Electrolytics question - update
 

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2008-12-10, Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Jasen Betts wrote:

On 2008-12-09, Peter Hucker wrote:
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:48:42 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:34:45 -0500, "Tom Del Rosso"
wrote:

"flipper" wrote in message
om
On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 23:02:25 +0000, Eeyore
wrote:

Well..... I never recall DOS crashing !

There's a good reason for that. DOS doesn't 'do' much of anything.

Oh, I remember it crashing and freezing, but it was always because of the
app, not the OS.

As you just said, you remember the *app* crashing and freezing.

DOS was (is) basically a program loader and control of the machine
goes to the app so unless, in it's brain dead stupor as it crashes, it
hands control back to the CLI then that's all she wrote.

What about managing TSRs?

they bascially took care of themselves.

Sure they did. Most remained in the system RAM, and used resources,
until you rebooted. Very few did a clean exit when they were finished.

that's because they weren't designed to finish.


That's what SR in TSR meant 'Stay Resident'. Some tied up other
resources they were no longer using as well, because they were so poorly
written.


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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
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"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't
know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

I had a grumble at a manager at the local supermarket as to why they
never seem
to have 1/2 size baguettes any more. Apparently there's a shortage of
*bakers*
! So he says. I guess school taught them all to be environmentalists,
health
and safety workers, estate agents (realtors), rock stars and so on.

Graham


My local Co-op store sells half baguettes from the "French Cuisine" (or
some such - can't quite remember now ...) range. My wife also sells many
half baguettes every day in the cafe she owns. Readily available from both
one of her suppliers, and the cash and carry warehouse she uses. None of
those sources seem to have any trouble supplying, so presumably, aren't
short of bakers !

Arfa


PHucker is better at cooking up fantasies.

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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't
know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

I had a grumble at a manager at the local supermarket as to why they
never seem
to have 1/2 size baguettes any more. Apparently there's a shortage of
*bakers*
! So he says. I guess school taught them all to be environmentalists,
health
and safety workers, estate agents (realtors), rock stars and so on.

Graham


My local Co-op store sells half baguettes from the "French Cuisine" (or
some such - can't quite remember now ...) range. My wife also sells many
half baguettes every day in the cafe she owns. Readily available from both
one of her suppliers, and the cash and carry warehouse she uses. None of
those sources seem to have any trouble supplying, so presumably, aren't
short of bakers !

Arfa


PHucker is better at cooking up fantasies.

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"Peter Hucker" wrote in message

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 02:25:05 -0000, flipper wrote:

DOS simply loads TSRs, it doesn't 'manage' them.

Then what gives each program time on the CPU?

They hook interrupts, and after the interrupt handler in the TSR is finished
it passes control back to whatever had the interrupt before, which could be
another TSR that loaded first.


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ian field wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't
know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

I had a grumble at a manager at the local supermarket as to why they
never seem
to have 1/2 size baguettes any more. Apparently there's a shortage of
*bakers*
! So he says. I guess school taught them all to be environmentalists,
health
and safety workers, estate agents (realtors), rock stars and so on.

Graham


My local Co-op store sells half baguettes from the "French Cuisine" (or
some such - can't quite remember now ...) range. My wife also sells many
half baguettes every day in the cafe she owns. Readily available from both
one of her suppliers, and the cash and carry warehouse she uses. None of
those sources seem to have any trouble supplying, so presumably, aren't
short of bakers !

Arfa


PHucker is better at cooking up fantasies.



What else would you expect from someone who lives in a fantasy world?


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ian field wrote:

"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't
know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

I had a grumble at a manager at the local supermarket as to why they
never seem
to have 1/2 size baguettes any more. Apparently there's a shortage of
*bakers*
! So he says. I guess school taught them all to be environmentalists,
health
and safety workers, estate agents (realtors), rock stars and so on.

Graham


My local Co-op store sells half baguettes from the "French Cuisine" (or
some such - can't quite remember now ...) range. My wife also sells many
half baguettes every day in the cafe she owns. Readily available from both
one of her suppliers, and the cash and carry warehouse she uses. None of
those sources seem to have any trouble supplying, so presumably, aren't
short of bakers !

Arfa


PHucker is better at cooking up fantasies.



What else would you expect from someone who lives in a fantasy world?


