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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:07:56 -0700, "Phil Scott"
wrote:
When I met the engineer. a greek guy I forgot his
name he was
in Honolulu atire, shorts, and boots..and no hair on
his
body...he told me the story.. he got so upset he
shed all of
his hair and had to take a range of calm down pills
and see a
shrink.
So, basically, you met some guy in Honolulu,
discussed his
lack of body hair with him, discussed the fact that
he was higher than
a kite, then listened to his little story.
Hmmmm.......
Not impressive trash boy... I meet all kinds of
people, this guy held an unlimited sea captains
license. and was in command of one of H Salts lobster
processing ships... not a flake, and yes I believed
him... he had no reason to lie.
Your attitude is comon of people who deal with low
level jerks and operates at that range, a trasher boy
mentality..not impressive
Phil Scott
This is Turtle.
Phil , I think you being selected to be drummed out of
alt.hvac because your ability to reason and figure
stuff out better than Steve sea breezer and Paul the
cat lover. Look at all the past replys and you will see
a team effort from these two to remove you with words
of dislike. Most people with a good education will not
see a game being plaied by trashy People in team
effort.
Just Be Aware !
Thanks,,,i had noticed that too. Mostly I kill file
those types after a short exchange. They sure arent
doing the trade anygood. its those types that drag the
rates down also. You dont see them out here on the west
coast or even in Texas to any extent. it seems to a
south east coast but primarily florida problem due to
lax licensing and whatever.
Phil Scott
This is Turtle.
Louisiana and Florida are about the same with no licences
or traning required. All you need is a $200.00 operator
permitt and a set of guages, drum of gas , EPA test card,
and your a expert.
About the ''''' Control-A-troll ''''' around alt.hvac,
there is a few want-a-bee salesmen and small time scam
artist that wants to control the alt.hvac, but they are
not smart enough to know you may get control for one day
and then get shot out of the saddle the next day by the
next fellow you try to get out of the group. i think
sometimes that these Control-A-troll think that they can
get control of the group to have it like a advertisment
place for Paul's HVAC Software and Sea Breeze Steve's
HVAC parts sold over the internet. Just some thoughts
here.
OK that explains the motive at least for idiots. They
would have been a lot smarter to have not run off the
talented posters... those are the ones most people arrive
to read.
So now these folks have a tiny customer base of
idiots...that type never spends much money.
So , speak freely and just don't worry about the
Contol-A-trolls .
I only see alt.HVAC posts when someone cross posts to
alt.building.construction...otherwise these people were
not impressive.. appliance repairmen for the most part..
nothing above the home owner level.
The real money in this business is in large commercial
installations and service, the larger hotels, chillers etc
over 100 tons, many in Florida over 500 tons. that work
bills out at over 90 dollars an hour. Here in calif 120
dollars an hour...and parts profits can double that.
Same with the industrial market we have here in Silicon
valley.. semi conductor clean rooms also in Texas and the
north east. especially the DDC controls end of it.
I tried to tip these guys to that market but it was a no
go....that market takes both brains and a professional
demeanor..
the brains can be fixed up by understanding a few
principles of physics. Most of the applicance types seem
to think physics is over their head...but its actually not
if these are fortunate enough to have a good mentor.
alas... it was not to be. Now that I see who these guys
are Im not going to spend any time on it.
We working class folks, including engineers such as myself
are about to be screwed entirely to the wall here in the
US as new immigrants are doing most of this work
cheap..and the high end is being exported to india.
Its going to pay many of these guys to get some more high
end skills.. On the bottom end there will always be
some appliance work but at 10 bucks an hour, a tough way
to make a living.
Phil Scott
this is Turtle.
this group is not the caliber to talking to , to fill that
set of boots. we are techs, small business owners,
Software salesmen, and a few want a bee King of the Hill.
I think the show King of the hill best describes the
alt.hvac..
i knew of only three people who come through here that
could be interested in the offers you spoke of but they
was run off by the stupid King of the Hill Game.
If it even sounds like Air conditioning or Heating, then I
work on it. 1/2ton to 700tons. I'm still here Turtle. As
for Phil, he's an ass who is full of himself, apparently.
And Jake is apparently as much an industrial/commercial guy
as Phil, and more so than even I am.
Some of our customers, or as Jake calls them "clients":
Bitec, Dana, Laddish, Tyson Corp., Eskimo Pie, Entergy
Corp. JW Aluminum, Firestone...., and these are just a few.
Bugger off Phil, I didn't have a problem with you until you
started spouting ****.
hvacrmedic
This is Turtle.
OK you have the ability to take on a 700 Ton chiller bid on
jobs. Now who else here has that ability around here to take
it on. There is nobody here with any respectiable words or
company that could take on this type job. i ask sometime
back about a bid on a Casino job that would run into the
Millions and i had a line on it for being one of the good
old boy indians. i ask here did anybody want to take the job
for i can hand it to them if they wanted it. Nobody want any
of it or even spoke of taking it. the job would be for Grand
Casino corp. in Kinder , Louisiana.
also i don't know Phil but he did touch on the problems we
was having and what or how stupid we have become on the
newsgroup. Weither Phil is a Troll , No body , or a King of
the HVAC world makes no difference but what he saids was
very much true. Now I'm sorry for offending you with my
Frankly spoken words but what i think , I will speak. Now
here is some more words and don't concider them coming from
anybody but ME.
We at alt.hvac have become a bunch of kids fighting over
control of the group and also there is for some reason we
will run off anybody that wants to speak professionally with
no cussing or name calling. i see professional come in and
just a little while i see then say well see you, i can't
handle this stupidity going on here.
also we have become a place where a tech can't ask a
question openly without someone flaming on him for now
knowing something about the question he ask. It's call ask a
question , we see what you don't know, and then let's make a
ass out of him for not knowing what he ask about in the
question. You can see for your self that no one ask open
questions about the business for if they do they will get
put down for not knowing something some GOD or King of the
HVAC world thinks that person should know and I'm not
talking about Stormy. I can ask a simple question right now
and if Jake is not around. No one will want to answer it for
you get fired on to answer simple questions which shows you
are not a HVAC GOD and should be run off.
Now here is the group's condition and if it offends you,
Sorry about that. If it don't offend you. You may want to
look at what is going on here and try to do something about
it.
TURTLE
If these guys were doing major chiller jobs they wouldnt be
bragging about their 10 dollar hour wage, and discussing
residential systems, then failing to respond entirely with
technical insight on the high end industrial issues.
People who do industrial systems like to talk that tech...and
know the issues. When I was postng alt.HVAC only one guy was
able to discuss the business at that level.
the ability to discuss that level of technology is the proof
of the pudding, not listing the names of some fortune 500
companies and claiming one does work for them.
Phil Scott