On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 05:25:18 +0000, Tom Veatch wrote:

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:03:15 -0500, Morris Dovey wrote:

Mike Hide wrote:

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at times it is necessary to relinquish some civil rights to
ensure the security of the country.

A sometimes seductive notion; but not true.

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Who was it, Ben Franklin, that said something along the line of: "He who gives
up essential liberties for security, deserves neither"?

Tom Veatch
Wichita, KS USA

Any time that you give up liberties, freedom or anything else to
government control, you are saying that the government has the right to
control anything in your life. How long will it be until you will need a
government permit to travel from city to city? All in the name of ensuring
the security of the country. Of course, the favorite saying is, "its for
your safety". That is a statement that the public will always fall prey
to. A completely false sense of security.

Paul T.