Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson
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On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:12:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
/Snicker wrote:

Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson


Belongs on the Arizony retard group(s). Not here, idiot.

"Jim Thompson" /Snicker
wrote in message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for
Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for
health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate
a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal
insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that
would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved?

Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases
the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics
device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something
like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute
and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have
to wait for reimbursement.

....Oppie

Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote in
message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute
for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for
health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they
negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than
the normal insurance rate.


Be quite!!! If Nancy Reed hears that they will outlaw it!

Jon Slaughter wrote:
Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote in
message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute
for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve
for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital),
they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower
than the normal insurance rate.


Be quite!!! If Nancy Reed hears that they will outlaw it!

Someone has their parties switched.

It was given away to the republicans. They will not pass a bill
containing it, same as they crippled it for medicare meds. No negotiating
based on scale on the republicans' watch. lol

"Oppie" wrote in message
...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for
health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate
a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal
insurance rate.

Are you sure they weren't claiming to negotiate a substantially lower rate
than the normal *hospital* rate?

I mean -- insurance companies have plenty of incentive to negotitate very
tight deals (more money for them), and they have a lot more leverage (many
thousands of subscribers) they a few Amish do.

There is something to be said for hospital-run HMOs, though, where there's
only one entity (the hospital) that needs to make a profit or at least break
even rather than the more typical two (the hospital and the insurer).

---Joel

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote:

"Jim Thompson" /Snicker
wrote in message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for
Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for
health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate
a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal
insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that
would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved?

Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases
the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics
device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something
like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute
and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have
to wait for reimbursement.

...Oppie

It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that
well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get it?
How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National Socialist --
agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling:

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

flipper wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote:

"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote in
message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the
substitute for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve
for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital),
they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower
than the normal insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats
that would only further raise the costs of care when government
gets involved?

Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is
increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to
get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical
supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my
checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by
almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for
reimbursement.

...Oppie

It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that
well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get
it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National
Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling:

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely that
they're baby talk simplistic.

For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as they
put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute liability"
principle U.S. courts have placed on the system.

No such thing has occurred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability





"Government"
healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the
government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a
'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide.

Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers.



Whether you think that's 'better' is another matter but there are ways
to improve the problem without government running everything.

Another is that equipment and treatment is much more readily available
in the U.S., and that costs money. Another is that, in the U.S.,
'heroic' effort at end of life is common, and that costs a heap of
money. Now, whether you think it's 'better' to wait 6 months to see a
specialist and that when you get a 'terminal illness' it's appropriate
to just die off and get out of the way to 'save money' is a 'good
thing'

The graphic is of life expectancies, making this a line of bull****. lol

flipper wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:11:08 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote:

"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote in
message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no
longer accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the
substitute for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve
for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital),
they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially
lower than the normal insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and
bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when
government gets involved?

Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is
increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to
get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical
supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my
checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by
almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for
reimbursement.

...Oppie

It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that
well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get
it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National
Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling:

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely
that they're baby talk simplistic.

For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as
they put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute
liability" principle U.S. courts have placed on the system.

No such thing has occurred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability

My bad, I meant strict liability.


"Government"
healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the
government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a
'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide.

Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers.

So did Mussolini.

That doesn't save your point. If you have evidence that Obamacare
providers are to be lawsuit-proof, now would be a good time.



Whether you think that's 'better' is another matter but there are
ways to improve the problem without government running everything.

Another is that equipment and treatment is much more readily
available in the U.S., and that costs money. Another is that, in
the U.S., 'heroic' effort at end of life is common, and that costs
a heap of money. Now, whether you think it's 'better' to wait 6
months to see a specialist and that when you get a 'terminal
illness' it's appropriate to just die off and get out of the way to
'save money' is a 'good thing'

The graphic is of life expectancies, making this a line of
bull****. lol

It is a combined graph of cost, life expectancies, and 'number of
visits' and cutting 'cost' spent for 'marginal return', meaning the
elderly and young, is precisely the mechanism espoused by Obama
appointees in their writings..

