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ian field wrote: Isn't a 64 bit OS to fully utilise a 64 bit architecture I doubt it in Microsoft's case. But there was 32 bit DOS and that FLEW. Graham |
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"Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... "flipper" wrote in message On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:02:25 +0000, Eeyore wrote: Well..... I never recall DOS crashing ! There's a good reason for that. DOS doesn't 'do' much of anything. Oh, I remember it crashing and freezing, but it was always because of the app, not the OS. With Windows the component that crashes most, on my PC, is the Explorer shell. When I used OS/2 it was also the shell (Presentation Manager) that crashed the most. Jerry Pournelle loved OS/2 but commented on how unstable PM was. It crashed a lot less than Windows of the time (either 95 or NT) but it had the unfortunate habit of overwriting the MBR with whatever file I was trying to save when it crashed. Come to think of it, pre-95 Windows was very unreliable, but it was only a DOS shell. Windows 95/98/ME wasn't very reliable either. Vendors ported their buggy apps to Windows, and they crashed there even more then they did under DOS. Win2000 was an improvement, but was ill suited to environments where it was exposed to a wide variety of hardware and software. Microsoft didn't really make a stable and versatile OS until XP came out. |
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"Zootal" wrote in message ... "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... "flipper" wrote in message On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:02:25 +0000, Eeyore wrote: Well..... I never recall DOS crashing ! There's a good reason for that. DOS doesn't 'do' much of anything. Oh, I remember it crashing and freezing, but it was always because of the app, not the OS. With Windows the component that crashes most, on my PC, is the Explorer shell. When I used OS/2 it was also the shell (Presentation Manager) that crashed the most. Jerry Pournelle loved OS/2 but commented on how unstable PM was. It crashed a lot less than Windows of the time (either 95 or NT) but it had the unfortunate habit of overwriting the MBR with whatever file I was trying to save when it crashed. Come to think of it, pre-95 Windows was very unreliable, but it was only a DOS shell. Windows 95/98/ME wasn't very reliable either. Vendors ported their buggy apps to Windows, and they crashed there even more then they did under DOS. Win2000 was an improvement, but was ill suited to environments where it was exposed to a wide variety of hardware and software. Microsoft didn't really make a stable and versatile OS until XP came out. I'm not sure that is strictly true. All of those versions were fine, if they were just left alone. You have to remember that in those early days of 'home' computing, people weren't as savvy as they are now, and their home computer was used for little else than word processing and perhaps some e-mail activity. That is the only expectation that most had, and it's what MS addressed with those early versions. It allowed simple folk whose only concept of a computer was something they had seen in the movies, to interface with what was, after all, a complex item. It simply wasn't designed to be 'tinkered' with by average users who wanted to start changing hardware in their machines all the time, or adding software. Even given those limitations, I still think that most 'proper' applications that were actually written for those platforms, ran pretty well, and trouble free for the most part. Over the years, I have run many third party applications and my son has run every game known to man, largely without incident, on every version of Windows that there has been (excluding Vista, so far ... !! ) For sure, XP seems to be the most versatile version that there has been, but then I think that migrated down from the pro end, and was adapted for the home market, wasn't it ? There was a need for an OS that could tolerate the foibles of the 'modern' user, and XP was it. It must be a terribly difficult balancing act for them to continually produce and maintain and OS that has the performance and facilities of a jet airliner, yet 'drives' like a Ford Escort. Arfa |
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Win2000 was an improvement, but was ill suited to environments
where it was exposed to a wide variety of hardware and software. Microsoft didn't really make a stable and versatile OS until XP came out. I've been running W2K for over seven years, and it has been extremely stable. I can't remember the last cras. And the few crashes I did have were Word lockups -- which I also haven't seen in several years. The consensus is still that W2K is the most-stable version of Windows. I can't comment as to versatility, but W2K was around for some time, and drivers for almost everything are available. |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... Win2000 was an improvement, but was ill suited to environments where it was exposed to a wide variety of hardware and software. Microsoft didn't really make a stable and versatile OS until XP came out. I've been running W2K for over seven years, and it has been extremely stable. I can't