** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



....... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil


Someone with a carbon footprint has put his/her carbon foot in it!

Chris

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:18:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil



The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable
CFLs, cheap too. All are subsidized by the local utility, PG&E.

John

"John Larkin" schreef in
bericht ...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:18:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil



The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable
CFLs, cheap too. All are subsidized by the local utility, PG&E.

John


So payed by taxpayers. Which we call a cigar from your own box.

petrus bitbyter

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??

No, it's just the usual case where the people writing these sorts of documents
usually have little or no formal engineering background, so they're not up on
what the acronym stands for or able to evaluate if it makes any sense.

"Joel Koltner"

"Phil Allison"
Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to
suit them ??

No, it's just the usual case where the people writing these sorts of
documents usually have little or no formal engineering background,


** Completely irrelevant to knowing the name of a common consumer product.


so they're not up on what the acronym stands for


** Shame how it is widely published and very easy to look up.

Just enter CFL into Google.

or able to evaluate if it makes any sense.


** The word " compact " is no brain teaser

- you pathetic autistic.




.... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??

Sound like a real estate finance office has found a new line of work.

And we all know that republicans are responsible for that mess.

Lying is nothing new for them.

"Give your money here, ignore the man behind the curtain"

donald

Phil Allison wrote:
** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil




I thought it stood for Crappy Fxxxxx Lamps

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P

"RFI-EMI-GUY"
Phil Allison wrote:
** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to
suit them ??



I thought it stood for Crappy Fxxxxx Lamps


** LOL !



..... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
** The word " compact " is no brain teaser

Other way around, Phil... sure, "compact fluorescent lamp" makes sense, but
there are plenty of people who wouldn't immediately think "carbon fluorescent
lamp" *doesn't* make sense because they don't really know how a fluorescent
lamp works anyway.

"John Larkin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:18:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil



The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable

Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?

Recently I bought a remote controlled lightswitch for reading in bed,
understood regular CFLs can't be dimmed but I was hoping it would work for
just the on/off function - it doesn't!

A while back one of the supermarkets unloaded CFLs at silly prices so I
bought loads, that means I have enough to break a few open and experiment
with modifications.

Joel Koltner wrote:

"Phil Allison" wrote in message

** The word " compact " is no brain teaser

Other way around, Phil... sure, "compact fluorescent lamp" makes sense, but
there are plenty of people who wouldn't immediately think "carbon fluorescent
lamp" *doesn't* make sense because they don't really know how a fluorescent
lamp works anyway.

You can be sure of that !

Graham

"Joel Koltner"
"Phil Allison"
** The word " compact " is no brain teaser

Other way around, Phil... sure, "compact fluorescent lamp" makes sense,
but there are plenty of people who wouldn't immediately think "carbon
fluorescent lamp" *doesn't* make sense because they don't really know how
a fluorescent lamp works anyway.


** Got nothing to do with making technical sense.

The error was made by some one with the word " carbon " on the brain and
then others mindlessly copied that error into the leaflet.

The leaflet does not provide a source for the info - but you can bet it
came from an environmental group promoting the use of CFLs as a way of
minimising one's " carbon footprint ".




...... Phil

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 18:14:30 +0100, "ian field"
wrote:


"John Larkin" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:18:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:


** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil



The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable

Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?

Recently I bought a remote controlled lightswitch for reading in bed,
understood regular CFLs can't be dimmed but I was hoping it would work for
just the on/off function - it doesn't!

A while back one of the supermarkets unloaded CFLs at silly prices so I
bought loads, that means I have enough to break a few open and experiment
with modifications.


The dimmable ones I saw also claimed 0.9 power factor. So the
front-end isn't the conventional diode+filter cap, it must be a
PFC-type tracking boost converter. There's probably a bridge
rectifier, inductor, boost converter fet, diode, cap, and a smart IC
in the front end.

That hopefully overcomes a major problem with CFLs... that they often
don't work with dimmers and a lot of other electronic controls, like
motion sensors.

John

"ian field"


Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?


** Most CFLs can be successfully dimmed with a variac or equivalent device
that reduces the AC input voltage.

The problem is their incompatibility with a phase controlled triac dimmer
and switches involving triacs.

Typically, if you run a CFL on such a dimmer, there is little control over
the light output, the lamp makes sharp buzzing noise, some settings produce
flashing and the lamp burns out or CATCHES FIRE after not too long.

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/i...scent.htm#dim2

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/i...ent.htm#switch

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/incandescent.htm#pf

The pics in Figs 8, 11 and 12 were taken by me.



