"Ed Huntress" wrote in message
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"George Willer" wrote in message
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Ed,

Forgive me for being just an uneducated bumpkin who never went to
college,
but we are looking at different things.

Just to qualify it, I didn't question Jim's intelligence, and certainly
didn't question yours. I don't, however, confuse exposure to education
with intelligence. We simply differ on the value of converting to
socialist
programs that cause more harm than good.

You said "intelligence." I'm just taking you at your word, George.

Then take me at my word and go back to see the context. I gave Jim credit
for having the intelligence to understand.

I do and always have recognized
the impending disaster that was set up when SS was first put in place,
for
example. I think it was about 3rd grade when we learned to do the math.

That must have been some math. The top economists in the country still
don't
know what's going to happen. They're doing politics, not math, making the
assumptions that further their causes.

Most ordinary citizens know what the long term effects of declining birth
rates and increasing retirees with their longer life spans will have on S S.
Yes, we could easily have figured it out in grade school that there would be
a day of reckoning... just not exactly when. Top economists? Phooey!


Rates of immigration, the flat spot in the curve of extended lifespans,
the
effect of declining, then flattening birth rates. . .these are things that
keep good actuaries busy in full-time jobs. You're 70? To have predicted
the
baby boom before WWII even happened, or the swing in several key trends
that
include the declining birth rate, was quite an accomplishment.

There was no "math" to do, George. The future, which is to say today's
situation, was unknown when you were in 3rd grade. It was unknown when you
were a young man. If you look at how much influence even small swings in
the
economy influence the future of SS, you'd realize that.


I'm not really upset, just recognize the reality that many of you who are
so
fond of socialism don't wish to move where it is stronger. There are
many
possibilities in the world.

What do you call "socialism"? Get specific. Let's hear what programs you
object to. Tell us which ones you'd eliminate.

For starters, I would eliminate every program that no Constitutional basis.
Redistributing the rewards for one's efforts by force is at the top of the
list. What new Marxist socialist programs would you like to start?


Public security is bull****! There is no such thing... only the illusion
of
security.

There is no private security. There is no such thing, as millions of
people
realized just a few years before you were born. You must have missed it.

No, I didn't miss the great depression. I lived with it's aftermath every
day until I left home at 18. I worked very hard to secure my family's
security the only way to be truly secure... with skill, ambition, and hard
work.
I have much more confidence in my own ability than in the ability of the
government to provide for my security. You should too. The fact that many
don't is a sad thing.

George Willer

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Ed Huntress