remember the last cras. And the few crashes I did have were Word lockups -- which I also haven't seen in several years. The consensus is still that W2K is the most-stable version of Windows. Many people share your experiencences, myself included. And in every case I've personally seen, those who run it with few or no crashes do so in a limited and controlled environment. I had a few W2K workstations that I used for 2 or 3 years that never crashed. It was in a controlled environment, the hardware never changed, and only limited software was allowed on it. Back in the SP1 or so era, I found W2K to be unusable on a few of my boxes because of the lack of drivers for some of my hardware. Specifically, I had ATI Rage Fury cards in my box, and ATI was unable to provide stable drivers for these cards. I had to abanodon it and go back to Win98 on those boxes. Other compability issues prevented me from using Win2K until later service packs came out. Take it outside of the rather small hardware and software box that Microsoft designed it for, and you have crash city. |
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:04 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote:
"ian field" wrote in message ... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I think the capacitors have sharted ... Is that a portmanteau word? Perhaps a mixture of "shorted" and "farted"... You obviously haven't smelled one after its vented. Oh, yes I have. Not just vented, but exploded... 8 of them today in fact, in PC power supplies. Ever connected to another phase instead of neutral? And no it wasn't me. But he's gonna pay for it. -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. |
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"Peter Hucker" wrote in message ... On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:04 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote: "ian field" wrote in message ... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I think the capacitors have sharted ... Is that a portmanteau word? Perhaps a mixture of "shorted" and "farted"... You obviously haven't smelled one after its vented. Oh, yes I have. Not just vented, but exploded... 8 of them today in fact, in PC power supplies. Ever connected to another phase instead of neutral? And no it wasn't me. But he's gonna pay for it. Yet another of PHucker's fantasies! |
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flipper wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 09:52:54 -0000, "Arfa Daily" wrote: "Zootal" wrote in message ... "Tom Del Rosso" wrote in message ... "flipper" wrote in message On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:02:25 +0000, Eeyore wrote: Well..... I never recall DOS crashing ! There's a good reason for that. DOS doesn't 'do' much of anything. Oh, I remember it crashing and freezing, but it was always because of the app, not the OS. With Windows the component that crashes most, on my PC, is the Explorer shell. When I used OS/2 it was also the shell (Presentation Manager) that crashed the most. Jerry Pournelle loved OS/2 but commented on how unstable PM was. It crashed a lot less than Windows of the time (either 95 or NT) but it had the unfortunate habit of overwriting the MBR with whatever file I was trying to save when it crashed. Come to think of it, pre-95 Windows was very unreliable, but it was only a DOS shell. Windows 95/98/ME wasn't very reliable either. Vendors ported their buggy apps to Windows, and they crashed there even more then they did under DOS. Win2000 was an improvement, but was ill suited to environments where it was exposed to a wide variety of hardware and software. Microsoft didn't really make a stable and versatile OS until XP came out. I'm not sure that is strictly true. All of those versions were fine, if they were just left alone. You have to remember that in those early days of 'home' computing, people weren't as savvy as they are now, and their home computer was used for little else than word processing and perhaps some e-mail activity. That is the only expectation that most had, and it's what MS addressed with those early versions. It allowed simple folk whose only concept of a computer was something they had seen in the movies, to interface with what was, after all, a complex item. It simply wasn't designed to be 'tinkered' with by average users who wanted to start changing hardware in their machines all the time, or adding software. Even given those limitations, I still think that most 'proper' applications that were actually written for those platforms, ran pretty well, and trouble free for the most part. Over the years, I have run many third party applications and my son has run every game known to man, largely without incident, on every version of Windows that there has been (excluding Vista, so far ... !! ) For sure, XP seems to be the most versatile version that there has been, Mainly because things generally improve over time, but then I think that migrated down from the pro end, and was adapted for the home market, wasn't it ? There was a need for an OS that could tolerate the foibles of the 'modern' user, and XP was it. As is usually the case, it's not that simple and Windows NT, the 'family' XP is a sibling of, predates Windows 95. People act as if Microsoft