On Mon, 24 May 2021 19:15:54 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2021 22:21:04 +0100, T i m wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2021 19:57:45 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

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********, killing is 1 billion times worse than torture.

When it's done to humans it's generally called murder.

Irrelevant what you call it.

Well, *we know* that, some try to hide the 'murder' bit behind weasel
words like 'humane'.

Would you rather me torture you in horrific ways for a month, then let you go, or kill you "humanely"? Hint - one of them deprives you of the rest of your life. This is why we are stupid to kill animals "humanely" - it's the killing that's the bad part, not the way it's done.

Yeahbut *both* are the bad part. (See above). There is no good way to
do a bad thing.

https://ibb.co/099MB36

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Bull****. You need vitamins X Y and Z and that's it.

And that's the thing, a lot of these carnists consider the flesh of a
tiny subset of all the animal species as some sort of unique elixir of
life when many million people around the globe have been living long,
happy and healthy lives for thousands of years without any?

So, given all matter is made up of a fixed range of components, meat
is no different and as you say, if you were insist that you *had* to
eat meat (when it's clear that you don't) to get these, they could be
put together in the same quantities in the form of a plant based
tablet or lump of syntho animal flesh, if you really had to.

We have to ensure livestock have their right levels of B12 by feeding
them and implanting them with synthesised stuff *anyway*, why don't we
take it ourselves *anyway* (and most people do of course, vegan or
otherwise as many foodstuff are already fortified to try to deal with
the 40% of the (mostly meat eating) population and who are B12
deficient) cut out all the pain, suffering, animal death,
exploitation, environmental destruction that is *also* harming
millions of other animals (wildlife) AND US!

https://ibb.co/995p2sR

It's *not* part of a 'natural diet' when the animal has been created
unnaturally, kept unnaturally, fed unnaturally (high protein foods
making them gain meat mass in very short periods so their bones
collapse as they haven't grown as fast) and kill unnaturally (with no
hope of escape or defending itself) and comes full of chemicals that
would never occur in nature and that are making viruses that are
lethal to mankind antibiotic resistant.

Agreed in its entirety.

Cheers.

T i m

p.s. Now it looks like those big brave 'hunters' killing those vicious
turtle doves with shotguns are about to drive yet another species into
extinction. WTF is wrong with these people ... ;-(