Gunner wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:01:55 -0600, "Ken Davey"
wrote:
e wrote:
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 14:58:03 -0600, "Ken Davey"
wrote:
Gunner
One and the same where I come from.
Do you have any comment about the rest of my post?
Regards.
Ken.
One has to ignore gummer, he lives in northern lalaland. Don't
expect any more sense out of him than you would any other
kkkalifornee nutcake. When I left whackyland in 1963, 50000 people
per day were also showing good sense. But they still attract
99.999% of the worlds nutcases.
I do have better expectations of Gunner.
He has shown some ability to think in the past and I have hope for
his future.
He has been through a lot of **** and some of that experience has
begun to color his thinking. I believe that he is not as much of a
'redneck conservative' as he makes out. Be that as it may - anyone
who gives as much time and good advise as Gunner does on RCM can't
be all that bad and certinly cannot be dismissed by associating him
with the word 'nutcase' even when that is what he seems to be in
the heat of many moments. And BTW - Most Canadians equate my
province (British Columbia) with California. Their slang expression
of choice is "lotus Eaters". We feel (know) our way is the 'right'
way. Regards.
Ken.
Leslie the Looser tends to forget that California is a very large
state with the Fruits and Flakes largely concentrated in the 6 urban
areas, while the rest of the state is mostly conservative or
libertarian in outlook.
But then..Richard tends to forget a lot of things....his Depends for
one..
Union membership at one time comprised around 58% of the American
workforce. Its now down around 13%. At the time the unions were
needed, there were few labor laws protecting the worker. Since that
time, labor laws have been enacted that protect the worker in large
part. The labor unions were indeed responsible for fostering these
laws and kudos to them for it.
However..the good work of the Unions is running on its own, and the
corruption, malfeasence and political stances of the Unions has been
their own downfall. And since the Unions of today, are not operating
on the best interests of its members, but on the best interests of its
managment, its time for them to go away.
Btw..the largest union membership in the US, is Government workers.
Gunner
A general statement about unions outliving their usefilness and no longer
living up to their originally stated purpose is simply not true. To be sure
there are some that have 'forgotten' their roots and now exist solely as
self-prepetuating parasites.
I was, up until my retirement, a member and activist in the largest union in
Canada - namely the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE).
This union gave a remarkable amount of autonomy to its locals and only
demanded a 'tow-the-line' mentality on issues that reflected the common
good - both of the union membership and the people we served.
Sometimes I agreed with the direction of the union and sometimes I didn't.
When I didn't I voiced my concern - and was listened to and at times I was
able to change the direction..
The day of the union is not past. In fact an organized voice is becomming
more essential to the well-being of wage earners as time and 'supply-side'
economics are proving. How many abuses do you have to hear about - unpaid
hours, fired for being pregnant, dangerous conditions, fired for complaining
about or pointing out hazardous conditions, sexual harassment, racial
discrimination, outright slave labour conditions - and these are just a
sample from the big employers. The small 'sweat shop' operations go
un-noticed. The government and their myriad inspectors are worse than the
unions gone bad.
This could go on and on.
There are no absolutes to this. No convenient black-and-white decisions.
Nature of the beast.
Regards.
Ken.
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