always 'ran everything' but they started off as a hole in the wall group writing software for other people, like IBM (DOS. OS/2, etc) and Apple (Word, Office, etc) They also had the foresight to retain rights to what they wrote. Microsoft started under a different business name, building electronic vehicle counters that were used to audit the traffic on a road. Then they wrote one of the first BASIC interpeters for the early kit computers under their new Microsoft name. Their first big break was keeping rights to DOS on non IBM machines, of which there weren't any... for about 15 minutes till the clones came out. Oops (for IBM). Actually, IBM didn't really care all that much about DOS, and OS/2 for that matter, as they considered it more of a necessary evil to sell hardware than a money maker in it's own right. It was the clones they hated. But, back to the 'Windows' O.S., they were for different purposes. As I mentioned, MS retained rights to Office on 'non apple' products and I suppose Apple figured why not? since that's all it would run on. 'Windows' (for DOS) was originally developed so that Office could run on x86 computers. Oops (for Apple). But, back at the IBM barn, MS was working on OS/2 when Windows 3.0 turned out to be an actual 'hit' (meaning they finally had a version that worked) so MS wanted to incorporate more of the Windows API into what was then called "NT OS/2" but IBM had different ideas so they split and MS's work went on to be Windows NT. (IBM would later change directions and advertise that OS/2 can run Windows apps too but why not get 'the real thing'?) DOS based Windows was to simply 'run programs' (and multimedia) while NT was to be a multi-user, fully pre-emptive multitasking system portable across multiple platforms while being both OS/2 and POSIX complaint... as well as, of course, Windows (API). The holy grail in those days was "transportability" and that's where HAL, the "Hardware Abstraction Layer," comes from. It sits between the hardware and everything else so you need only rewrite the rather small HAL and the rest is none the wiser, or so the theory went. DOS Windows has no such need because it's only job is to run on x86 machines. In some ways DOS Windows was functionally 'ahead' of NT in that it (GUI) was first out of the chute and got the consumer oriented 'multimedia' stuff. NT first got the Windows 3.x GUI and then, after Windows 95, that GUI migrated to NT but, for a while, people had a kind of "Back to the Future" experience going from their nifty looking Windows 95 home computer to the office 'super duper OS' NT system with the 'old fashioned' Windows 3.x GUI. NT was the 'business' OS, where multi-user and multitasking was needed, and didn't get the full multimedia treatment till XP. This, of course, isn't everything but it hit on a few of the major points. It must be a terribly difficult balancing act for them to continually produce and maintain and OS that has the performance and facilities of a jet airliner, yet 'drives' like a Ford Escort. Arfa -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html aioe.org, Goggle Groups, and Web TV users must request to be white listed, or I will not see your messages. If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm There are two kinds of people on this earth: The crazy, and the insane. The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy. |
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"Zootal" wrote in message
... Back in the SP1 or so era, I found W2K to be unusable on a few of my boxes because of the lack of drivers for some of my hardware. Specifically, I had ATI Rage Fury cards in my box, and ATI was unable to provide stable drivers for these cards. I had to abanodon it and go back to Win98 on those boxes. Other compability issues prevented me from using Win2K until later service packs came out. But that pretty much applies to any OS, and it is not the fault of the OS. Any OS is only as stable as the weakest driver. On this 64 bit Vista machine, the only issue I have ever had in 1 year's use was with a buggy ATI 2600 driver. Yep, ATI again! I would get the "The atimmx (whatever it is called) driver has stopped responding...restarting the driver" message at random times. Sometimes it would recover, sometimes the machine would blue screen. This was purely a driver problem. Once I installed a different version of the driver (9 months ago), no more problems. Vista is now as solid as 2000 or XP ever was. This machine gets pretty hard use - dual monitors, multiple Virtual PC VMs (Server 2003, XP and Vista Business) running for weeks at a time for my development job, plus the usual Internet/Itunes/Media Player/MP3s/camera/pictures home use. Most OS instability can be traced to either bad drivers or flaky hardware (usually RAM, but can also be power supply or hard drive - I have seen all 3 cause random reboots). Particularly with the NT/2000/XP/Vista line. All of these have been very stable for me, given solid hardware. BTW, what does any of this have to do with Electrolytics? Topic Drift Much? :-) |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 04:26:58 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: Win2000 was an improvement, but was ill suited to environments where it was exposed to a wide variety of hardware and software. Microsoft didn't really make a stable and versatile OS until XP came out. I've been running W2K for over seven years, and it has been extremely stable. I can't remember the last cras. And the few crashes I did have were Word lockups -- which I also haven't seen in several years. The consensus is still that W2K is the most-stable version of Windows. I can't comment as to versatility, but W2K was around for some time, and drivers for almost everything are available. Windows 2000 was the final release of Windows NT. Windows NT was very stable, depending on the platform it was run on. NT server was so stable that all the banks got rid of OS/2 and adopted Windows, thanks to NT server, and subsequently, W2k. OS/2 was run at nearly EVERY bank in the entire world at that time. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:14:24 -0800, "Zootal"
wrote: Specifically, I had ATI Rage Fury cards in my box, and ATI was unable to provide stable drivers for these cards. I had to abanodon it and go back to Win98 on those boxes. It would have been much simpler to change the video card. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote:
A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. You're an idiot. Don't give that 'It's just a sig' horse**** either. Your stats, as well as your stat source are as retarded as you are. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:04 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote: "ian field" wrote in message ... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I think the capacitors have sharted ... Is that a portmanteau word? Perhaps a mixture of "shorted" and "farted"... You obviously haven't smelled one after its vented. Oh, yes I have. Not just vented, but exploded... 8 of them today in fact, in PC power supplies. Ever connected to another phase instead of neutral? And no it wasn't me. But he's gonna pay for it. You're a goddamned idiot if you are in a setting where AC power lines get toyed with. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:12:19 -0500, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
But that pretty much applies to any OS, That ATI hardware sucks on all of them? Yes... I agree 100%. |
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"Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message
... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:12:19 -0500, "Bob Campbell" wrote: But that pretty much applies to any OS, That ATI hardware sucks on all of them? Yes... I agree 100%. No, the hardware is fine. The drivers have issues sometimes. |
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"Peter Hucker" wrote in message
... DOS simply loads TSRs, it doesn't 'manage' them. Then what gives each program time on the CPU? DOS is single-tasking. In DOS, there is only ever one program at a time executing. The currently executing program "owns" the machine. There is no "executive", there is no time slicing of CPU time. TSRs simply hook into the keyboard interrupt, and when a certain key combination is pressed, DOS passes control to the TSR. When the TSR "exits" by the user pressing ESC or whatever, control passes back to DOS. However, the TSR remains in memory. Hence TSR - Terminate and Stay Resident. When the key combo is pressed again, the TSR gets control. Again, there is no "executive" here. DOS passed control to the TSR, and the TSR passes control back to DOS. It *looks* like multi tasking thru clever programming, but it really isn't. Whatever you were doing before is suspended while the TSR is in control, and the TSR is suspended when it hands control back to DOS. There is nothing "giving each program time on the CPU" but the running programs themselves. If the TSR crashes, it will never return control to DOS. If another application crashes, pressing the TSR key combo will have no effect. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:44:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever
wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. I suppose that means smoking is good for dental health. John |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:25:29 -0500, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
"Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:12:19 -0500, "Bob Campbell" wrote: But that pretty much applies to any OS, That ATI hardware sucks on all of them? Yes... I agree 100%. No, the hardware is fine. The drivers have issues sometimes. The drivers are written by the hardware makers. D U H ! ATI sucks. Their driver support, particularly for platforms other than windows is very poor, or at least was for years. If it is better now, it is only because they wised up a bit. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:19:42 -0500, "Bob Campbell" wrote:
"Peter Hucker" wrote in message ... DOS simply loads TSRs, it doesn't 'manage' them. Then what gives each program time on the CPU? DOS is single-tasking. In DOS, there is only ever one program at a time executing. The currently executing program "owns" the machine. There is no "executive", there is no time slicing of CPU time. I fell in love with DesqViewX. It was among the first for the early x86 architectures to slice things up well. Snipped other good multitasking info. |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:22:48 -0800, John Larkin
wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:44:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. I suppose that means smoking is good for dental health. John Bwuahahahah! Cannabis is a better brand. Tobacco sucks/kills. Cannabis is healthy. |
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"John Larkin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:44:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. I suppose that means smoking is good for dental health. John I haven't lost 6.5 teeth in my entire (considerable) adult life, let alone the last 10 years. I don't think that I could come up with anyone in my extended family or friends, who has lost that many either. Where did this little gem of a 'fact' come from - "Dentistry for Beginners", published 1802, maybe ? Arfa |
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"Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message
... No, the hardware is fine. The drivers have issues sometimes. The drivers are written by the hardware makers. D U H ! But that doesn't mean the hardware is bad. DUH! Hardware is different from software. |
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"Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message
... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:19:42 -0500, "Bob Campbell" wrote: "Peter Hucker" wrote in message ... DOS simply loads TSRs, it doesn't 'manage' them. Then what gives each program time on the CPU? DOS is single-tasking. In DOS, there is only ever one program at a time executing. The currently executing program "owns" the machine. There is no "executive", there is no time slicing of CPU time. I fell in love with DesqViewX. It was among the first for the early x86 architectures to slice things up well. Yeah, I ran DesqView and DV 386 (not X) for years. I actually got X but never used it. |
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John Larkin wrote: But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. Where did you get that figure from ? Or was it a joke ? I've only lost 2 'wisdom teeth' (intentionally extracted) and one other that was extracted because it was causing jaw crowding. I've had root canal work one one molar where it hadn't been filled carefully enough and caused decay. That's got a crown. And my 2 front teeth were made 'wonky' by aforementioned crowding and these have been crowned now too. Graham |
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"Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:22:48 -0800, John Larkin wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:44:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. I suppose that means smoking is good for dental health. John Bwuahahahah! Cannabis is a better brand. Tobacco sucks/kills. Cannabis is healthy. There's no telling what dealers mix into resin to make up the weight - I usually have an allergic reaction. The last time I tried weed that was supposedly skunk it had hardly any effect, I just don't bother anymore. |
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"Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:04 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote: "ian field" wrote in message ... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I think the capacitors have sharted ... Is that a portmanteau word? Perhaps a mixture of "shorted" and "farted"... You obviously haven't smelled one after its vented. Oh, yes I have. Not just vented, but exploded... 8 of them today in fact, in PC power supplies. Ever connected to another phase instead of neutral? And no it wasn't me. But he's gonna pay for it. You're a goddamned idiot if you are in a setting where AC power lines get toyed with. He's just making up stories, the UK has strict regulations on 3-ph wiring to prevent a single phase appliance being exposed to more than one phase. You have to watch out though, some of PHucker's fairy tales are vaguely plausible! |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:31:27 -0000, "Arfa Daily"
wrote: "John Larkin" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:44:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. I suppose that means smoking is good for dental health. John I haven't lost 6.5 teeth in my entire (considerable) adult life, let alone the last 10 years. I don't think that I could come up with anyone in my extended family or friends, who has lost that many either. Where did this little gem of a 'fact' come from - "Dentistry for Beginners", published 1802, maybe ? Arfa I just did the math. 20 baby teeth, 32 adult teeth, 80 year lifespan. John |
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He's just making up stories, the UK has strict regulations on 3-ph wiring to prevent a single phase appliance being exposed to more than one phase. You have to watch out though, some of PHucker's fairy tales are vaguely plausible! Regulations don't stop accidents or idiots. My neighbor down the road had her appliances fried because of a power co. employee screwup. They happily replaced her appliances and everyone was very glad she didn't get electrocuted or had her house burn down. Stuff happens. |
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I just did the math. 20 baby teeth, 32 adult teeth, 80 year lifespan.
