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How do you handle the problem of rust? If I pull my car into the
garage after it has been out in the rain, or covered with snow and
salt, it's going to really do a number on my tools. Not only my table
saw, jointer, etc, but also the smaller hand tools like chisels and
planes. Just putting a dehumidifier isn't going to do much good with a
wet car right next to everything.

Thanks


leave the cars outside?? I haven't parked a car in my garage shop
for over 3 years. The cars are doing fine. They don't rust outside
and my shop doesn't get "disturbed". Then again, I don't live in snow
country. I thought most snow country homes had basements. I've
considered moving to the midwest and taking over an entire basement
(1,500 square feet) for my next shop. that would be so cool to have
plenty of room for stock. I could retire some of the equipment's
mobile stands with that much room. Each "toy" could stay put in a shop
that large. sigh...

Dave


Oh sure, you only think you'd get the entire basement!!!! I get a
little corner of an unfinished basement. SWMBO wants it finished and we
are currently in negotiation on how much of it I get for the shop!!!

If you ever do move, make sure you get a basement with at least 9'
ceilings.

I'm HOPING I'd get the whole basement! Having discussed it at length
with SWMBO, it appears I would snag the entire basement if we ever move
to a house similar to the one we spent several days looking at in KS.
The ceilings were 9'. I wouldn't want less if I plan on putting a shop
into one. Lower than that would be a deal breaker.

Dave


My suggestion, do NOT strive for a basement workshop. Invariable, it's
difficult to move supplies in an out of the basement, even if the
stairway is in the garage. If you have the laundry facilities in the
basement, dust (even with a good dust collector) will prove to be an
insurmountable problem. The noise from power tools, especially pneumatic
nailers, can generate enormous complaints from the rest of the family.
But the biggie, from my experience is finishing procedures. Varnishes,
even the new latex paints, still have an odors that will invariable seep
to the rest of the home and only then will you find out that every single
person in your household has asthma, bronchial or acute respiratory
failure, and if you open up one more can, you will be charged under the
domestic violence laws.

Where in Kansas? James, north central Kansas.
Thanks for the info, James.

Hmmm...I have an attached garage that I do HVLP spraying. I sometimes
smell a bit of the sprayed product inside the house, but it isn't
objectionable often or bad enough to be concerned. I would be concerned
if spraying inside a basement would worsen the problem.

Think of a cold winter day. While it is true that inside air and outside
air are eventually exchanged, there still will be some overlap and any
significant odor in the basement will eventually be circulated throughout
the house, especially in the forced air system your most likely to find in
eastern Kansas.

I'd only get a walk-out basement for ease of bringing in supplies and
taking out projects. No way I'd consider just stairs!

That's a point, but just to play devil's avocate, how are go to get to that
walkout basement, unless you find one with basement garages. Think of
having to drive your truck in the backyard with some frequency. I'm sure
you can find exactly what you're looking for, but it's likely to take some
looking.


"Family" is just me and the missus. (Besides visitors--but I'd skip the
woodworking if someone's visiting for a few days)

The house we considered has a laundry room behind the garage, on the main
floor. Beats hauling laundry up and down the basement stairs.

Sure does.


My wife's computer/sewing room's right next to the shop. She has said the
shop noise doesn't intrude. Plus, she knows what it's like to live with a
shop right under her bedroom, during a previous "life". I was watching
PBS last night--60's music--while she was sleeping soundly beside me in
the bedroom. Lights and TV noise don't wake her up. The neighbors
fricking barking dogs do (wake her), but they have all recently gotten
barking collars, which WORK, thank God!

I'm concerned about the humidity level (with a/c from the central unit) in
a basement, even barring a water seepage problem in the basement. Do you
know the humidity level of your basement and of the main living quarters?
I know it can get pretty humid in the midwest. I spent 3 years in MO. Is
a basement always going to be inherently more humid than the upper
stories, even with an a/c register always open in the basement?

From my experience, humidity just isn't a problem. Since it's raining
outside, right now, I'm sure the humidity level in my garage/shop is right
at 100%. BTW, it's been so hot lately, I bought a used window air
conditioner ($15 gloat) and stuck it in a garage window. Works like a
champ. Even when outside tempertures peaked at over 100 degrees, this
summer, the window unit would keep the inside of the workshop in the low
80's. Not perfect, but certainly acceptable. (At that air conditioner spat
out a stead stream of water, too).

Note: I moved two months, ago. We used the "pods", that were stored in the
open for ten days. I had tools, (hacksaw frames, coping saw frames, etc)
that rusted for the first time in 25 years. Some beyond salvation, unless I
want to spend hours with a wire brush. The "pods", sitting in a storage
lot, heated up to very high tempertures during the day, then rapidly cooled
probably 60 or 70 degrees, when the sun went down. There was condesation
damage on more than just my tools. (This is, apparently a problem with
moving vans, too, if the move is not directly from house to house.)

If, I was going to do it again, I swear I'd call an auctioneer and sell out
everything except the absolutely irreplaceable items and start all over
again in the new location.


oh, our washer and drier are in my garage shop and I've yet to see a
problem. What EXACTLY is the problem with the laundry being done in the
shop area?

I had a shop in the basement. I even install special wiring. (Man-oh-man,
it was slick). But even with a dust collector, there was still a fine
coating of dust in the laundry room and on clothes that my wife would
ocassionaly decide couldn't go into the dryer. Eventually, the shop
migrated half of a double car garage, and then very gradually, took over the
whole garage.

Our drier vents outside. I don't like it when hot water is being used in
the washer if I'm about to do finishing, but other than that, the 2
functions have coexisted fine ever since I started woodworking in the
shop.

Lenexa or vicinity.

We, sold out and moved from western Shawnee, just two months, ago. Johnson
County's ever-esculating property taxes are just not condusive to a genteel
retirement.

Dave