On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:33:26 GMT, xray
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 08:12:06 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

Very true indeed. Forensics are quite good these days, and making any
fast attempt to cover anything up is gonna come down on you like a ton
of ****.

As is "dragging him into the house"

As long as you follow the reasonable man guide..in MOST states you
will be ok.

Some states require you to retreat. Some require you to annouce you
are armed, etc. Some allow you to shoot a trespasser unannounced in
the back, if its dark out. Shrug

I presented the "Must have reasonable fear" bit as its a very good
rule of thumb

Under a number of actual circumstances, you are quite legally able to
shoot a perp in the back, unannounced. A case in point is one Im
quite familiar with. A friend was shopping at K-mart just before
closing time. He paid for his goods, and headed for his car. He heard
muffled screaming and a struggle. He unholstered his weapon and went
to investigate. He found a man kneeling over a struggling screaming
woman, and the man raised a knife to stab her with. The single round
that was fired was from less than 6 feet away and entered the perps
skull just above his spinal cord, effectivly cutting his strings
instantly. It turned out to be the estranged husband of the woman.
She had a protective order (which is not germane), and there was a
long history of abuse by the dead man. The dead man didnt know what
hit him. BLIP and he was dead.

Now in some states, the shooter could have been charged with
1. Not retreating
2. Not announcing
3. Discharging a firearm in a public place (city limits)

My friend called the cops, and when they arrived, he followed all the
rules. The only thing he said was "he was trying to kill her and I
shot to stop him" and asked for a lawyer.

No charges were filed, and in fact, he was given a citation for
"outstanding citizenship" by a local organization. The dead mans next
of kin tried to sue the shooter. It was tossed out of court, but did
cost the shooter several thousand dollars in legal costs (picked up by
another local gun rights organization)

Another case, I belive Ive mentioned before

Parents are out at a function. 12 yr old girl and 16 yr old girl were
home alone. 12yr old in a ground floor bedroom, 16 yr old in an upper
floor bedroom. A rapist broke in and attacked the 12yr old in her own
bed. The screams got t he attention of the 16 yr old, who retrieved
her fathers 44 magnum pistol, and loaded it. She came downstairs, saw
the perp on top of the sister, and screamed at him. He came off the
bed, and she let him have 2 , center of mass (about 1" apart, right
smack over the heart..I saw the autopsy pics), effectly removing this
gentleman from the gene pool and ending all chances of recidivism.

She was also given a citizenship award. And a scholarship fund was
set up.

The antis of course were enraged that a 16 yr old had access to a 44
magnum pistol. And had blown the perps heart and spine, out all over
the wall with jacketed hollowpoints. Quite a tado in the Liberal
press. Enough that the District Attorney called a press conference,
and stated on TV, (Ed Jagels) " that citizens have the right to self
defense of them selves and others, and even if she had used a bazooka
on him, it would have been ruled as a good shoot". Then he left the
podium.

Really ****ed off the Left..but oddly enough..he keeps getting
reelected.

Again, in some areas, she may have been required to retreat, announce
and so forth. Which could have endangered both girls.

Its quite against the law to shoot a fleeing felon. Even for cops.

Unless..unless its reasonable to believe that if the felon is not
stopped, he will continue to be a serious and immediate danger to
others. Arsonists tend to be the normal example of this, along with
violent bank robbers and so forth.

Gunner seems to have a good summary here. I wouldn't argue with any of
it.

Odd thing is, in any discussion of Bush or the motivations for the Iraq
war, I would be branded as a major leftie. Go figure.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&h...define:anomaly

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner