On Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:34:38 -0000, "IMM" wrote:




We are now seeing the results of "Thatcher's children". She said there is
no such thing as society and promoted in a big way, me, me, me.

I don't think that that was it, but rather an encouragement to take
responsibility for one's own environment and outcome rather than
expecting the state to do it. There's a big difference between
taking responsibility for one's self and family as opposed to being
selfish and having no consideration for others.

As a guiding principle, one should be able to do what one likes
provided that it does not impinge on the equal right of others to do
what they like.

Millions of
kids were brought up in that era being indoctrinated with selfishness and
non sense of community, and it now shows.

I don't think that there was indoctrination about selfishness and
certainly nothing specific to the UK. My observation is that this
is a worldwide problem reflected by the media.



Britain is filthy. Travel around western Europe,: France: Germany, Holland,
etc.

I do. Extensively.

Britain is strewn with litter and fly tipping.

So are the other countries that you mention, and in about the same
amount. The only place where I have noticed a substantial
difference is in Monaco.

Travellers persecute
rural areas (and urban too) and when eventually are moved on leave the place
strewn with filth that cost many 1000s to clear up.

That happens everywhere as well.


How many kids dread their parents being called to the school to
talk to the teacher, when they know that the teacher could easily face
a head-butting from a crazed father? British society is incredibly
confrontational.

Blame Thatcher.

For what? One can always level a charge sheet against a former
prime minister. Those of Wilson and Callaghan hardly show them as
paragons of virtue.

New Lab is left with the mess and is putting that right by
legislation and civil lessons at school. Great moves by New Lab. Although
root cause analysis says it is even deeper and constitutional change can
only stop it at source.

Constitutional change has very little to do with it. There is a
complete spectrum of constitutional structures all over the western
world and they all have the societal difficulties that we do.

Legislation is welcome, but only treating the
symptoms not the cause. Many blame the latchkey kids as homes require two
parents to work to support the family.

That has been the case since the 50s.

Only 7% of homes have the mother at
home all day. Why?

Because women also want to pursue a career outside the home and
society doesn't hold staying at home and bringing up kids in high
esteem any longer. It doesn't reward women equally in the workplace
either, but that's another story.


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