...... Phil

"John Larkin"

The dimmable ones I saw also claimed 0.9 power factor. So the
front-end isn't the conventional diode+filter cap, it must be a
PFC-type tracking boost converter. There's probably a bridge
rectifier, inductor, boost converter fet, diode, cap, and a smart IC
in the front end.


** Hardly compatible with a variable, chopped sine wave input that rises to
340 volts in 1 uS.



....... Phil

John Larkin wrote:

"ian field" wrote:
"John Larkin" wrote
"Phil Allison" wrote:

** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??

The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable

Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?

Recently I bought a remote controlled lightswitch for reading in bed,
understood regular CFLs can't be dimmed but I was hoping it would work for
just the on/off function - it doesn't!

A while back one of the supermarkets unloaded CFLs at silly prices so I
bought loads, that means I have enough to break a few open and experiment
with modifications.

The dimmable ones I saw also claimed 0.9 power factor. So the
front-end isn't the conventional diode+filter cap, it must be a
PFC-type tracking boost converter. There's probably a bridge
rectifier, inductor, boost converter fet, diode, cap, and a smart IC
in the front end.

That hopefully overcomes a major problem with CFLs... that they often
don't work with dimmers and a lot of other electronic controls, like
motion sensors.

Take a look at the IR site. They had a few examples IIRC.

Graham

ian field wrote:
"John Larkin" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:18:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil


The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable

Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?

Recently I bought a remote controlled lightswitch for reading in bed,
understood regular CFLs can't be dimmed but I was hoping it would work for
just the on/off function - it doesn't!

A while back one of the supermarkets unloaded CFLs at silly prices so I
bought loads, that means I have enough to break a few open and experiment
with modifications.


That alone might be a good idea, the enclosure stops proper
cooling....

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"ian field"


Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?


** Most CFLs can be successfully dimmed with a variac or equivalent
device that reduces the AC input voltage.

The problem is their incompatibility with a phase controlled triac dimmer
and switches involving triacs.

Typically, if you run a CFL on such a dimmer, there is little control over
the light output, the lamp makes sharp buzzing noise, some settings
produce flashing and the lamp burns out or CATCHES FIRE after not too
long.

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/i...scent.htm#dim2

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/i...ent.htm#switch

http://sound.westhost.com/articles/incandescent.htm#pf

The pics in Figs 8, 11 and 12 were taken by me.



..... Phil



Interesting page - thanks.

"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
...
ian field wrote:
"John Larkin" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:18:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to
suit
them ??



...... Phil


The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable

Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?

Recently I bought a remote controlled lightswitch for reading in bed,
understood regular CFLs can't be dimmed but I was hoping it would work
for just the on/off function - it doesn't!

A while back one of the supermarkets unloaded CFLs at silly prices so I
bought loads, that means I have enough to break a few open and experiment
with modifications.
That alone might be a good idea, the enclosure stops proper
cooling....

Overheating seems to be a prime suspect in the short life expectancy of the
reservoir electrolytic, but the cap is small anyway due to the cramped
space.

Recently I've been pinching the boards out of CFLs to replace the dodgy
capacitive reactance ballasts in lantern style insect killers, usually I add
the ballast capacitor in parallel with the electrolytic on the CFL PCB -
secured with hot melt glue the 1uF capacitor makes a good mounting pillar
for the PCB. The bug lanterns are left on 24/7 and none have had
electrolytic failures after 2 summers use - but its difficult to prove
whether this is due to lower temperature running or padding the electrolytic
with a low ESR dry dielectric cap.

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Joel Koltner"
"Phil Allison"
** The word " compact " is no brain teaser

Other way around, Phil... sure, "compact fluorescent lamp" makes sense,
but there are plenty of people who wouldn't immediately think "carbon
fluorescent lamp" *doesn't* make sense because they don't really know how
a fluorescent lamp works anyway.


** Got nothing to do with making technical sense.

The error was made by some one with the word " carbon " on the brain and
then others mindlessly copied that error into the leaflet.

The leaflet does not provide a source for the info - but you can bet it
came from an environmental group promoting the use of CFLs as a way of
minimising one's " carbon footprint ".




..... Phil





Just further proof that the global warming fanatics on the whole aren't too
bright!

"Phil Allison" schreef in bericht
...

** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil


Carbon Filament Lamp? :-)

petrus bitbyter

"ian field" schreef in bericht
news

"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
...
ian field wrote:
"John Larkin" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:18:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to
suit
them ??



...... Phil


The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable

Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?

