"JerseyMike" wrote in message
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"Bubba" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 09:44:13 -0600, Jim wrote:

I would like to know what is involved in install a vent free fireplace
from home depot or lowes in my basement.

thanks

jim

Jim, BEFORE you purchase a vent free unit, Take a look at the first
page of instructions that comes with the unit. In short it tells you
to open the window when you are using it! Many Many warnings and
cautions in there. They may burn "clean" (I would debate that) but why
would you burn a gas appliance and let the combustion products go into
your home? Do yourself a favor and get a VENTED unit. I wouldnt have
anything "ventless" in my home. A gas stove with and exhaust hood is
bad enough.
Bubba

we've never had a problem w/ ours and it's 99 or 99.9% efficient. we keep a
carbon monoxide dector in a central spot and it's never activated in the 3
or 4 years the fireplace has been in use. but to each their own, i feel
completely safe and would never have bought it if there was a safety issue
especially since my kids play downstairs all the time.

mike...........


This is Turtle.

You maybe talking about a different animal here. You probley have a Ventless
Panel Ray heater and they are talking about Just a Ventless gas heater with a
blue flame no panel ray type heater. I would not want any ventless gas heater in
my house that has a blue flame in it. The only one I would accept is a Flameless
Pannel Ray heater with NO flame at all but a 5,000ºF to 8,000ºF glowing ceramic
pannel to glow and put off heat rays. It is 99.992% fuel effencent heater and
has no flame and no CO for it burns so hot that no carbon can be left at the
5,000ºF to 8,000ºF ceramic grid that the gas burns in. It burns at 3 time a
cutting torch temperature burns at. The Temp can be more that 8,000ºF for it
burn at a color of white and not blue, red or other colors of heat. When a flame
burns at white it leave NO carbon when it burns. So you can't have CO because it
burns all the Carbon up in the ceramic fire grid and with all the carbon gone
the O will attach it'self to the nearest H and form water vapor in the air. Now
there will be very little of this left of the O for the grid is so hot it burns
the O up also.

You just don't vent something that gives off NO CO at all. The all the warning
is to keep it safe to watch out for. Now the leaving the window open is to keep
it from cutting off during the nite when the Oxygen level drops below normal in
the room. With the Oxygen level shut down set up you just can't burn up all the
oxygen in the room with it or it will just turn off. I have checked out the
Oxygen sencer on them and it is just about fail safe for it's design.

I would have to say Panel Ray Ceramic type Flameless heaters are good in a no
vent room. Now anyother type would not be acceptiable at all. A blue flame will
burn with a maybe high as as a 400 ppm CO content but the Panel Ray heater burns
with a ZERO ppm out put of CO. Now the .002% fuel eff. rating or waisted fuel is
there for the blue flame of the pilot lite that burns blue and not white hot.

TURTLE