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On 18/04/2021 19:37, nightjar wrote:
On 18/04/2021 13:44, Tim+ wrote:
nightjar wrote:
On 17/04/2021 21:58, Tim+ wrote:
nightjar wrote:
On 17/04/2021 10:28, Robin wrote:
On 17/04/2021 10:06, nightjar wrote:
On 17/04/2021 08:01, Tim+ wrote:
Chris Hogg wrote:
On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 04:42:47 -0000 (UTC), jon

On Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:58:46 +0100, Broadback wrote:

Lots of post on them but what do they cost

How is the government going to recover all the fuel tax, when
the the
majority of vehicles are electric.

Tax electricity instead.

Unlikely.¬* Too many people bordering on fuel poverty as it is at
and no way of differentiating consumption.¬* More likely an NZ style

I would be surprised if electric vehicles do not have an inbuilt
ability to detect when they are on charge and what rate they are
charging at. If so, the means to measure their electricity use is
already there and just needs to be output.

But involves a challenging job of data and then tax collection;

Not really. It would effectively be a specialised smart meter,
fitted to
the car. Payment could be through your electricity bill.

So youd need international agreement of the type of meter or meters
fitted to UK vehicles?

As I also pointed out, if the tax were collected at the point of sale
when using public charging points, the meter would only be there to
measure the amount of charge taken at home.

Its a daft idea when taxing by mileage is simple to apply

Really? How is it payment going to be collected? How are you going to
know the mileages unless you accurately track every vehicle in the
country? If you do that, how will that be achieved without people
raising privacy concerns?

In NZ we simply paid a mileage surcharge at the end of our hire period.
This wasnt a hire company charge but a government tax.

I dont think continuous monitoring or metering is needed as long¬* as a
tamper-proof mileage logging system is used.

You still have the problems of reading it and charging for the use.

I dont think it would be that hard to institute a similar system here.

Which would amount to fitting a different type of smart meter to the car
- one that reads mileage instead of electricity use.

A charge on mileage does not /need/ any new technology or tracking. GPS
can be offered as just one among other options. It's up and running now
in Oregon.

And - unlike anything involving smart meters built into cars - road
charging can be (a) applied to cars already sold which will be in use
for years to come and (b) updated without a massive recall/refit.

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