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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?


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Peter Hucker wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?

Because it's usually quicker & easier than a GUI. Firefox, for
example, annoys me greatly with its helper application dialog. It
requires you to browse for the helper program, starting in my $HOME
directory. By the time I've clicked and paged and generally screwed
around with the stupid GUI, I could have easily typed in, say
/bin/vim. Or even done a find ... in another window and copied and
pasted the path in.

Jerry

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Peter Hucker wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?

Because it's usually quicker & easier than a GUI. Firefox, for
example, annoys me greatly with its helper application dialog. It
requires you to browse for the helper program, starting in my $HOME
directory. By the time I've clicked and paged and generally screwed
around with the stupid GUI, I could have easily typed in, say
/bin/vim. Or even done a find ... in another window and copied and
pasted the path in.

Jerry

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?

What is the alternative?

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There was an old professor who started every class with a vulgar joke. After one particularly nasty example, the women in the class decided to walk out the next time he started.
The professor got wind of this plot, so the next morning he walked in and said, "Good morning, class. Did you hear the one about the shortage of whores in India?"
With that, all the women stood up and headed for the door.
"Wait ladies!" cried the professor. "The boat doesn't leave until tomorrow!"

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?

What is the alternative?

--
http://www.petersparrots.com http://www.insanevideoclips.com http://www.petersphotos.com

There was an old professor who started every class with a vulgar joke. After one particularly nasty example, the women in the class decided to walk out the next time he started.
The professor got wind of this plot, so the next morning he walked in and said, "Good morning, class. Did you hear the one about the shortage of whores in India?"
With that, all the women stood up and headed for the door.
"Wait ladies!" cried the professor. "The boat doesn't leave until tomorrow!"

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:08:36 -0000, Jerry Peters wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?

Because it's usually quicker & easier than a GUI. Firefox, for
example, annoys me greatly with its helper application dialog. It
requires you to browse for the helper program, starting in my $HOME
directory. By the time I've clicked and paged and generally screwed
around with the stupid GUI, I could have easily typed in, say
/bin/vim. Or even done a find ... in another window and copied and
pasted the path in.

Depends on how fast you are at typing, and how fast at clicking.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:08:36 -0000, Jerry Peters wrote:

Peter Hucker wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?

Because it's usually quicker & easier than a GUI. Firefox, for
example, annoys me greatly with its helper application dialog. It
requires you to browse for the helper program, starting in my $HOME
directory. By the time I've clicked and paged and generally screwed
around with the stupid GUI, I could have easily typed in, say
/bin/vim. Or even done a find ... in another window and copied and
pasted the path in.

Depends on how fast you are at typing, and how fast at clicking.

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?

What is the alternative?


Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.


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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?

What is the alternative?


Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:53:20 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?

What is the alternative?


Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown to be wrong.

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:53:20 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?

What is the alternative?


Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown to be wrong.


In that case you would be drooling and smashing your computer,
wouldn't you? Once again, you've proved yourself to be an idiot.



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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:27:48 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:53:20 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?

What is the alternative?


Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown to be wrong.


In that case you would be drooling and smashing your computer,
wouldn't you?

Cut the "I know you are" bull****. You sound like a 6 year old, or Ian Field, whichever is closest to hand.

Once again, you've proved yourself to be an idiot.

No such thing has been proved.

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1. Select reading material (can be anything except a porn-mag; tried by every man once, but never repeated -* see step 4).
2. Tell everyone along the way, "Just going for a dump, okay?" Always tell girlfriend/wife, especially when she has visitors.
3. Pull pants and trousers around ankles, then sit down.
4 Adjust penis and testicles to hang comfortably without touching the toilet rim.
5. Open reading material and relax.
6. Whilst waiting, it is traditional to audibly fart.
7. Sigh loudly as the first one bullets out. It is quite normal to experience a cold jet of water rocket up your anus as a result of the first bomb. This is to be endured if you want to be a real man.
8. Remain sitting and reading until pins-and-needles set in to your legs and buttocks.
9. Rise and look at the poo. Make mental notes of any irregularities to report to friends and girlfriend/wife, e.g. colour, consistency, any visible traces of peanuts, etc. You must tell people about it.
10. Take long length of paper and wipe anus. You must* look at the paper before throwing it into the pan.
11. Repeat step 10 until there is no longer any evidence of faeces on the paper.
12. Flush. If there is any residue left on the pan, under no circumstances attempt to clean it off. In due course, it will come away by itself. Or, when your girlfriend/wife next uses the loo.
13. Leave the seat up. Leave the reading material on the floor (you can use it again later).
14. Wash your hands once.
15. Vacate the bathroom, leaving the door open. It is important to a man's self-esteem that other people smell his produce.