Losing your adult teeth is neither universal nor inevitable. I've lost only one of them -- due to a crack likely caused by a genetic defect. I expect to have all the rest when I die. |
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ian field wrote: "Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:04 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote: "ian field" wrote in message ... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I think the capacitors have sharted ... Is that a portmanteau word? Perhaps a mixture of "shorted" and "farted"... You obviously haven't smelled one after its vented. Oh, yes I have. Not just vented, but exploded... 8 of them today in fact, in PC power supplies. Ever connected to another phase instead of neutral? And no it wasn't me. But he's gonna pay for it. You're a goddamned idiot if you are in a setting where AC power lines get toyed with. He's just making up stories, the UK has strict regulations on 3-ph wiring to prevent a single phase appliance being exposed to more than one phase. You have to watch out though, some of PHucker's fairy tales are vaguely plausible! You mena that he might really have one parrot? -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html aioe.org, Goggle Groups, and Web TV users must request to be white listed, or I will not see your messages. If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm There are two kinds of people on this earth: The crazy, and the insane. The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy. |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:29:54 -0800, John Larkin
wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:31:27 -0000, "Arfa Daily" wrote: "John Larkin" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:44:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. I suppose that means smoking is good for dental health. John I haven't lost 6.5 teeth in my entire (considerable) adult life, let alone the last 10 years. I don't think that I could come up with anyone in my extended family or friends, who has lost that many either. Where did this little gem of a 'fact' come from - "Dentistry for Beginners", published 1802, maybe ? Arfa I just did the math. 20 baby teeth, 32 adult teeth, 80 year lifespan. John Been doing MTBF calculations recently? |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... ian field wrote: "Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:04 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote: "ian field" wrote in message ... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I think the capacitors have sharted ... Is that a portmanteau word? Perhaps a mixture of "shorted" and "farted"... You obviously haven't smelled one after its vented. Oh, yes I have. Not just vented, but exploded... 8 of them today in fact, in PC power supplies. Ever connected to another phase instead of neutral? And no it wasn't me. But he's gonna pay for it. You're a goddamned idiot if you are in a setting where AC power lines get toyed with. He's just making up stories, the UK has strict regulations on 3-ph wiring to prevent a single phase appliance being exposed to more than one phase. You have to watch out though, some of PHucker's fairy tales are vaguely plausible! You mena that he might really have one parrot? Apparently there are witnesses to the parrot breeding operation. With some breeds selling for up to £4,500 I wonder how much he bothers telling the tax man. |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:44:59 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:29:54 -0800, John Larkin wrote: On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:31:27 -0000, "Arfa Daily" wrote: "John Larkin" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:44:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. I suppose that means smoking is good for dental health. John I haven't lost 6.5 teeth in my entire (considerable) adult life, let alone the last 10 years. I don't think that I could come up with anyone in my extended family or friends, who has lost that many either. Where did this little gem of a 'fact' come from - "Dentistry for Beginners", published 1802, maybe ? Arfa I just did the math. 20 baby teeth, 32 adult teeth, 80 year lifespan. John Been doing MTBF calculations recently? Actually, yes. Some of our customers insist on having the silly numbers. Our actual field failure rates are generally several times better than MIL-HBK or Bellcore calculated values. Unless there's a real problem, in which case it's worse until we fix it. You might as weigh it and apply a FITS/gram factor. John |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:40:34 -0800, "William Sommerwerck"
wrote: I just did the math. 20 baby teeth, 32 adult teeth, 80 year lifespan. Losing your adult teeth is neither universal nor inevitable. I've lost only one of them -- due to a crack likely caused by a genetic defect. I expect to have all the rest when I die. I lost four wisdom teeth, all at once. John |
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I just did the math. 20 baby teeth, 32 adult teeth, 80 year lifespan.