That doesn't save your point. You can't have America so low on the life
expectancies axis, then claim that the alternative under universal health
care in case of terminal illness is just 'dying off'.

flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:54:12 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:11:08 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb
wrote:

On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie"
wrote:

"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote
in message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no
longer accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the
substitute for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash
reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a
hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is
substantially lower than the normal insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and
bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when
government gets involved?

Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is
increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to
get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical
supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out
my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price
by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait
for reimbursement.

...Oppie

It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that
well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*,
get it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or
National Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty
telling:

http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html

The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely
that they're baby talk simplistic.

For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as
they put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute
liability" principle U.S. courts have placed on the system.

No such thing has occurred.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability

My bad, I meant strict liability.


"Government"
healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue
the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a
'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide.

Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers.

So did Mussolini.

That doesn't save your point.

My point, as it was written, stands on it's own.

So, it is your actual claim that government cannot be sued? lol

Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote in
message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute
for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for
health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they
negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than
the normal insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats
that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets
involved?

That it can negotiate for lower costs, making your characterization a lie.

flipper wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote in
message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute
for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve
for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital),
they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower
than the normal insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats
that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets
involved?

That it can negotiate for lower costs,

Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and
dictates.

Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol



making your characterization a lie.

Says the serial liar.

Poor floppy is projecting again. lol

flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote in
message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no
longer accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the
substitute for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve
for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital),
they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially
lower than the normal insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and
bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when
government gets involved?

That it can negotiate for lower costs,

Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and
dictates.

Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol

Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example
Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing.

Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol

Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'.

Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf

flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

flipper wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote:

Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson"
/Snicker wrote
in message ...
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no
longer accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/

...Jim Thompson

Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the
substitute for Rush Limbaugh...
They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash
reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a
hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is
substantially lower than the normal insurance rate.

What does this say about another layer of middlemen and
bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when
government gets involved?

That it can negotiate for lower costs,

Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and
dictates.

Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol

Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example
Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing.

Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol

They never have for ANY thing, you damn snip ass liar.


Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'.

Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW

http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf



Typical liberal liar as the first 4 words explicitly explain "DoD
Final Rule Mandates..."

"which requires..."

"every manufacturer must offer... equal to or below the Federal
Ceiling Price ("FCP")."

"despite the "voluntary" label, DoD states... pricing to TRRx at or
below FCP to be mandatory.."

There's your lying ass 'negotiation'.

"WAIVER
Under the Final Rule, DoD has indicated that the obligation to pay refunds
for TRRx
prescriptions filled in 2008 could be waived in whole or in part pursuant to
a negotiation of
"voluntary" agreements regarding the prospective availability of covered
drugs to TRRx at
or below FCP."

Why, you're right, there it is, right there. "Negotiation". Gawrsh,
reading really IS fundamental!

Keep lying, ass.

Jim Thompson wrote:
Important Health Care Announcement...

Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer
accept future Medicare patients, etc...

http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/


Old news. From October:

http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/stor...id=OTC-RSS-FH0

Mayo Clinic performance rating comes under scrutiny

"The White House has praised the Mayo Clinic and other Midwest clinics for
performance ratings, but critics argue that Mayo's low- to no-acceptance of
Medicare/Medicaid skews the results.

Critics say the high scores in the Dartmouth College rankings do not reflect
Mayo's refusal to accept Medicare for patients in its Arizona facility or
that only five percent of patients in its flagship Minnesota facility are on
Medicaid.

The clinics have collectively leveraged their high-performance rankings,
critics say, to insert favorable language in healthcare legislation
provisions to reward themselves with higher Medicare payments. The language
would also punish facilities with low rankings--primarily in the South and
in larger U.S. cities."


Looks like their plan to sucker legislators suckered you.