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Peter Hucker wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:27:48 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:53:20 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:33:57 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:09:25 -0000, Michael A. Terrell wrote:


Peter Hucker wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.


I guess that a CLI is to complicated for you to use.

I use it on occasion as required. But why use it when you don't have to?


Why post to usenet when you don't have to?

What is the alternative?


Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown to be wrong.


In that case you would be drooling and smashing your computer,
wouldn't you?

Cut the "I know you are" bull****. You sound like a 6 year old, or Ian Field, whichever is closest to hand.

Once again, you've proved yourself to be an idiot.

No such thing has been proved.


Nothing can be proved to a mule, or an idiot.


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On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:27:25 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.

You probably do. You just don't know it.

RL

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"Peter Hucker" wrote in message

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:53:20 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown
to be wrong.

Actually the sigs are stupid. I hadn't read them until he mentioned it, but
they are very, very stupid.


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Tom Del Rosso wrote:

"Peter Hucker" wrote
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown
to be wrong.

Actually the sigs are stupid. I hadn't read them until he mentioned it, but
they are very, very stupid.

Really, I rather like them.

Graham

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:04 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:14:15 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:31:38 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:07:18 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:55:11 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:18:59 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:53:15 -0000, Eeyore wrote:

Aside from the fact it runs slower than XP on the same hardware

You're not supposed to put newer software on old equipment. Memory is cheap, just add some.

That might have some validity if there was anything useful added.

But needing twice the memory to run the same thing as before isn't any
'better' than needing twice the processor for the same performance.

It's not the same thing at all.

I was being generous but you're right. It's slower even with twice the
memory.

Slower at what process?

So much for Microsoft's marketing strategy of selling upgrade
versions, eh?

I didn't write that clearly. It's fine to put a new OS on old equipment, just upgrade it a little. Memory is cheap and is the main factor preventing a newer OS from functioning well.

Under your theory, what is the point of buying faster hardware to run
slower software so you end up where you started?

You don't end up where you started, you get more features

You mean 'features' like having to tell it twice over that, yes, you
really do want to run the program you already asked it to run?

I switched that off. Yes it was a silly idea, presumably intended to cover up some security problems.

You have to guess/presume?

You weren't supposed to take that word literally.

Or the
'productivity feature' of being able to make a video your background
instead of suffering with it in a window?

Never tried it.

Good choice. No reason to make it slower than it already is.

I do not find it slow. I had Windows XP 32 bit on a machine. I installed Windows Vista 64 bit on that machine and increased the memory from 1GB to 3GB. It's the same speed in use. And in fact starts twice as fast.

And of course, the biggie: transparent window borders. That one is so
useful I now print documents on special paper with cellophane around
the edges.

That is very useful. I don't have to peak under things to see stuff underneath.

What a joke.

Besides not being able to read anything through the 'transparent blur'
even if you could the odds that something 'useful' would, by
happenstance, be in just the right spot under the border makes it
useless.

I don't try to read through it, but I can see what's under it. It just looks more natural. Would you rather we all went back to the pre-GUI days?

and less bugs.

LOL

How can you tell with half your software gone because it's
'incompatible'?

I lost zero software. Including some dodgy stuff I though M$ would prevent operating like CloneDVD.

Glad to hear it but unless you imagine they made Vista for just you
then your fortunate luck doesn't mean anything.

I know many people with Vista, and nobody has complained about not being able to use anything except perhaps the odd third party freebie utility.

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 04:21:54 -0000, legg wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:27:25 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:16:36 -0000, Eeyore wrote:



ian field wrote:

PHucker claims to be the tech support in a computer firm yet doesn't know
about something as simple and basic as a TSR!

You just can't get the staff these days !

We don't use out of date DOS crap.

You probably do. You just don't know it.

I use something and don't know about it? That is not possible.