Losing your adult teeth is neither universal nor inevitable. I've lost only one of them -- due to a crack likely caused by a genetic defect. I expect to have all the rest when I die. I lost four wisdom teeth, all at once. I had all four of mine extracted in 1970. But the deliberate extraction of commonly impacted teeth is not a "loss". |
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"William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I just did the math. 20 baby teeth, 32 adult teeth, 80 year lifespan. Losing your adult teeth is neither universal nor inevitable. I've lost only one of them -- due to a crack likely caused by a genetic defect. I expect to have all the rest when I die. I lost four wisdom teeth, all at once. I had all four of mine extracted in 1970. But the deliberate extraction of commonly impacted teeth is not a "loss". I likewise had all of my wisdom teeth removed in ~1980. And it was no loss :). |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:29:54 -0000, John Larkin wrote:
On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:31:27 -0000, "Arfa Daily" wrote: "John Larkin" wrote in message . .. On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:44:39 -0800, Archimedes' Lever wrote: On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: A pack-a-day smoker will lose approximately 2 teeth every 10 years. But the average person loses about 6.5 teeth every 10 years. I suppose that means smoking is good for dental health. John I haven't lost 6.5 teeth in my entire (considerable) adult life, let alone the last 10 years. I don't think that I could come up with anyone in my extended family or friends, who has lost that many either. Where did this little gem of a 'fact' come from - "Dentistry for Beginners", published 1802, maybe ? Arfa I just did the math. 20 baby teeth, 32 adult teeth, 80 year lifespan. I think my sig made the assumption that people with baby teeth don't smoke yet. -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to see it, do the other trees make fun of it? |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:45:51 -0000, Archimedes' Lever wrote:
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:04 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote: "ian field" wrote in message ... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I think the capacitors have sharted ... Is that a portmanteau word? Perhaps a mixture of "shorted" and "farted"... You obviously haven't smelled one after its vented. Oh, yes I have. Not just vented, but exploded... 8 of them today in fact, in PC power supplies. Ever connected to another phase instead of neutral? And no it wasn't me. But he's gonna pay for it. You're a goddamned idiot if you are in a setting where AC power lines get toyed with. The building I work in is being extended and refurbished (involving rewiring). What would you suggest I do? Apart form insist they stop using Irish electricians? -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com "First things first, but not necessarily in that order." - Doctor Who |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:36:23 -0000, Zootal wrote:
He's just making up stories, the UK has strict regulations on 3-ph wiring to prevent a single phase appliance being exposed to more than one phase. So because there is a regulation, this magically stops a clumsy/stupid/ignorant/sleepy electrician from mixing up the British and EEC wiring colours and connecting the wrong things to the load? We got two phases connected to the load instead of phase and neutral. A few surge protector plugs were no longer plug shaped, and were not the original colour. You have to watch out though, some of PHucker's fairy tales are vaguely plausible! Regulations don't stop accidents or idiots. My neighbor down the road had her appliances fried because of a power co. employee screwup. They happily replaced her appliances and everyone was very glad she didn't get electrocuted or had her house burn down. Stuff happens. -- http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners. |
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ian field wrote: "Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message ... ian field wrote: "Archimedes' Lever" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 19:34:17 -0000, "Peter Hucker" wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 23:30:04 -0000, William Sommerwerck wrote: "ian field" wrote in message ... "William Sommerwerck" wrote in message ... I think the capacitors have sharted ... Is that a portmanteau word? Perhaps a mixture of "shorted" and "farted"... You obviously haven't smelled one after its vented. Oh, yes I have. Not just vented, but exploded... 8 of them today in fact, in PC power supplies. Ever connected to another phase instead of neutral? And no it wasn't me. But he's gonna pay for it. You're a goddamned idiot if you are in a setting where AC power lines get toyed with. He's just making up stories, the UK has strict regulations on 3-ph wiring to prevent a single phase appliance being exposed to more than one phase. You have to watch out though, some of PHucker's fairy tales are vaguely plausible! You mena that he might really have one parrot? Apparently there are witnesses to the parrot breeding operation. Parrot breeding? I figured he was a pervert. :( He's as bad as Phil, and his sheep. With some breeds selling for up to £4,500 I wonder how much he bothers telling the tax man. Report him and find out. -- http://improve-usenet.org/index.html aioe.org, Goggle Groups, and Web TV users must request to be white listed, or I will not see your messages. If you have broadband, your ISP may have a NNTP news server included in your account: http://www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm There are two kinds of people on this earth: The crazy, and the insane. The first sign of insanity is denying that you're crazy. |
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