd consider looking for some other tool dealers to do business with. Pozidriv (a registered trademark of Phillips Screw Co.) screws and drivers are very common, sold by just about every tool company from Snap-on through Stanley to Sears. Tektronix used Pozidriv screws exclusively for many years, until they converted over to Torx. A standard Phillips bit fits poorly in a Pozidriv screw, making it really easy to chew up the screw with this combination. Any decent toolbox should include some Pozidriv drivers or bits. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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Mr Fed UP wrote:
Heh heh dont forget the asprin and $50 for the headache and one tool you'll always have to go get for each job. And a 6" or 8" knuckle buistin adjustable wrench. LOL Don't forget a 4" pipe wrench for those tight spots! It has been a real life saver to remove broken studs and broken pieces of bolts. I have one made by Rigid. BTW, you won't bust your knuckles if you buy a real wrench. 8" is too short to get a good grip on things. I have a 12" and a 14" "New Britain" adjustable, along with a 4" Xcelite in my electronics tools. The only tools I usually have to buy these days are new ones to replace what walks away. :( -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On 2006-04-17, Fred McKenzie wrote:
A plastic or metal box such as the 13² plastic box from Walmart or the 14² plastic box from Lowes. The box should have a secure latch that wonıt come open when picked up. snip a bunch of good stuff 6" and 12" adjustable wench 12' tape measure (25' would be better) mechanical pencil, extra leads and a small notepad |
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On 2006-04-18, Silfax wrote:
6" and 12" adjustable wench oops I meant wrench, although a flexible wench might not be a bad idea either (but she should be bigger than 12 inches....) |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Mr Fed UP wrote: Heh heh dont forget the asprin and $50 for the headache and one tool you'll always have to go get for each job. And a 6" or 8" knuckle buistin adjustable wrench. LOL Don't forget a 4" pipe wrench for those tight spots! It has been a real life saver to remove broken studs and broken pieces of bolts. I have one made by Rigid. BTW, you won't bust your knuckles if you buy a real wrench. 8" is too short to get a good grip on things. I have a 12" and a 14" "New Britain" adjustable, along with a 4" Xcelite in my electronics tools. A common problem is to turn the adjustable wrench around the *wrong way*! I've had people argue that there is no wrong orientation for the common 'C' (Crescent) wrench, but there most certainly is. Do it wrong and you'll be fine 75% of the time; but that one time when you need it to really bite--and you do it wrong--*you* are the one who gets bitten. The only tools I usually have to buy these days are new ones to replace what walks away. :( Boy Howdy! I recently moved my office/shop and salvaged the buildings on the property at the same time. I'm still trying to find all my tools.... jak |
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Roy,
"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message ... Tektronix used Pozidriv screws exclusively for many years, until they converted over to Torx. A standard Phillips bit fits poorly in a Pozidriv screw, making it really easy to chew up the screw with this combination. How well does it work the other way around -- using Pozidriv screwdrivers on "regular old" Phillips-head screws? |
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jakdedert wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote: Mr Fed UP wrote: Heh heh dont forget the asprin and $50 for the headache and one tool you'll always have to go get for each job. And a 6" or 8" knuckle buistin adjustable wrench. LOL Don't forget a 4" pipe wrench for those tight spots! It has been a real life saver to remove broken studs and broken pieces of bolts. I have one made by Rigid. BTW, you won't bust your knuckles if you buy a real wrench. 8" is too short to get a good grip on things. I have a 12" and a 14" "New Britain" adjustable, along with a 4" Xcelite in my electronics tools. A common problem is to turn the adjustable wrench around the *wrong way*! I've had people argue that there is no wrong orientation for the common 'C' (Crescent) wrench, but there most certainly is. Do it wrong and you'll be fine 75% of the time; but that one time when you need it to really bite--and you do it wrong--*you* are the one who gets bitten. Yes, most people seem to use it backwards where the stress is against the front of the movable jaw, rather than the back where its supposed to be. It doesn't matter if the item is fairly loose, but when you really need the torque, it needs to be turned the right way. Maybe they need to cast notches for your fingers to show people the right way to use it! ;-) The only tools I usually have to buy these days are new ones to replace what walks away. :( Boy Howdy! I recently moved my office/shop and salvaged the buildings on the property at the same time. I'm still trying to find all my tools.... jak I'm trying to but my shop back together. I haven't really worked in the shop since the middle of 2001, right before I got sick and lost my job. Now, its been five years and two years of hurricanes that made the mess even worse. Some squirrels nested in the building and chewed the cords off of everything in sight. I had to put rat poison in there to kill them all. I'm missing two cordless drills, two surface grinders and enough hand tools to fill a couple large toolboxes. Since I no longer do any work away from home I have started hanging what is left on pegboard over the different workbenches. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