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:23:12 -0000, Tom Del Rosso wrote:


"Peter Hucker" wrote in message

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:53:20 -0000, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:

Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown
to be wrong.

Actually the sigs are stupid. I hadn't read them until he mentioned it, but
they are very, very stupid.

They are there for the benefit of others, not me. And until the number of complaints outweighs the number of compliments, they stay. At the moment the ratio is about 1 complaint : 5 compliments.

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"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Tom Del Rosso wrote:

"Peter Hucker" wrote
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown
to be wrong.

Actually the sigs are stupid. I hadn't read them until he mentioned it,
but
they are very, very stupid.

Really, I rather like them.

Graham


You do set yourself up for it don't you!

Electrolytics question - update
 

ian field wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
"Peter Hucker" wrote
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown
to be wrong.

Actually the sigs are stupid. I hadn't read them until he mentioned it,
but they are very, very stupid.

Really, I rather like them.


You do set yourself up for it don't you!

They certainly amuse me. What am I supposedly being 'set up' for ?

Graham

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"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


ian field wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Tom Del Rosso wrote:
"Peter Hucker" wrote
Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Keeping your ignorance, and stupid sig files to yourself.

You seem a little upset. People only get upset when they are shown
to be wrong.

Actually the sigs are stupid. I hadn't read them until he mentioned
it,
but they are very, very stupid.

Really, I rather like them.


You do set yourself up for it don't you!

They certainly amuse me. What am I supposedly being 'set up' for ?

Graham



I must admit, I found the 'ten steps to crapping like a man', particularly
amusing. I think I could identify with at least nine of them ... ! :-)

Arfa

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"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:48:06 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:04 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:14:15 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:31:38 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:07:18 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:55:11 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:18:59 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:53:15 -0000, Eeyore
wrote:

Aside from the fact it runs slower than XP on the same hardware

You're not supposed to put newer software on old equipment. Memory
is cheap, just add some.

That might have some validity if there was anything useful added.

But needing twice the memory to run the same thing as before isn't any
'better' than needing twice the processor for the same performance.

It's not the same thing at all.

I was being generous but you're right. It's slower even with twice the
memory.

Slower at what process?

The 'process' of being a desktop computer.

So much for Microsoft's marketing strategy of selling upgrade
versions, eh?

I didn't write that clearly. It's fine to put a new OS on old
equipment, just upgrade it a little. Memory is cheap and is the main
factor preventing a newer OS from functioning well.

Under your theory, what is the point of buying faster hardware to
run
slower software so you end up where you started?

You don't end up where you started, you get more features

You mean 'features' like having to tell it twice over that, yes, you
really do want to run the program you already asked it to run?

I switched that off. Yes it was a silly idea, presumably intended to
cover up some security problems.

You have to guess/presume?

You weren't supposed to take that word literally.

Then don't use the word.

What was I 'supposed' to do? Substitute whatever suits my fancy for
what you said?


PHucker will probably accuse you of doing exactly that at some point!

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"flipper" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:48:06 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:04 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:14:15 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:31:38 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:07:18 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:55:11 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:18:59 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:53:15 -0000, Eeyore
wrote:

Aside from the fact it runs slower than XP on the same hardware

You're not supposed to put newer software on old equipment. Memory
is cheap, just add some.

That might have some validity if there was anything useful added.

But needing twice the memory to run the same thing as before isn't any
'better' than needing twice the processor for the same performance.

It's not the same thing at all.

I was being generous but you're right. It's slower even with twice the
memory.

Slower at what process?

The 'process' of being a desktop computer.

So much for Microsoft's marketing strategy of selling upgrade
versions, eh?

I didn't write that clearly. It's fine to put a new OS on old
equipment, just upgrade it a little. Memory is cheap and is the main
factor preventing a newer OS from functioning well.

Under your theory, what is the point of buying faster hardware to
run
slower software so you end up where you started?

You don't end up where you started, you get more features

You mean 'features' like having to tell it twice over that, yes, you
really do want to run the program you already asked it to run?

I switched that off. Yes it was a silly idea, presumably intended to
cover up some security problems.

You have to guess/presume?

You weren't supposed to take that word literally.

Then don't use the word.

What was I 'supposed' to do? Substitute whatever suits my fancy for
what you said?


