On 27 Aug 2005 13:02:15 -0700, wrote:


Andy Hall wrote:
On 27 Aug 2005 05:53:45 -0700, wrote:


John Rumm wrote:
wrote:

To the OP. That is bunkum.

No, it's not.


It is bunkum. To the OP, just....

Ignore him. All the manufacturers explicitly say do *not* use a hacksaw.

See my reply to Andy Hall. The biggest manufacturer, Hepworth appear
confused on the point.

Not really. The instructions are completely clear.

What Hepworth said was as clear as mud. They say don't use a hacksaw,
then say you can do the cut with a variety of tools.

In their printed instructions and web site, and indeed, in the
corresponding literature from other manufacturers, the procedure and
tools to use and not to use are completely clear.

You are trying to make more from the throwaway paragraph about people
being able to find alternatives that will do an acceptable job than
was intended. They have simply said it's possible, not that it's
recommended.


How are you
supposed to cut the pipe without a plastic pipe cutter? A James Bond
lazer?

They did say that the inventive will find ways....


To me is clear that they meant don't cut with a hacksaw without
trimming or squaring, pushing in the pipe insert and then pushing the
fitting on. THAT is looking for trouble, and that is what they meant.

Who knows what they meant. It's irrelevent. What they actually
*say* is to use a pipe cutter and not to use a hacksaw. There is no
comment on what one should do if one chooses to use a hacksaw. In
other words - you are on your own if you do. Nothing was said or
implied.







Yes you *may* get successful joints using one with care, but on the
occations that you don't you will have no one but yourself to blame.

Well who else are you going to blame if you screw up a pipe end? Take
care and a perfect pipe end can be achieved as Hepworth stated "using
a variety of tools".

They said that the inventive may do that. They didn't say that they
thought it was a good idea.

If they didn't think it was a good idea they wouldn't have said it.

It was a throwaway observation that people do find ways to do things
that differ from the method given in the instructions. Nothing more
than that. Pretty obvious.


It
is clear they said you can make the cut "without" a plastic pipe
cutter.

Of course. However, none of them are recommended and hacksaw is
specifically excluded.




So why make life difficult for yourself, when even the cheapie Screwfix
vinyl pipe cutter will do the job for under a fiver?

A waste of time and a liability from bitter experience. Either use a
top quality plastic pipe cutter, or a hacksaw, stanley knife and fine
file to trim off.

Don't use poor quality tools, it is not worth it.

I certainly agree with respect to using good quality tools. However,
I've had perfectly good results with a £5 pipe cutter as well as a £15
one. I may be sufficiently inventive to have success with other
things like a mitre saw - who knows. I also follow manufacturers
instructions unless there is a very good reason not to do so. Here
there really isn't.

There is, if you don't have a good cutter available.

Why wouldn't you? A £5 cutter doesn't even come to more than about
20% of the price of the bits for the project.


If you have a good
cutter use it. If not you can do the plastic pipe cut by using a
hacksaw, stanley knife and fine file. I have done many that are as good
as a cut by my full professional cutter, and never had any problems.
And I wasn't even that inventive. I used everyday tools in my tool box.

Great, but this is not what the manufacturer says that one should do.
The original question was from somebody who had not done plastic
plumbing before with push fit fittings. Maybe he could have cut the
pipe with a hacksaw, maybe not. Using the correct tool, which was
hardly a big deal he would have got a good result.

A £5 cutter for a small job like this would have been perfectly good.



Do you have to be so moronic?

Somehow I think that somebody who advocates using a tool specifically
advised against by the product manufacturer when the correct tool is
easily obtainable for a fraction of the project cost, is not speaking
from a position of strength when he suggests this.



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..andy

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