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T i m T i m is offline
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Default OT: Happy 'World Milk Day'. (Not if you are a dairy cow of course).

On Tue, 1 Jun 2021 13:44:41 +0100, "NY" wrote:


I've got a great idea.

The chances are it won't be but carry on. ;-)

I'll carry on eating meat and drinking milk because I
put humans' needs/desires before animals'.

I know you do. It would be interesting to know if you would still do
that if you had to cut the throat of the animals yourself.

You carry on not doing so, for
very valid ethical reasons (even if I disagree with them).

I will, thanks.

And let's neither of us try to foist our opinions on the other.

Ironically you are already 'foisting' your views on innocent creatures
so there is no parallel or comparison.

Se, I'm not a vegan for me, I'm a vegan for all the animals that don't
deserve to suffer and die and for the world that is being destroyed,
just because the likes of you simply 'like' the taste of meat because
of your conditioning. If you could be conditioned to do something,
surely the most logical thing would be further conditioned not to do
that thing, especially when the lives of innocent / sentient creatures
are involved?

But not if you really couldn't give a **** about all animals that is?

What does dog taste like, or cat, or do you draw the line somewhere?

And I'm guessing you DGAF about other humans either, all the
antibiotic resistance from the livestock we consume. Or the habitat
destruction threatening the remaining wildlife? Or those humans
starving because of the inefficient way we use resources? Or the
pollution we humans are suffering from all the livestock waste ...?

See, it's not all about you and what you happen to have been
conditioned to eat ...

"Carnistic Defenses

Carnism runs counter to core human values, such as compassion and
justice. Most people wouldn’t willingly violate these values and
support unnecessary violence toward other sentient beings. Therefore,
carnism—like other oppressive systems, such as patriarchy and
racism—uses a set of psychological defense mechanisms that distort our
thoughts and block our natural empathy, so that we act against our
values without fully realizing what we’re doing. In other words,
carnism conditions us not to think and feel.

Carnistic defenses hide the contradictions between our values and
behaviors, so that we unknowingly make exceptions to what we would
normally consider unethical. "

Cheers, T i m