PHucker will probably accuse you of doing exactly that at some point!

Electrolytics question - update
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:50:17 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:48:06 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:04 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:14:15 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:31:38 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:07:18 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:55:11 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:18:59 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

snip

That might have some validity if there was anything useful added.

But needing twice the memory to run the same thing as before isn't any
'better' than needing twice the processor for the same performance.

It's not the same thing at all.

I was being generous but you're right. It's slower even with twice the
memory.

Slower at what process?

The 'process' of being a desktop computer.

That is not very specific. What do you find it takes longer dto do? I have not yet found anything that is slower. I have found several operations that are more efficient though. The filing system is much better at copying (you get more choices if files are to be overwritten for example, and renaming files doesn't highlight the extension).

So much for Microsoft's marketing strategy of selling upgrade
versions, eh?

I didn't write that clearly. It's fine to put a new OS on old equipment, just upgrade it a little. Memory is cheap and is the main factor preventing a newer OS from functioning well.

Under your theory, what is the point of buying faster hardware to run
slower software so you end up where you started?

You don't end up where you started, you get more features

You mean 'features' like having to tell it twice over that, yes, you
really do want to run the program you already asked it to run?

I switched that off. Yes it was a silly idea, presumably intended to cover up some security problems.

You have to guess/presume?

You weren't supposed to take that word literally.

Then don't use the word.

What was I 'supposed' to do? Substitute whatever suits my fancy for
what you said?

Use context and stop pretending to be a robot.

Or the
'productivity feature' of being able to make a video your background
instead of suffering with it in a window?

Never tried it.

Good choice. No reason to make it slower than it already is.

I do not find it slow. I had Windows XP 32 bit on a machine. I installed Windows Vista 64 bit on that machine

Try comparing apples to apples, like 64 bit to 64 bit or 32 bit to 32
bit.

It works in the favour of my argument, the 64 bit OS is more hefty, and I would expect it to be slower if anything.

and increased the memory from 1GB to 3GB.

That's three times the memory, not twice.

Who said "twice"?

It's the same speed in use.

Thank you for making my point, You used three times (vs twice) the
memory to get right back where you started.

Why do you keep saying "twice"? And I'm not where I started, it's the same speed, but better.

And in fact starts twice as fast.

I guess throwing up a splash screen works for you but I judge load
times by when things become fully operational.

From pressing the power switch to the network logon prompt is considerably faster. From the network logon prompt to everything being loaded and at full speed is about the same.

And of course, the biggie: transparent window borders. That one is so
useful I now print documents on special paper with cellophane around
the edges.

That is very useful. I don't have to peak under things to see stuff underneath.

What a joke.

Besides not being able to read anything through the 'transparent blur'
even if you could the odds that something 'useful' would, by
happenstance, be in just the right spot under the border makes it
useless.

I don't try to read through it, but I can see what's under it. It just looks more natural.

You mean 'looks pretty'.

Would you rather we all went back to the pre-GUI days?

That's a stupid question because there's nothing about a GUI that
'requires' transparent window borders.

A GUI is there so you're not staring at a boring text screen. The nicer it looks the better.

and less bugs.

LOL

How can you tell with half your software gone because it's
'incompatible'?

I lost zero software. Including some dodgy stuff I though M$ would prevent operating like CloneDVD.

Glad to hear it but unless you imagine they made Vista for just you
then your fortunate luck doesn't mean anything.

I know many people with Vista, and nobody has complained about not being able to use anything except perhaps the odd third party freebie utility.

Then you either don't know as 'many' people as you claim or they only
use the limited software set you do but compatibility problems with
Vista are legion and that's one reason, in addition to all the
hardware incompatibilities, why MS has their 'Vista Upgrade Advisor."

Things have gotten better as vendors struggle to patch and 'upgrade'
their products to work with Vista but that doesn't solve everyone's
problem, especially if they're on an older version where their only
choice might be to buy the latest release or do without.

List a few things that have compatibility problems then. For christ's sake I don't even have many problems with games, and they're usually the worst offender.

And you do people a disservice by claiming they can upgrade and
'everything' except "perhaps the odd third party freebie utility" is
going to work just fine afterwards.

Haven't had a complaint yet.

