On 15 Oct 2005 16:17:31 GMT, (Chuck
Sherwood) wrote:


Yes please use "facts" I sent . Please keep sending any questions you
Clarence

I'm still waiting to hear his "facts"...
Sounds like he is a bit sensitive about this to me...
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Hey Chuck,

Geez, I'm VERY sorry. Clarence replied immediately to me back on
October 8/05, and the reply/answer from Clarence was SUPPOSED to be
included in what I wrote to this thread on October 9/05. I just
screwed up!! Sorry about that!!

Clarence wrote:
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We (NAMES) were going to Bowling Green, but the hall owner found a
better paying tenant. So we ran like fury and found the hall at
downtown Toledo. This hall is real nice as you know with power,
phones, and air in the floor on 30 foot centers. No more
overheads.There is parking without going up and down hills, but it
costs $5 per day.

The news letter was a sad story, nobody wanted to take on the job. It
is very hard to find good articles for the letter. Maybe some day we
can start it up again.

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The "overheads" Clarence refers to are not the monetary costs, but
rather the method of providing the air lines and electricity to the
exhibitors and vendors tables and areas. They had to be "strung up"
above everything and not laid on the floor. It was possibly the
single most labour intensive and physically dangerous part of set-up
at either of the arenas. I assume there will still be the piping used
as air manifolds on the table tops, which is sometimes frustrating to
get it set up right, but still relatively easy as it's a "many hands
make light work" classic.

And I have to disagree with you about the part that Clarence is
"sensitive" about the issue. I think from the rest of the email
dialogue we had, that is not the case. Unhappy??Yes!! but there is
just no way to disseminate the information easily, and no doubt they
were not pleased at all to have to go through this. For instance, I
believe that the "poster/flyers" for 2006 were already done and handed
out at the 2005 show, and so will have to be re-distributed as either
reprinted, or at least "patched over", and at significant cost to the
"bottom line $", and lost time to the Directors.

And then, I should also have included the "next" email from Clarence
too:
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Brian

Thanks for the input.

The $35 fee is to unload a semi truck only. Cars and pickups etc. are
free.

The comment that the Southgate civic center said we could come back is
not true, as we never asked if we could. The main reason for the move
was the yearly uncertainty about the covering for the ice. We were
never sure that the cover would be available until just before the
show. If it would not be available, we would have to go buy enough
plywood to cover the ice, and find a way to store the wet plywood
until next year. Now you have heard the rest of the story.

Clarence Myers.
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And reference to the $35 above...the only semi's to require
"unloading" that I am aware of in the past years, are the Prazi
lathe/mill/CNC skids of stuff that John Szot sends via UPS or FedEX
from California, and the skids of catalogues handed out by Travers
Tools. No doubt there are others, but those are the only two that I
distinctly recall.

Once again, SORRY I left everybody hanging. Wasn't intentional, and
the delay is in part because I've been away for a few days (watching
the fall tree colours a bit north of here).

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.