Important Health Care Announcement
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Important Health Care Announcement
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:12:30 -0700, Jim Thompson
/Snicker wrote: Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Belongs on the Arizony retard group(s). Not here, idiot. |
Important Health Care Announcement
"Jim Thompson" /Snicker
wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for reimbursement. ....Oppie |
Important Health Care Announcement
On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote:
"Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for reimbursement. ...Oppie It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling: http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html -- Rich Webb Norfolk, VA |
Important Health Care Announcement
Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. Be quite!!! If Nancy Reed hears that they will outlaw it! |
Important Health Care Announcement
"Oppie" wrote in message
... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. Are you sure they weren't claiming to negotiate a substantially lower rate than the normal *hospital* rate? I mean -- insurance companies have plenty of incentive to negotitate very tight deals (more money for them), and they have a lot more leverage (many thousands of subscribers) they a few Amish do. There is something to be said for hospital-run HMOs, though, where there's only one entity (the hospital) that needs to make a profit or at least break even rather than the more typical two (the hospital and the insurer). ---Joel |
Important Health Care Announcement
Jim Thompson wrote:
Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ Old news. From October: http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/stor...id=OTC-RSS-FH0 Mayo Clinic performance rating comes under scrutiny "The White House has praised the Mayo Clinic and other Midwest clinics for performance ratings, but critics argue that Mayo's low- to no-acceptance of Medicare/Medicaid skews the results. Critics say the high scores in the Dartmouth College rankings do not reflect Mayo's refusal to accept Medicare for patients in its Arizona facility or that only five percent of patients in its flagship Minnesota facility are on Medicaid. The clinics have collectively leveraged their high-performance rankings, critics say, to insert favorable language in healthcare legislation provisions to reward themselves with higher Medicare payments. The language would also punish facilities with low rankings--primarily in the South and in larger U.S. cities." Looks like their plan to sucker legislators suckered you. |
Important Health Care Announcement
Oppie wrote:
"Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, making your characterization a lie. |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for reimbursement. ...Oppie It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling: http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely that they're baby talk simplistic. For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as they put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute liability" principle U.S. courts have placed on the system. No such thing has occurred. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability "Government" healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a 'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide. Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers. Whether you think that's 'better' is another matter but there are ways to improve the problem without government running everything. Another is that equipment and treatment is much more readily available in the U.S., and that costs money. Another is that, in the U.S., 'heroic' effort at end of life is common, and that costs a heap of money. Now, whether you think it's 'better' to wait 6 months to see a specialist and that when you get a 'terminal illness' it's appropriate to just die off and get out of the way to 'save money' is a 'good thing' The graphic is of life expectancies, making this a line of bull****. lol |
Important Health Care Announcement
Jon Slaughter wrote:
Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. Be quite!!! If Nancy Reed hears that they will outlaw it! Someone has their parties switched. It was given away to the republicans. They will not pass a bill containing it, same as they crippled it for medicare meds. No negotiating based on scale on the republicans' watch. lol |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and dictates. Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol making your characterization a lie. Says the serial liar. Poor floppy is projecting again. lol |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:11:08 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for reimbursement. ...Oppie It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling: http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely that they're baby talk simplistic. For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as they put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute liability" principle U.S. courts have placed on the system. No such thing has occurred. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability My bad, I meant strict liability. "Government" healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a 'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide. Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers. So did Mussolini. That doesn't save your point. If you have evidence that Obamacare providers are to be lawsuit-proof, now would be a good time. Whether you think that's 'better' is another matter but there are ways to improve the problem without government running everything. Another is that equipment and treatment is much more readily available in the U.S., and that costs money. Another is that, in the U.S., 'heroic' effort at end of life is common, and that costs a heap of money. Now, whether you think it's 'better' to wait 6 months to see a specialist and that when you get a 'terminal illness' it's appropriate to just die off and get out of the way to 'save money' is a 'good thing' The graphic is of life expectancies, making this a line of bull****. lol It is a combined graph of cost, life expectancies, and 'number of visits' and cutting 'cost' spent for 'marginal return', meaning the elderly and young, is precisely the mechanism espoused by Obama appointees in their writings.. That doesn't save your point. You can't have America so low on the life expectancies axis, then claim that the alternative under universal health care in case of terminal illness is just 'dying off'. |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:54:12 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:11:08 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for reimbursement. ...Oppie It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling: http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely that they're baby talk simplistic. For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as they put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute liability" principle U.S. courts have placed on the system. No such thing has occurred. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability My bad, I meant strict liability. "Government" healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a 'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide. Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers. So did Mussolini. That doesn't save your point. My point, as it was written, stands on it's own. So, it is your actual claim that government cannot be sued? lol |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and dictates. Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing. Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'. Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:18:04 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:54:12 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:11:08 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for reimbursement. ...Oppie It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling: http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely that they're baby talk simplistic. For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as they put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute liability" principle U.S. courts have placed on the system. No such thing has occurred. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability My bad, I meant strict liability. "Government" healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a 'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide. Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers. So did Mussolini. That doesn't save your point. My point, as it was written, stands on it's own. So, it is your actual claim that government cannot be sued? lol Wrong Really? healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government Sure looks like you made the claim. lol What was that about a 'lying ass'...? |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and dictates. Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing. Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol They never have for ANY thing, you damn snip ass liar. Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'. Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf Typical liberal liar as the first 4 words explicitly explain "DoD Final Rule Mandates..." "which requires..." "every manufacturer must offer... equal to or below the Federal Ceiling Price ("FCP")." "despite the "voluntary" label, DoD states... pricing to TRRx at or below FCP to be mandatory.." There's your lying ass 'negotiation'. "WAIVER Under the Final Rule, DoD has indicated that the obligation to pay refunds for TRRx prescriptions filled in 2008 could be waived in whole or in part pursuant to a negotiation of "voluntary" agreements regarding the prospective availability of covered drugs to TRRx at or below FCP." Why, you're right, there it is, right there. "Negotiation". Gawrsh, reading really IS fundamental! Keep lying, ass. |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:47:33 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:18:04 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:54:12 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:11:08 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for reimbursement. ...Oppie It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling: http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely that they're baby talk simplistic. For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as they put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute liability" principle U.S. courts have placed on the system. No such thing has occurred. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability My bad, I meant strict liability. "Government" healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a 'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide. Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers. So did Mussolini. That doesn't save your point. My point, as it was written, stands on it's own. So, it is your actual claim that government cannot be sued? lol Wrong Really? Yes healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government Sure looks like you made the claim. lol What was that about a 'lying ass'...? Your lying ass snipping, cutting, and pasting out of context. "Government" healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a 'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide. "Out of context" = pathetic lie. lol |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:05:13 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and dictates. Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing. Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol They never have for ANY thing, you damn snip ass liar. Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'. Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf Typical liberal liar as the first 4 words explicitly explain "DoD Final Rule Mandates..." "which requires..." "every manufacturer must offer... equal to or below the Federal Ceiling Price ("FCP")." "despite the "voluntary" label, DoD states... pricing to TRRx at or below FCP to be mandatory.." There's your lying ass 'negotiation'. "WAIVER Under the Final Rule, DoD has indicated that the obligation to pay refunds for TRRx prescriptions filled in 2008 could be waived in whole or in part pursuant to a negotiation of "voluntary" agreements regarding the prospective availability of covered drugs to TRRx at or below FCP." Why, you're right, there it is, right there. "Negotiation". Gawrsh, reading really IS fundamental! Yes, just like the word "voluntary" for mandatory price requirements is "right there" and the supposed 'negotiation' line you quote is that the RETROACTIVE penalty (required refund for not complying with rules that didn't exist at the time. How so 'liberal') 'might' (could) be 'waived' if one 'voluntarily' agrees to the MANDATE. And a mugger 'might' not shoot you if you 'voluntarily' hand over your wallet. As I said, Liberals love to mangle the language, a generous alternate description to what the average person would understandably call "lying." OK, have it your way - government never negotiates. The republicans paid the price in 2008 for preventing medicare from negotiating drug prices when no such thing was ever possible - and Obama got a health care deal out of the Pharma companies by promising the bill would not do something that was already impossible. lol Apparently, under your scenario, republicans are real dupes. |
Important Health Care Announcement
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:23:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex"
wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:05:13 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and dictates. Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing. Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol They never have for ANY thing, you damn snip ass liar. Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'. Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf Typical liberal liar as the first 4 words explicitly explain "DoD Final Rule Mandates..." "which requires..." "every manufacturer must offer... equal to or below the Federal Ceiling Price ("FCP")." "despite the "voluntary" label, DoD states... pricing to TRRx at or below FCP to be mandatory.." There's your lying ass 'negotiation'. "WAIVER Under the Final Rule, DoD has indicated that the obligation to pay refunds for TRRx prescriptions filled in 2008 could be waived in whole or in part pursuant to a negotiation of "voluntary" agreements regarding the prospective availability of covered drugs to TRRx at or below FCP." Why, you're right, there it is, right there. "Negotiation". Gawrsh, reading really IS fundamental! Yes, just like the word "voluntary" for mandatory price requirements is "right there" and the supposed 'negotiation' line you quote is that the RETROACTIVE penalty (required refund for not complying with rules that didn't exist at the time. How so 'liberal') 'might' (could) be 'waived' if one 'voluntarily' agrees to the MANDATE. And a mugger 'might' not shoot you if you 'voluntarily' hand over your wallet. As I said, Liberals love to mangle the language, a generous alternate description to what the average person would understandably call "lying." OK, have it your way - government never negotiates. The republicans paid the price in 2008 for preventing medicare from negotiating drug prices when no such thing was ever possible - and Obama got a health care deal out of the Pharma companies by promising the bill would not do something that was already impossible. lol Apparently, under your scenario, republicans are real dupes. You're a goddamned idiot. The American people have been duped and idiots like you help perpetuate it. |
Important Health Care Announcement
UltimatePatriot wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:23:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:05:13 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and dictates. Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing. Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol They never have for ANY thing, you damn snip ass liar. Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'. Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf Typical liberal liar as the first 4 words explicitly explain "DoD Final Rule Mandates..." "which requires..." "every manufacturer must offer... equal to or below the Federal Ceiling Price ("FCP")." "despite the "voluntary" label, DoD states... pricing to TRRx at or below FCP to be mandatory.." There's your lying ass 'negotiation'. "WAIVER Under the Final Rule, DoD has indicated that the obligation to pay refunds for TRRx prescriptions filled in 2008 could be waived in whole or in part pursuant to a negotiation of "voluntary" agreements regarding the prospective availability of covered drugs to TRRx at or below FCP." Why, you're right, there it is, right there. "Negotiation". Gawrsh, reading really IS fundamental! Yes, just like the word "voluntary" for mandatory price requirements is "right there" and the supposed 'negotiation' line you quote is that the RETROACTIVE penalty (required refund for not complying with rules that didn't exist at the time. How so 'liberal') 'might' (could) be 'waived' if one 'voluntarily' agrees to the MANDATE. And a mugger 'might' not shoot you if you 'voluntarily' hand over your wallet. As I said, Liberals love to mangle the language, a generous alternate description to what the average person would understandably call "lying." OK, have it your way - government never negotiates. The republicans paid the price in 2008 for preventing medicare from negotiating drug prices when no such thing was ever possible - and Obama got a health care deal out of the Pharma companies by promising the bill would not do something that was already impossible. lol Apparently, under your scenario, republicans are real dupes. You're a goddamned idiot. About all you ever say around here, innit? lol |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:19:12 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:47:33 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:18:04 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:54:12 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:11:08 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:23:37 -0500, Rich Webb wrote: On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:06:24 -0500, "Oppie" wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? Obama care aside. It is pretty pathetic that insurance as it is increases the care provider's costs so. A while back I needed to get an orthotics device (drop foot brace) for my wife. Surgical supply store quoted something like $275. I balked but took out my checkbook. The owner thought a minute and reduced the price by almost 50% since I paid 'cash' and he wouldn't have to wait for reimbursement. ...Oppie It's probably been mentioned before, but this graphic from that well-known lefty marxist rag, National Geographic (*National*, get it? How much more of an admission of a socialist -- or National Socialist -- agenda is needed? Scary stuff!) is pretty telling: http://blogs.ngm.com/blog_central/20...t-of-care.html The problem with simplistic graphs and explanations is precisely that they're baby talk simplistic. For example, one of the reasons for the "unneeded treatment," as they put it, is ass covering for law suits due to the "absolute liability" principle U.S. courts have placed on the system. No such thing has occurred. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_liability My bad, I meant strict liability. "Government" healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a 'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide. Sorry, Obamacare uses private providers. So did Mussolini. That doesn't save your point. My point, as it was written, stands on it's own. So, it is your actual claim that government cannot be sued? lol Wrong Really? Yes healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government Sure looks like you made the claim. lol What was that about a 'lying ass'...? Your lying ass snipping, cutting, and pasting out of context. "Government" healthcare sure does solve that 'problem' because you can't sue the government and the 'remedy' is whatever the government, not a 'sympathetic' jury, decides to provide. "Out of context" = pathetic lie. lol Your mangling of posts and taking things out of context does indeed equate to "pathetic lie." Poor floppy, once again, believes he is the only one here with a command of the english language. lol |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote:
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:23:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:05:13 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and dictates. Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing. Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol They never have for ANY thing, you damn snip ass liar. Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'. Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf Typical liberal liar as the first 4 words explicitly explain "DoD Final Rule Mandates..." "which requires..." "every manufacturer must offer... equal to or below the Federal Ceiling Price ("FCP")." "despite the "voluntary" label, DoD states... pricing to TRRx at or below FCP to be mandatory.." There's your lying ass 'negotiation'. "WAIVER Under the Final Rule, DoD has indicated that the obligation to pay refunds for TRRx prescriptions filled in 2008 could be waived in whole or in part pursuant to a negotiation of "voluntary" agreements regarding the prospective availability of covered drugs to TRRx at or below FCP." Why, you're right, there it is, right there. "Negotiation". Gawrsh, reading really IS fundamental! Yes, just like the word "voluntary" for mandatory price requirements is "right there" and the supposed 'negotiation' line you quote is that the RETROACTIVE penalty (required refund for not complying with rules that didn't exist at the time. How so 'liberal') 'might' (could) be 'waived' if one 'voluntarily' agrees to the MANDATE. And a mugger 'might' not shoot you if you 'voluntarily' hand over your wallet. As I said, Liberals love to mangle the language, a generous alternate description to what the average person would understandably call "lying." OK, have it your way - government never negotiates. Tell you what. Tax time is coming up in a few months so show us all how it's done by 'negotiating' a different tax rate for yourself and see how far you get. How about 'negotiating' a lower gasoline tax too? The republicans paid the price in 2008 for preventing medicare from negotiating drug prices when no such thing was ever possible Liberals claim a lot of things that aren't possible and, as your own link proved, mangle the language to hide the truth. - and Obama got a health care deal out of the Pharma companies by promising the bill would not do something that was already impossible. lol As Speaker of the House Pelosi giggled, Obama promised a lot of things that don't happen. Apparently, under your scenario, republicans are real dupes. No, it's just people who take liberals at their word, like calling mandated pricing 'negotiation', who are duped. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aq=f&oq=&aqi= heh heh heh |
Important Health Care Announcement
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:00:36 -0600, flipper wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:58:25 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:23:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 16:05:13 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:27:09 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 09:47:00 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: flipper wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 10:03:21 -0600, "Ouroboros Rex" wrote: Oppie wrote: "Jim Thompson" /Snicker wrote in message ... Important Health Care Announcement... Mayo Clinic (Glendale, AZ) announced today that they will no longer accept future Medicare patients, etc... http://industry.bnet.com/healthcare/...care-payments/ ...Jim Thompson Was listening to the radio today. I think that it was the substitute for Rush Limbaugh... They mentioned the Amish communities that put aside a cash reserve for health care. When someone needs medical care (at a hospital), they negotiate a cash price rate. This rate is substantially lower than the normal insurance rate. What does this say about another layer of middlemen and bureaucrats that would only further raise the costs of care when government gets involved? That it can negotiate for lower costs, Government does not 'negotiate'. It legislates, mandates, and dictates. Must be why it had to be specifically prohibited by law. lol Liberals love to mangle the language and that is a good example Medicare does not 'negotiate' ANY thing. Not now, anyway, they prohibited it by law. lol They never have for ANY thing, you damn snip ass liar. Next you will be telling us the VA does not 'negotiate'. Oh, wait, you already did that. HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW http://www.cov.com/files/Publication...