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"Peter Hucker" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:50:17 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:48:06 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:04 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:14:15 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:31:38 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:07:18 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:55:11 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:18:59 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

snip

That might have some validity if there was anything useful added.

But needing twice the memory to run the same thing as before isn't
any
'better' than needing twice the processor for the same performance.

It's not the same thing at all.

I was being generous but you're right. It's slower even with twice the
memory.

Slower at what process?

The 'process' of being a desktop computer.

That is not very specific. What do you find it takes longer dto do? I
have not yet found anything that is slower. I have found several
operations that are more efficient though. The filing system is much
better at copying (you get more choices if files are to be overwritten for
example, and renaming files doesn't highlight the extension).

So much for Microsoft's marketing strategy of selling upgrade
versions, eh?

I didn't write that clearly. It's fine to put a new OS on old
equipment, just upgrade it a little. Memory is cheap and is the main
factor preventing a newer OS from functioning well.

Under your theory, what is the point of buying faster hardware to
run
slower software so you end up where you started?

You don't end up where you started, you get more features

You mean 'features' like having to tell it twice over that, yes, you
really do want to run the program you already asked it to run?

I switched that off. Yes it was a silly idea, presumably intended to
cover up some security problems.

You have to guess/presume?

You weren't supposed to take that word literally.

Then don't use the word.

What was I 'supposed' to do? Substitute whatever suits my fancy for
what you said?

Use context and stop pretending to be a robot.

Or the
'productivity feature' of being able to make a video your background
instead of suffering with it in a window?

Never tried it.

Good choice. No reason to make it slower than it already is.

I do not find it slow. I had Windows XP 32 bit on a machine. I
installed Windows Vista 64 bit on that machine

Try comparing apples to apples, like 64 bit to 64 bit or 32 bit to 32
bit.

It works in the favour of my argument, the 64 bit OS is more hefty, and I
would expect it to be slower if anything.


Isn't a 64 bit OS to fully utilise a 64 bit architecture - which shifts more
bytes at a time to go faster?

Electrolytics question - update
 

"Peter Hucker" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 02:50:17 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:48:06 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 03:45:04 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:14:15 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 01:31:38 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:07:18 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

On Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:55:11 -0000, flipper wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:18:59 -0000, "Peter Hucker"
wrote:

snip

That might have some validity if there was anything useful added.

But needing twice the memory to run the same thing as before isn't
any
'better' than needing twice the processor for the same performance.

It's not the same thing at all.

I was being generous but you're right. It's slower even with twice the
memory.

Slower at what process?

The 'process' of being a desktop computer.

That is not very specific. What do you find it takes longer dto do? I
have not yet found anything that is slower. I have found several
operations that are more efficient though. The filing system is much
better at copying (you get more choices if files are to be overwritten for
example, and renaming files doesn't highlight the extension).

So much for Microsoft's marketing strategy of selling upgrade
versions, eh?

I didn't write that clearly. It's fine to put a new OS on old
equipment, just upgrade it a little. Memory is cheap and is the main
factor preventing a newer OS from functioning well.

Under your theory, what is the point of buying faster hardware to
run
slower software so you end up where you started?

You don't end up where you started, you get more features

You mean 'features' like having to tell it twice over that, yes, you
really do want to run the program you already asked it to run?

I switched that off. Yes it was a silly idea, presumably intended to
cover up some security problems.

You have to guess/presume?

You weren't supposed to take that word literally.

Then don't use the word.

What was I 'supposed' to do? Substitute whatever suits my fancy for
what you said?

Use context and stop pretending to be a robot.

Or the
'productivity feature' of being able to make a video your background
instead of suffering with it in a window?

Never tried it.

Good choice. No reason to make it slower than it already is.

I do not find it slow. I had Windows XP 32 bit on a machine. I
installed Windows Vista 64 bit on that machine

Try comparing apples to apples, like 64 bit to 64 bit or 32 bit to 32
bit.

It works in the favour of my argument, the 64 bit OS is more hefty, and I
would expect it to be slower if anything.


Isn't a 64 bit OS to fully utilise a 64 bit architecture - which shifts more
bytes at a time to go faster?

Electrolytics question - update
 

ian field wrote:

Isn't a 64 bit OS to fully utilise a 64 bit architecture

I doubt it in Microsoft's case.

But there was 32 bit DOS and that FLEW.

Graham