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news On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:07:56 -0700, "Phil Scott"
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When I met the engineer. a greek guy I forgot his name
he was
in Honolulu atire, shorts, and boots..and no hair on his
body...he told me the story.. he got so upset he shed
all of
his hair and had to take a range of calm down pills and
see a
shrink.

So, basically, you met some guy in Honolulu, discussed
his
lack of body hair with him, discussed the fact that he
was higher than
a kite, then listened to his little story.

Hmmmm.......

Not impressive trash boy... I meet all kinds of people,
this guy held an unlimited sea captains license. and was
in command of one of H Salts lobster processing ships...
not a flake, and yes I believed him... he had no reason
to lie.

Your attitude is comon of people who deal with low level
jerks and operates at that range, a trasher boy
mentality..not impressive


Phil Scott


This is Turtle.

Phil , I think you being selected to be drummed out of
alt.hvac because your ability to reason and figure stuff
out better than Steve sea breezer and Paul the cat lover.
Look at all the past replys and you will see a team effort
from these two to remove you with words of dislike. Most
people with a good education will not see a game being
plaied by trashy People in team effort.

Just Be Aware !

Thanks,,,i had noticed that too. Mostly I kill file those
types after a short exchange. They sure arent doing the
trade anygood. its those types that drag the rates down
also. You dont see them out here on the west coast or even
in Texas to any extent. it seems to a south east coast but
primarily florida problem due to lax licensing and
whatever.


Phil Scott


This is Turtle.

Louisiana and Florida are about the same with no licences or
traning required. All you need is a $200.00 operator permitt
and a set of guages, drum of gas , EPA test card, and your a
expert.

About the ''''' Control-A-troll ''''' around alt.hvac, there
is a few want-a-bee salesmen and small time scam artist that
wants to control the alt.hvac, but they are not smart enough
to know you may get control for one day and then get shot
out of the saddle the next day by the next fellow you try to
get out of the group. i think sometimes that these
Control-A-troll think that they can get control of the group
to have it like a advertisment place for Paul's HVAC
Software and Sea Breeze Steve's HVAC parts sold over the
internet. Just some thoughts here.

OK that explains the motive at least for idiots. They would
have been a lot smarter to have not run off the talented
posters... those are the ones most people arrive to read.

So now these folks have a tiny customer base of idiots...that
type never spends much money.



So , speak freely and just don't worry about the
Contol-A-trolls .

I only see alt.HVAC posts when someone cross posts to
alt.building.construction...otherwise these people were not
impressive.. appliance repairmen for the most part.. nothing
above the home owner level.

The real money in this business is in large commercial
installations and service, the larger hotels, chillers etc
over 100 tons, many in Florida over 500 tons. that work bills
out at over 90 dollars an hour. Here in calif 120 dollars an
hour...and parts profits can double that.

Same with the industrial market we have here in Silicon
valley.. semi conductor clean rooms also in Texas and the
north east. especially the DDC controls end of it.

I tried to tip these guys to that market but it was a no
go....that market takes both brains and a professional
demeanor..

the brains can be fixed up by understanding a few principles
of physics. Most of the applicance types seem to think
physics is over their head...but its actually not if these are
fortunate enough to have a good mentor.

alas... it was not to be. Now that I see who these guys are
Im not going to spend any time on it.


We working class folks, including engineers such as myself are
about to be screwed entirely to the wall here in the US as new
immigrants are doing most of this work cheap..and the high end
is being exported to india.

Its going to pay many of these guys to get some more high end
skills.. On the bottom end there will always be some
appliance work but at 10 bucks an hour, a tough way to make a
living.




Phil Scott


TURTLE