'Fancy' lights seem to often have a need to fasten directly to the
ceiling, which is a pain as I do find loop-in type roses a nice east
way to get the various wires in place.

Do similar junction boxes exist for use in the space above the ceiling?
The MK et al ones in my various catalougues don't seem to have quite
the right capacity. I tend to move the rose up there, but don't find
it a very elegant solution.

IanC