Roy Lewallen wrote: Tektronix used Pozidriv screws exclusively for many years, until they converted over to Torx. A standard Phillips bit fits poorly in a Pozidriv screw, making it really easy to chew up the screw with this combination. Any decent toolbox should include some Pozidriv drivers or bits. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** The flutes on a Phillips bit are tapered; on a Pozidrive they are parallel. In many cases you can use either bit on the other, but if available, use the correct one. A Phillips bit can "lever" itself out due to the taper, where a Pozidrive will not. Bill, W6WRT ex Tektronix employee |
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Joel Kolstad wrote:
Roy, "Roy Lewallen" wrote in message ... Tektronix used Pozidriv screws exclusively for many years, until they converted over to Torx. A standard Phillips bit fits poorly in a Pozidriv screw, making it really easy to chew up the screw with this combination. How well does it work the other way around -- using Pozidriv screwdrivers on "regular old" Phillips-head screws? In my experience, it works better than using a Phillips driver on a Pozidriv screw. But it still doesn't fit really well. Roy Lewallen |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
In article , Roy Lewallen
wrote: I'd consider looking for some other tool dealers to do business with. Pozidriv (a registered trademark of Phillips Screw Co.) screws and drivers are very common, sold by just about every tool company from Snap-on through Stanley to Sears. OK Guys! I've done some more checking, and still can't find a store that sells Posidrive or Pozidrive. I have one lead to a specialty tool store across the state, but the local Ace, Sears and Lowes don't carry either the screws or the drivers. I can see where the Posidrive may be used in some electronic equipment, but all of the screws in the hinges in my house, as well as the screws holding the locks on the doors, are definitely Phillips. Are Posidrive screws used for those applications in other countries? I can see now that my original list should have stopped without the additional items. The purpose was to define a really BASIC set of tools for use around the home! Fred |
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In article ,
Fred McKenzie wrote: OK Guys! I've done some more checking, and still can't find a store that sells Posidrive or Pozidrive. I have one lead to a specialty tool store across the state, but the local Ace, Sears and Lowes don't carry either the screws or the drivers. I haven't seen complete Pozidrive drivers anywhere around here, but Orchard Supply (local hardware outlet) has Pozidrive bits in several sizes, which will go into the usual magnetic-hex-socket driver handles. In fact, just yesterday I glanced over their $2.99 "17 bits in a small carrying case" assortment by the cash register, and found that it contains 3 Phillips and 3 similarly-sized Pozidrive bits. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
The Perfect Gift: A Tool Box
I've kept a long, slim, scalpel (+ pack of spare blades) in my toolbox
for over 40yrs, wouldn't be without them. Can be used for cutting, poking, as an improvised instrument probe and (if push comes to shove) the final solution to that b****r of a problem ........ provided you fit a new blade first !! |
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I can see where the Posidrive may be used in some electronic equipment,
but all of the screws in the hinges in my house, as well as the screws holding the locks on the doors, are definitely Phillips. Are Posidrive screws used for those applications in other countries? ============================== Most wood screws in (at least)western Europe are now posidrive ,because the grip is so much better ,which is necessary due to the frequent use of electric screwdrivers. A tool company Draper are selling chromium-vanadium steel screwdrivers in sets with coloured plastic grips (in the UK) A set comprises 3x3 ,total of 9 screwdrivers Flat blade : Red grip Phillips : Blue grip (or is it Philips?) Posidrive : Green grip Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH |
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dick on the langwang wrote:
I've kept a long, slim, scalpel (+ pack of spare blades) in my toolbox for over 40yrs, wouldn't be without them. Can be used for cutting, poking, as an improvised instrument probe and (if push comes to shove) the final solution to that b****r of a problem ........ provided you fit a new blade first !! =========================== Talking tools , I consider different dental 'poking'utensils and twizzers essential for dealing with circuit boards ,especially in the homebrewing arena. I use these frequently. Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH |
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Highland Ham wrote:
