On 23/05/2021 21:21, T i m wrote:

And that's the thing, a lot of these carnists consider the flesh of a
tiny subset of all the animal species as some sort of unique elixir of
life when many million people around the globe have been living long,
happy and healthy lives for thousands of years without any?

Presumably you are referring to the 'natural' life that you want to
force on animals, where their life expectancy in that brutal regime is
even shorter than for the cosseted farm animals. And it's the same for
people, there is no 'natural life' idyll. It's harsh, with a greatly
shortened life expectancy. You yourself don't live anywhere near a
'natural' life; indeed you have a highly-automated home, own a dog, and
claim to own 10 vehicles. What makes you think that is 'natural'? So why
don't you practise what you preach?

So, given all matter is made up of a fixed range of components, meat
is no different and as you say, if you were insist that you *had* to
eat meat (when it's clear that you don't) to get these, they could be
put together in the same quantities in the form of a plant based
tablet or lump of syntho animal flesh, if you really had to.

Have you ever thought why Europe, birthplace of the Industrial
Revolution that has brought you so much improvement in your life, became
the powerhouse of the world? Could it be that the climate there wasn't
conducive to living on vegetables all year round? That the addition of
meat to the diet improved brain power? Why is it that religious cults
put new recruits on a 'cleansing diet' that just happens to be devoid of
meat and makes them mentally more pliable and receptive to the cults
ideas? Have you seen your own posted messages since your veganuary
moment? Do you see any parallels at all?

We have to ensure livestock have their right levels of B12 by feeding
them and implanting them with synthesised stuff *anyway*, why don't we
take it ourselves *anyway* (and most people do of course, vegan or
otherwise as many foodstuff are already fortified to try to deal with
the 40% of the (mostly meat eating) population and who are B12
deficient) cut out all the pain, suffering, animal death,
exploitation, environmental destruction that is *also* harming
millions of other animals (wildlife) AND US!

So you are now advocating that animals be fed on an insufficient diet?
How on earth is that helping them? What strange part of your religion
advocates treating animals badly just because you think that is 'right'?

It's *not* part of a 'natural diet' when the animal has been created
unnaturally, kept unnaturally, fed unnaturally (high protein foods
making them gain meat mass in very short periods so their bones
collapse as they haven't grown as fast) and kill unnaturally (with no
hope of escape or defending itself) and comes full of chemicals that
would never occur in nature and that are making viruses that are
lethal to mankind antibiotic resistant.

You don't eat a natural diet. You want your food to look like, smell
like, cook like, and taste like they very thing you are preaching
against. Why is that? Why do you throw away the opportunity to do these
things differently?

You really haven't thought any of this through, have you?

--
Spike