%20Pharmac.pdf Typical liberal liar as the first 4 words explicitly explain "DoD Final Rule Mandates..." "which requires..." "every manufacturer must offer... equal to or below the Federal Ceiling Price ("FCP")." "despite the "voluntary" label, DoD states... pricing to TRRx at or below FCP to be mandatory.." There's your lying ass 'negotiation'. "WAIVER Under the Final Rule, DoD has indicated that the obligation to pay refunds for TRRx prescriptions filled in 2008 could be waived in whole or in part pursuant to a negotiation of "voluntary" agreements regarding the prospective availability of covered drugs to TRRx at or below FCP." Why, you're right, there it is, right there. "Negotiation". Gawrsh, reading really IS fundamental! Yes, just like the word "voluntary" for mandatory price requirements is "right there" and the supposed 'negotiation' line you quote is that the RETROACTIVE penalty (required refund for not complying with rules that didn't exist at the time. How so 'liberal') 'might' (could) be 'waived' if one 'voluntarily' agrees to the MANDATE. And a mugger 'might' not shoot you if you 'voluntarily' hand over your wallet. As I said, Liberals love to mangle the language, a generous alternate description to what the average person would understandably call "lying." OK, have it your way - government never negotiates. Tell you what. Tax time is coming up in a few months so show us all how it's done by 'negotiating' a different tax rate for yourself and see how far you get. How about 'negotiating' a lower gasoline tax too? The republicans paid the price in 2008 for preventing medicare from negotiating drug prices when no such thing was ever possible Liberals claim a lot of things that aren't possible and, as your own link proved, mangle the language to hide the truth. - and Obama got a health care deal out of the Pharma companies by promising the bill would not do something that was already impossible. lol As Speaker of the House Pelosi giggled, Obama promised a lot of things that don't happen. Apparently, under your scenario, republicans are real dupes. No, it's just people who take liberals at their word, like calling mandated pricing 'negotiation', who are duped. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aq=f&oq=&aqi= First link: The VA Drug Pricing Model: What Senators Should Know "But the VA does not simply negotiate prices; rather, it **fixes** prices and then reduces the range of drugs offered to enrollees. . . . While the VA's pricing practices do not consist of price-fixing mechanisms alone, they are not "negotiation" either. The VA does not use its buying power to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices. Instead, the government, acting through the VA, uses its power to deny manufacturers market access as a way to extort lower prices. But these lower prices come at the expense of fewer drugs for patients." heh heh heh Thanks for posting links to how liberals mangle the language to promulgate falsehoods and lies. -- THIS POSTING HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH ELECTRONICS WHY DON'T YOU INSTEAD POST A QUESTION ABOUT A CIRCUIT? |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote: First link: The VA Drug Pricing Model: What Senators Should Know "But the VA does not simply negotiate prices; rather, it **fixes** prices and then reduces the range of drugs offered to enrollees. . . . While the VA's pricing practices do not consist of price-fixing mechanisms alone, they are not "negotiation" either. The VA does not use its buying power to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices. Instead, the government, acting through the VA, uses its power to deny manufacturers market access as a way to extort lower prices. But these lower prices come at the expense of fewer drugs for patients." The VA also imports some medicines and medical supplies from Canada. Several times my prescriptions were from Canadian companies. From a VA newsletter for January, 2010: VA Statement about 2010 Benefits and Programs WASHINGTON – The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) wants to inform Veterans and other beneficiaries of the following changes that will take effect in 2010: · VA will Freeze Increase in Prescription Copayments: Any increase in Veterans out-of-pocket payments for pharmaceuticals will be delayed until June 30, 2010. This means the department will delay a scheduled $1 increase – to $9 – in the copayments facing Veterans for each 30-day supply of medicine for the treatment of conditions not related to military service. During this period, VA will also keep $960 as the maximum, annual out-of-pocket payments for pharmaceuticals for non-service-related conditions. The $960 cap will not apply to Veterans in priority groups seven and eight. The yearly maximum out-of-pocket payment was scheduled to increase to $1,080. There are no copayments associated with the treatment of conditions related to military service. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
Important Health Care Announcement
flipper wrote: On Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:40:09 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: flipper wrote: First link: The VA Drug Pricing Model: What Senators Should Know "But the VA does not simply negotiate prices; rather, it **fixes** prices and then reduces the range of drugs offered to enrollees. . . . While the VA's pricing practices do not consist of price-fixing mechanisms alone, they are not "negotiation" either. The VA does not use its buying power to negotiate with drug companies for lower prices. Instead, the government, acting through the VA, uses its power to deny manufacturers market access as a way to extort lower prices. But these lower prices come at the expense of fewer drugs for patients." The VA also imports some medicines and medical supplies from Canada. Several times my prescriptions were from Canadian companies. Is that an FYI or is there more to it? It's one of their attempts to control costs, and provide care for more Veterans on their fixed budget. If they can't get an item in the US for the budgeted price, they look elsewhere. Generic medicines, and things like bandages or other consumables are allowed to be bought outside the US. -- Greed is the root of all eBay. |
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