dick on the langwang wrote: I've kept a long, slim, scalpel (+ pack of spare blades) in my toolbox for over 40yrs, wouldn't be without them. Can be used for cutting, poking, as an improvised instrument probe and (if push comes to shove) the final solution to that b****r of a problem ........ provided you fit a new blade first !! =========================== Talking tools , I consider different dental 'poking'utensils and twizzers essential for dealing with circuit boards ,especially in the homebrewing arena. I use these frequently. Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH ....and on medical instruments: a pair or two (or three) of locking medical forceps are indispensable...rubber gloves are handy...syringes are good for dispensing various compounds, especially glue. |
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dick on the langwang wrote:
I've kept a long, slim, scalpel (+ pack of spare blades) in my toolbox for over 40yrs, wouldn't be without them. Can be used for cutting, poking, as an improvised instrument probe and (if push comes to shove) the final solution to that b****r of a problem ........ provided you fit a new blade first !! You can buy an Exacto knife a lot easier, and there are a lot of different blades available. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Fred McKenzie" wrote in message ... In article , Highland Ham wrote: What about Posidrive screwdrivers ? These are similar to Philips type of screwdrivers but have additional 'notches' (if that is the correct word) for better grip . The relevant screw heads are accordingly. Frank- I've heard of Posidrive. I think they are used in an old Hewlett Packard counter I have. However, the tool dealers I asked had never heard of them. I ended up using a common Phillips driver for my counter. Certainly Posidrive would be a better choice where they are more commonly used. Fred In that vein, Canadians would have Robertson screwdrivers in their basic toolbox for home use. Described, with history, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver . Tom |
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Tom Holden wrote:
"Fred McKenzie" wrote in message ... In article , Highland Ham wrote: What about Posidrive screwdrivers ? These are similar to Philips type of screwdrivers but have additional 'notches' (if that is the correct word) for better grip . The relevant screw heads are accordingly. Frank- I've heard of Posidrive. I think they are used in an old Hewlett Packard counter I have. However, the tool dealers I asked had never heard of them. I ended up using a common Phillips driver for my counter. Certainly Posidrive would be a better choice where they are more commonly used. Fred In that vein, Canadians would have Robertson screwdrivers in their basic toolbox for home use. Described, with history, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver . Tom I despise Robertson screws, along with the "Clutch head" screws. Every time I run into either of them, someone has put them in with a worn bit that strips the head and makes them almost impossible to remove. I've used surface grinders, drills, and a cutting torch to remove them to make repairs. I generally replace them with hex head screws and make sure that I always inspect the bit before I start a job. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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ORIGINAL MESSAGE:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:39:30 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: I've used surface grinders, drills, and a cutting torch to remove them to make repairs. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Often a Dremel tool with a thin grinding wheel will allow you to make a slot and then use a regular screwdriver to remove it. Bill, W6WRT |
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I've never seen anything with a posidrive screw in it.. They aren't used
very much in the USA or at least in Florida... I have yet to need a posidrive screwdriver and I've taken all kinds of things apart in my life.. I consider a good set of torx and allen wrenches a necessity along with a set of sockets and wrenches and of course a small set of jewlers screwdrivers and mini torx bits, hammers, saws, etc... The funny thing is I never knew what that weird looking phillips bit I had was called until today. - Mike "Fred McKenzie" wrote in message ... In article , Roy Lewallen wrote: I'd consider looking for some other tool dealers to do business with. Pozidriv (a registered trademark of Phillips Screw Co.) screws and drivers are very common, sold by just about every tool company from Snap-on through Stanley to Sears. OK Guys! I've done some more checking, and still can't find a store that sells Posidrive or Pozidrive. I have one lead to a specialty tool store across the state, but the local Ace, Sears and Lowes don't carry either the screws or the drivers. I can see where the Posidrive may be used in some electronic equipment, but all of the screws in the hinges in my house, as well as the screws holding the locks on the doors, are definitely Phillips. Are Posidrive screws used for those applications in other countries? I can see now that my original list should have stopped without the additional items. The purpose was to define a really BASIC set of tools for use around the home! Fred |
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I hate those stupid robitson bits too... Like you said they always seem to
