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news On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:07:56 -0700, "Phil Scott"
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When I met the engineer. a greek guy I forgot his name he was
in Honolulu atire, shorts, and boots..and no hair on his
body...he told me the story.. he got so upset he shed all of
his hair and had to take a range of calm down pills and see a
shrink.

So, basically, you met some guy in Honolulu, discussed his
lack of body hair with him, discussed the fact that he was higher
than
a kite, then listened to his little story.

Hmmmm.......

Not impressive trash boy... I meet all kinds of people, this guy held
an unlimited sea captains license. and was in command of one of H
Salts lobster processing ships... not a flake, and yes I believed
him... he had no reason to lie.

Your attitude is comon of people who deal with low level jerks and
operates at that range, a trasher boy mentality..not impressive


Phil Scott


This is Turtle.

Phil , I think you being selected to be drummed out of alt.hvac because
your ability to reason and figure stuff out better than Steve sea
breezer and Paul the cat lover. Look at all the past replys and you
will see a team effort from these two to remove you with words of
dislike. Most people with a good education will not see a game being
plaied by trashy People in team effort.

Just Be Aware !

Thanks,,,i had noticed that too. Mostly I kill file those types after a
short exchange. They sure arent doing the trade anygood. its those
types that drag the rates down also. You dont see them out here on the
west coast or even in Texas to any extent. it seems to a south east
coast but primarily florida problem due to lax licensing and whatever.


Phil Scott


This is Turtle.

Louisiana and Florida are about the same with no licences or traning
required. All you need is a $200.00 operator permitt and a set of guages,
drum of gas , EPA test card, and your a expert.

About the ''''' Control-A-troll ''''' around alt.hvac, there is a few
want-a-bee salesmen and small time scam artist that wants to control the
alt.hvac, but they are not smart enough to know you may get control for
one day and then get shot out of the saddle the next day by the next
fellow you try to get out of the group. i think sometimes that these
Control-A-troll think that they can get control of the group to have it
like a advertisment place for Paul's HVAC Software and Sea Breeze Steve's
HVAC parts sold over the internet. Just some thoughts here.

OK that explains the motive at least for idiots. They would have been a
lot smarter to have not run off the talented posters... those are the ones
most people arrive to read.

The only idiot here is you fella..read on.


So now these folks have a tiny customer base of idiots...that type never
spends much money.


Just had one that dropped over 200K and its a large nationally known
commercial builder.
****ing gee..



So , speak freely and just don't worry about the Contol-A-trolls .

I only see alt.HVAC posts when someone cross posts to
alt.building.construction...otherwise these people were not impressive..
appliance repairmen for the most part.. nothing above the home owner
level.

Yup...reminds me of a few engineer wannabes..


The real money in this business is in large commercial installations and
service, the larger hotels, chillers etc over 100 tons, many in Florida
over 500 tons. that work bills out at over 90 dollars an hour. Here in
calif 120 dollars an hour...and parts profits can double that.

Got news for you..10 years ago when I was in CA, the labor rate was $120 per
hour resi....times they do change.


Same with the industrial market we have here in Silicon valley.. semi
conductor clean rooms also in Texas and the north east. especially the
DDC controls end of it.

I tried to tip these guys to that market but it was a no go....that market
takes both brains and a professional demeanor..

the brains can be fixed up by understanding a few principles of physics.
Most of the applicance types seem to think physics is over their
head...but its actually not if these are fortunate enough to have a good
mentor.

alas... it was not to be. Now that I see who these guys are Im not
going to spend any time on it.


We working class folks, including engineers such as myself are about to be
screwed entirely to the wall here in the US as new immigrants are doing
most of this work cheap..and the high end is being exported to india.

Its going to pay many of these guys to get some more high end skills..
On the bottom end there will always be some appliance work but at 10 bucks
an hour, a tough way to make a living.

You are right...but then, in Turtles neck of the world, beer can cold cuts
it.





Phil Scott


TURTLE