On 12/06/2021 10:06, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jun 2021 08:49:30 +0100, Richard
wrote:

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Perhaps you could stop with the sermons here

Sermons to you are advocacy / passion to protect innocent and sentient
creatures to others.

and do something positive
to stop the cruelty.

I am doing *WAY* more then you could ever do by signing petitions ...
I'm not supporting the process in the first place!

Quite, you do more to encourage the eating of meat than anyone else I know.

See, it's easy. If everyone stopped paying to have all these animals
killed and exploited, they would stop killing and exploiting them. It
*really* couldn't be any simpler could it (even for you)!

It isn't so easy. Eating a strict vegan diet is shown to be damaging for
children. There are a lot of health warning given by medical
professionals when embarking on a vegan diet.

https://ibb.co/XxFLT2y

I am against the export of live animals.

Why is that then. Do they not still die at the end of their trip
*anyway*? Surely a couple of days of discomfort is nothing compared
with only living a fraction of your natural life? Now, when you show
me livestock willingly bolt gunning itself in the head or walking into
a gas chamber then cutting it's own throat as opposed to desperately
trying to avoid when it knows is likely to not be what it wants for
itself, then I would agree with your virtue signaling.

The only signal is that many of us are against the export of live
animals. Whereas you don't make the same claim and so contribute to the
status quo.

They
should be slaughtered in the countries where they are bred and exported
as a foodstuff.

Nope,

I can assure you they could.

see, again you are fighting the wrong cause.

It is the right cause.

They shouldn't be
slaughtered at all and the chances are the vast majority wouldn't be
if the people wanting to consume their flesh had to do it themselves.

Wrong. We live in an advanced society so processes are compartmentalised
into jobs. In much the same way you watch a TV you didn't build, I eat
meat that has been slaughtered by someone else.

Doesn't that tell you anything about just how unnatural (in most of
the civilised population in 2021) and barbaric it is, if most people
couldn't do it and certainly would let their kids even see it?

We have evolved to eat meat, to consume vitamins that are only present
in meat and meat products.

Yes, we know you're a pervert and would like children to watch various
acts that would be classed as age restricted.

And talking of that, look how early the indoctrination starts:

https://ibb.co/wcMQjvn

"Cows produce milk for their calves (and people) to drink."

No they ****ing don't. Cows don't and never have produced milk 'for
people to drink'. They have only ever produced milk for their calves
to drink and we steal it off them, often killing the calf to do so!

Does that not sound sick to you?

No, because we have evolved to digest milk in adulthood. You may be the
exception here where your doctor has advised not to drink milk.

Can you not see how logically inconsistent it all is?

https://ibb.co/NNXLFmx

Quite, this is consistent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALnsIHIupnk

Hopefully you are grown up enough to understand that.

Oh the irony.

https://ibb.co/tm1WzCR ;-)

Is that meant to convey a message?

No, the bottom line is 'most people' prefer to bury their heads and
morals in the sand and carry on doing what they were brought up to do
and accept as 'normal' because they are normalised to the idea and
addicted to the taste (dopamine). Because of the (apparent) social
acceptance, normalisation, commercialisation and marketing we continue
to 'go along with it' but if they dared to look just a little closer,
most people would question it all (especially if forced to do it
themselves).

The bottom line is I want my family eat eat a healthy balanced diet. For
the young ones in my family to maintain normal brain development, rather
than eating a vegan diet and end up with a low IQ.

So the truth is most people are sufficiently abstract from it all to
allow the cognitive dissonance, the logical inconsistency and the
physic numbing to override their morals, meaning that ITRW, people
don't really like and respect animals, they love their pets and some
'special cause' (often a man made issue) wildlife ... or abused
donkeys but really prefer not to confront what would be real internal
conflicts if they were only to open their eyes and minds.

The truth is we want a natural balanced, wholesome diet, one that
doesn't disadvantage our loved ones and growing children.

Not much to ask for, is it?

BTW, there is no cognitive dissonance. It must appear greatly in your
life to keep mentioning it. No ethical vegan would keep pets, but a
fanatical one, envious we're allowed to eat meat, must be in a great
dilemma.