be stripped off... "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... Tom Holden wrote: "Fred McKenzie" wrote in message ... In article , Highland Ham wrote: What about Posidrive screwdrivers ? These are similar to Philips type of screwdrivers but have additional 'notches' (if that is the correct word) for better grip . The relevant screw heads are accordingly. Frank- I've heard of Posidrive. I think they are used in an old Hewlett Packard counter I have. However, the tool dealers I asked had never heard of them. I ended up using a common Phillips driver for my counter. Certainly Posidrive would be a better choice where they are more commonly used. Fred In that vein, Canadians would have Robertson screwdrivers in their basic toolbox for home use. Described, with history, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver . Tom I despise Robertson screws, along with the "Clutch head" screws. Every time I run into either of them, someone has put them in with a worn bit that strips the head and makes them almost impossible to remove. I've used surface grinders, drills, and a cutting torch to remove them to make repairs. I generally replace them with hex head screws and make sure that I always inspect the bit before I start a job. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 01:32:43 -0400, "Michael Kennedy" wrote: I've never seen anything with a posidrive screw in it.. They aren't used very much in the USA or at least in Florida... *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Tektronix used Pozidriv for many years in their scopes. Sometime after I left the company in 1986 I was told they changed to Torx. You can recognize a Pozidriv screw because it looks like a Phillips but has a fine line scribed between adjacent flutes. Bill, W6WRT |
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Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 04:39:30 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: I've used surface grinders, drills, and a cutting torch to remove them to make repairs. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** Often a Dremel tool with a thin grinding wheel will allow you to make a slot and then use a regular screwdriver to remove it. Bill, W6WRT Yes, sometimes, or even a fine toothed blade in a hacksaw, but not when you are standing on top of a ladder and struggling to reach the crappy hardware. The moron who built my four car garage used 4" or longer Robertson screws everywhere, and most of the heads were puled below the surface before the #2 bit slipped and chewed up the head. I broke two crowbars removing a dangerous hanging rack he's built to hold plywood above one of the bays. Both were flimsy, and they hung low enough that you could bump your head on exposed screw points sticking an inch though the bottom 2*4 beams. I had to remove and replace a lot of lumber that split because of the way he screwed things up. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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Michael Kennedy wrote:
I've never seen anything with a posidrive screw in it.. They aren't used very much in the USA or at least in Florida... I have yet to need a posidrive screwdriver and I've taken all kinds of things apart in my life.. I consider a good set of torx and allen wrenches a necessity along with a set of sockets and wrenches and of course a small set of jewlers screwdrivers and mini torx bits, hammers, saws, etc... The funny thing is I never knew what that weird looking phillips bit I had was called until today. Microdyne and Lockheed-Martin both use it, although Microdyne has moved out of the area. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
... I despise Robertson screws, along with the "Clutch head" screws. Every time I run into either of them, someone has put them in with a worn bit that strips the head and makes them almost impossible to remove. I've used surface grinders, drills, and a cutting torch to remove them to make repairs. I generally replace them with hex head screws and make sure that I always inspect the bit before I start a job. -- Misdirected feelings - should be towards worn bits of all types that can mess up all types of screws. Don't blame the screw for the fault of the bit and the recklessness of the user. Among the three common wood screws here (slot, Phillips and Robertson), I'll take the Robbie anyday. The ability of the bit to retain the screw is a big advantage. Tom |
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Tom Holden wrote:
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... I despise Robertson screws, along with the "Clutch head" screws. Every time I run into either of them, someone has put them in with a worn bit that strips the head and makes them almost impossible to remove. I've used surface grinders, drills, and a cutting torch to remove them to make repairs. I generally replace them with hex head screws and make sure that I always inspect the bit before I start a job. -- Misdirected feelings - should be towards worn bits of all types that can mess up all types of screws. Don't blame the screw for the fault of the bit and the recklessness of the user. Among the three common wood screws here (slot, Phillips and Robertson), I'll take the Robbie anyday. The ability of the bit to retain the screw is a big advantage. Tom You can have all of them. I'll keep using hex and torx head screws, thank you! ;-) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:38:10 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: You can have all of them. I'll keep using hex and torx head screws, thank you! ;-) *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** I kind of like the square drive myself. I wonder why it's not more popular? Is there an inherent deficiency I'm not aware of? Bill, W6WRT |
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"Bill Turner" wrote in message
... I kind of like the square drive myself. I wonder why it's not more popular? Is there an inherent deficiency I'm not aware of? The Robertson drive screws are ubiquitous in Canada where they were first made (in 1908) and patented. They are less so in the U.S. due to the fact that, after one business fiasco with licensing the right to manufacture to a third party in England, Robertson refused to license it to any one else, including Ford in the U.S. Ford would not adopt any screw for its production lines for which it could not guarantee unbroken availability, despite the fact that the screw proved to save considerable time in the production of cars. So, they never really caught on there like they did in Canada. |
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Greg Neill wrote:
The Robertson drive screws are ubiquitous in Canada where they were first made (in 1908) and patented. They are less so in the U.S. due to the fact that, after one business fiasco with licensing the right to manufacture to a third party in England, Robertson refused to license it to any one else, including Ford in the U.S. Ford would not adopt any screw for its production lines for which it could not guarantee unbroken availability, despite the fact that the screw proved to save considerable time in the production of cars. So, they never really caught on there like they did in Canada. They're catching on. I recently had my deck surface replaced, and nearly all the screws are square drive. (The remainder are Torx.) It's the first use I've seen of them here. They're readily available now at Home Depot and, I assume, other DIY stores. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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Roy Lewallen wrote:
Greg Neill wrote: The Robertson drive screws are ubiquitous in Canada where they were first made (in 1908) and patented. They are less so in the U.S. due to the fact that, after one business fiasco with licensing the right to manufacture to a third party in England, Robertson refused to license it to any one else, including Ford in the U.S. Ford would not adopt any screw for its production lines for which it could not guarantee unbroken availability, despite the fact that the screw proved to save considerable time in the production of cars. So, they never really caught on there like they did in Canada. They're catching on. I recently had my deck surface replaced, and nearly all the screws are square drive. (The remainder are Torx.) It's the first use I've seen of them here. They're readily available now at Home Depot and, I assume, other DIY stores. Roy Lewallen, W7EL They have been used in mobile homes for years in the US. I can buy them bulk at several local building surplus stores. There are several mobile home manufacturers in the area that dump a lot of leftover or damaged items. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:55:26 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: They have been used in mobile homes for years in the US. I can buy them bulk at several local building surplus stores. There are several mobile home manufacturers in the area that dump a lot of leftover or damaged items. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** I would think one advantage of square drive would be it is nearly impossible to strip the drive hole, unlike Phillips and especially hex (Allen). I think I'll scout around for some for my next building project in 6-32, 8-32 and 10-32. Who knows, might even try metric sizes. Bill, W6WRT |
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Bill Turner wrote:
ORIGINAL MESSAGE: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:55:26 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: They have been used in mobile homes for years in the US. I can buy them bulk at several local building surplus stores. There are several mobile home manufacturers in the area that dump a lot of leftover or damaged items. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** I would think one advantage of square drive would be it is nearly impossible to strip the drive hole, unlike Phillips and especially hex (Allen). I think I'll scout around for some for my next building project in 6-32, 8-32 and 10-32. Who knows, might even try metric sizes. Bill, W6WRT I have never seen them with machine screw threads, only as wood screws. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
... Bill Turner wrote: I would think one advantage of square drive would be it is nearly impossible to strip the drive hole, unlike Phillips and especially hex (Allen). I think I'll scout around for some for my next building project in 6-32, 8-32 and 10-32. Who knows, might even try metric sizes. Bill, W6WRT I have never seen them with machine screw threads, only as wood screws. Ah, you poor deprived person! Got 'em aplenty up here in the Great White North! |
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