Recently I bought a remote controlled lightswitch for reading in bed,
understood regular CFLs can't be dimmed but I was hoping it would work
for just the on/off function - it doesn't!

A while back one of the supermarkets unloaded CFLs at silly prices so I
bought loads, that means I have enough to break a few open and
experiment with modifications.
That alone might be a good idea, the enclosure stops proper
cooling....

Overheating seems to be a prime suspect in the short life expectancy of
the reservoir electrolytic, but the cap is small anyway due to the cramped
space.

Recently I've been pinching the boards out of CFLs to replace the dodgy
capacitive reactance ballasts in lantern style insect killers, usually I
add the ballast capacitor in parallel with the electrolytic on the CFL
PCB - secured with hot melt glue the 1uF capacitor makes a good mounting
pillar for the PCB. The bug lanterns are left on 24/7 and none have had
electrolytic failures after 2 summers use - but its difficult to prove
whether this is due to lower temperature running or padding the
electrolytic with a low ESR dry dielectric cap.


Replaced a crappy conventional ballast in a 22W circline by the electronics
of a 20W CFL. Works for me for over a year by now even using a tube that did
not light with the old ballast anymore. The enclosure with the electronis is
some cm away from the tube and becomes only lukewarm.

petrus bitbyter

"petrus bitbyter"


Carbon Filament Lamp? :-)


** Thomas Alva would be very amused ...




...... Phil

"petrus bitbyter" wrote in message
ll.nl...

"ian field" schreef in bericht
news

"Sjouke Burry" wrote in message
...
ian field wrote:
"John Larkin" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:18:23 +1000, "Phil Allison"
wrote:

** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to
suit
them ??



...... Phil


The local RiteAid (chain drugstore) is selling small-globe 7 watt
CFLs, 4-pack for $1.99. They also have high-power-factor dimmable

Circuit wise, what's different about a dimmable CFL?

Recently I bought a remote controlled lightswitch for reading in bed,
understood regular CFLs can't be dimmed but I was hoping it would work
for just the on/off function - it doesn't!

A while back one of the supermarkets unloaded CFLs at silly prices so I
bought loads, that means I have enough to break a few open and
experiment with modifications.
That alone might be a good idea, the enclosure stops proper
cooling....

Overheating seems to be a prime suspect in the short life expectancy of
the reservoir electrolytic, but the cap is small anyway due to the
cramped space.

Recently I've been pinching the boards out of CFLs to replace the dodgy
capacitive reactance ballasts in lantern style insect killers, usually I
add the ballast capacitor in parallel with the electrolytic on the CFL
PCB - secured with hot melt glue the 1uF capacitor makes a good mounting
pillar for the PCB. The bug lanterns are left on 24/7 and none have had
electrolytic failures after 2 summers use - but its difficult to prove
whether this is due to lower temperature running or padding the
electrolytic with a low ESR dry dielectric cap.


Replaced a crappy conventional ballast in a 22W circline by the
electronics of a 20W CFL. Works for me for over a year by now even using a
tube that did not light with the old ballast anymore. The enclosure with
the electronis is some cm away from the tube and becomes only lukewarm.

petrus bitbyter


The one's I've been repairing come with tubes rated at 4W, the replacement
tubes I've been buying are marked 6W. The original tubes with the crappy
ballast didn't last a summer season, originally I bought 7W CFLs to pinch
the boards but some of the tubes had a pink glow at one end and didn't last
much longer, the 7W CFLs are sold in a pack of 2 for the same price as the
other packs of 1, the nearest they sell is 5W - these work well and last a
couple of summers (so far).

petrus bitbyter wrote:
"Phil Allison" schreef in bericht
...
** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to suit
them ??



...... Phil


Carbon Filament Lamp? :-)

petrus bitbyter



CFL = Carbonized Flaming Lawsuit

--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"©

"Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason?
For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

"Follow The Money" ;-P

"ItsASecretDummy" wrote in
message ...
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:20:51 -0400, RFI-EMI-GUY
wrote:

petrus bitbyter wrote:
"Phil Allison" schreef in bericht
...
** Hi all,

Just got a Q &A style leaflet printed by Energy Australia headed:

" CFL SAFETY "

The very first question reads:

Q. Do Carbon Fluorescent Lamps contain mercury ?


Oh dear, have rabid Greenies forced lamp makers to change the name to
suit
them ??



...... Phil


Carbon Filament Lamp? :-)

petrus bitbyter



CFL = Carbonized Flaming Lawsuit


CFL= (you guys) Cerebrally Fused Lamers

C***t flap leather.