In article , "Leon" wrote:

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
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In article , "Leon"
wrote:

Evidently, you have very little experience with Chinese-made tools - or
else
you have *no* experience with anything *else* to provide a basis for
comparison.

Wrong on both counts.
Every body is capable of building quality and trash. I have seen an equal
amount from just about every where.

Then IMO either you haven't been looking very hard, or your ability to
distinguish quality from trash is impaired. Do you *seriously* contend that
the average quality level of tools made in China and India is on a par with
those made in Germany, Canada, or the U.S.?


The
reason more is going to China is because the Chinese are willing to build
the products for the what they are really worth.

What a load of utter nonsense. The reason more production is going to
China is
that more and more manufacturers are trying to get their products made at
the
lowest possible cost without regard for quality.

Lowest cost yes, but a a quality that the public is willing to put up with
or settle for.

Speak for yourself. *Some* of the public, yes. Even *most* of the public,
perhaps.

The cost of doing business in
China is very low for at least two reasons: 1) very low cost of labor -
and
for a good reason, I might add - and 2) little or no environmental
regulation.

Yeah. Low cost of labor by those willing to do the work.

Wake up. A lot of the stuff coming out of China is produced by prison labor.

There really is no reason
in the world that a nail gun should cost $300, other than to pay a high
salary.

More nonsense. It pays for *skilled* labor.

It does not require that kind of skill to do repeated assembly.

There's a lot more to it than just assembly-line work. Somebody has to
maintain the production machinery. Somebody has to inspect raw materials
coming in, and finished products going out.

It pays for high-quality steel. Probably not $30 worth of steel unless the
steel was manufactured by over paid workers.

The company SWMBO works for recently started - and then abandoned - an effort
to establish a subsidiary in China, to produce goods for use _in_China_, not
for export. Among the reasons they abandoned the project was the inability of
Chinese steel producers to consistently supply steel that met their specs.
They have not had that problem at their U.S. plants. I can't imagine that
their experience is unique.

(How many times have you twisted the head off of a Chinese-made screw?)

I am betting no more than a low quality American screw.

And I am betting that you haven't been paying attention to where the screws
you use are made. I can count on my fingers the number of times I've ever, in
my life, twisted the head off of a screw that I know was made in the U.S. or
Canada.

Country origin has absolutely no factor over resulting quality.

Yeah, right. I bet you drive a Yugo, and think that it's just as good as a
Mercedes.


It pays for a clean environment. (Of course it costs less to manufacture
products
in a country that allows the factory to just dump whatever crap they want
to,
wherever they want to, than in a country that requires factories to keep
their
surroundings clean.).

Still THAT has nothing to do with over paid workers.

Just pointing out that there are *other* reasons for the low price of Chinese
products besides the disparity in worker salaries. You apparently think that's
the only reason, and that's just not true.

Until we start blaming ourselves for our own problems in pricing and
quality, we will remain in this situation.

Unfortunately, *you* are a large part of that problem, with your obstinate and
ridiculous belief that the quality of Chinese-made products is on a par with
those made elsewhere. It's quite apparent that, like millions of other
Americans, you can't tell the difference.

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Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt.
And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?